Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #49

[purpleandgreen]

So

Agree, and also still waiting for the forensic photo analysis as last proof of life too i believe. Perhaps that will be brought up at the next phase of the CI?

Just as a matter of interest, when do you think William was last ‘alive’ as per proof of life? Remembering that the the ff (and bf) have been cleared.
I really thought we’d all moved on from this, as per mods directions as beginning of this thread. Sillybillys post #4 thread 49.

 

[Karinna]

So

Just as a matter of interest, when do you think William was last ‘alive’ as per proof of life? Remembering that the the ff (and bf) have been cleared.
I really thought we’d all moved on from this, as per mods directions as beginning of this thread. Sillybillys post #4 thread 49.

I have no idea, as this is still an ongoing investigation as William Tyrrell is still missing.
The Coronial Inquest is still delving into this case and has not come to a finding yet. It continues next year.
It has nothing to do with the FF being cleared. The Coroner has deemed it important also to verify WT's last proof of life and the photographic evidence had some issues per BD' s attorney who wants it forensically tested, and the Coroner has agreed.

 

[purpleandgreen]

I have an idea. He was alive, well and happy the morning of his abduction, as stated by the ff and proven by the photos. It’s so sad that some so desperately want the ff to be guilty. They are victims in this. IMO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Rather desperately finding the truth finally, than wanting the FFs to be guilty, I would say. Someone IS the initiator or the abductor, but who fGs and why? And where is sweet little W?

 

[JLZ]

Rather desperately finding the truth finally, than wanting the FFs to be guilty, I would say. Someone IS the initiator or the abductor, but who fGs and why? And where is sweet little W?

Like when you lose something and keep going back to look in the same places though you know it isn't there.

 

[CaptainPeacock]

What she says makes sense. Leave Heatherbrae McDonalds, a few minutes later they would have been just out of Raymond Terrace (which is a town not a street).


The Heatherbrae McDonalds is right on the highway.
The Raymond Terrace McDonalds requires a little detour off the highway.

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Explanation of the interchanging of the names 'Heatherbrae' and 'Raymond Terrace' McDonalds. Most Pacific Highway travellers call the Heatherbrae stop 'Raymond Terrace' even now, although people haven't stopped at Raymond Terrace for more than a decade.

The Heatherbrae McDonalds was established when a roundabout and bypass of the town centre of Raymond Terrace was completed. Lots of people switched to this McDonalds as their preferred stop because you could get through Hexham, which is quite busy, cross the bridge, then make your last stop at Heatherbrae just before launching up the highway. There are no stops where you can buy decent food until Buladelah, unless you want to leave the highway at Karuah.

 

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[mussopossum]

So at this point in time,

Does anyone think (after the information that has come to hand at the inquest and released in MSM)

That LE has someone in their sights with not enough evidence to prosecute?

There has been so many twists and turns, cars and caravans, new names we had never heard of before.

 

[SouthAussie]

So at this point in time,

Does anyone think (after the information that has come to hand at the inquest and released in MSM)

That LE has someone in their sights with not enough evidence to prosecute?

There has been so many twists and turns, cars and caravans, new names we had never heard of before.

I think it is pretty clear that Paul Savage is under heavy scrutiny.
I know that some think that he just may have seen something, but I disagree. The Coroner wants to know who saw him, not the other way round.
I think if we knew what the 1½ hour closed court session and Jubes recordings with him were about, there would be evidence that we have yet to hear - and may never hear, unless the Coroner includes it in her final report, or Jubes writes about it as a hypothetical with perhaps a pseudonym in place of the real name.

I would still like to hear more about Frank Abbott though. His part in this picture is not clear at all. And his known history makes him of great interest, to me.

 

[interested64]

I think it is pretty clear that Paul Savage is under heavy scrutiny.
I know that some think that he just may have seen something, but I disagree. The Coroner wants to know who saw him, not the other way round.
I think if we knew what the 1½ hour closed court session and Jubes recordings with him were about, there would be evidence that we have yet to hear - and may never hear, unless the Coroner includes it in her final report, or Jubes writes about it as a hypothetical with perhaps a pseudonym in place of the real name.

I would still like to hear more about Frank Abbott though. His part in this picture is not clear at all. And his known history makes him of great interest, to me.

i agree fully,i was just thinking of Frank,but mainly the walk to the hospital someone had mentioned,did he walk often and long distance ..also if ps is the person being looked at does the car sighting from rchapman fit in time wise with ps timeline..

 

[mussopossum]

I think it is pretty clear that Paul Savage is under heavy scrutiny.
I know that some think that he just may have seen something, but I disagree. The Coroner wants to know who saw him, not the other way round.
I think if we knew what the 1½ hour closed court session and Jubes recordings with him were about, there would be evidence that we have yet to hear - and may never hear, unless the Coroner includes it in her final report, or Jubes writes about it as a hypothetical with perhaps a pseudonym in place of the real name.

I would still like to hear more about Frank Abbott though. His part in this picture is not clear at all. And his known history makes him of great interest, to me.

I can’t imagine how hard must have been for Jubelin to be taken off this case.

I’d like to know what happened and what was said in closed court with Savage and why it had to be a closed court.

I wonder if closed court was initiated by LE, the Coroner or requested by Savage himself.

 

[Wexford]

I think it is pretty clear that Paul Savage is under heavy scrutiny.
I know that some think that he just may have seen something, but I disagree. The Coroner wants to know who saw him, not the other way round.
I think if we knew what the 1½ hour closed court session and Jubes recordings with him were about, there would be evidence that we have yet to hear - and may never hear, unless the Coroner includes it in her final report, or Jubes writes about it as a hypothetical with perhaps a pseudonym in place of the real name.

I would still like to hear more about Frank Abbott though. His part in this picture is not clear at all. And his known history makes him of great interest, to me.

Interesting with Savage, as you say, the Coroner wanted to know who saw him and when, yet he claims he was with the mysterious Caravan Lyn for about half an hour, and she does not seem to have appeared on the list of witnesses. I would have thought she was an important witness. Of course she could have appeared under a pseudonym. Which makes her even more of a mystery.

 

[mussopossum]

Interesting with Savage, as you say, the Coroner wanted to know who saw him and when, yet he claims he was with the mysterious Caravan Lyn for about half an hour, and she does not seem to have appeared on the list of witnesses. I would have thought she was an important witness. Of course she could have appeared under a pseudonym. Which makes her even more of a mystery.

I am wondering if Lyn had moved on and not contactable so unable to be spoken to by police?

Not sure when Savage first advised of her when he spoke to police, if was some time later maybe she left and there are no known last names or details of her.

Had anyone else mentioned knowing this Lyn person and that they knew who she was?

 

[JLZ]

Interesting with Savage, as you say, the Coroner wanted to know who saw him and when, yet he claims he was with the mysterious Caravan Lyn for about half an hour, and she does not seem to have appeared on the list of witnesses. I would have thought she was an important witness. Of course she could have appeared under a pseudonym. Which makes her even more of a mystery.

But why would PS want to lie about a half-hour early morning? If he was back from his walk about 8:50, and on the phone trying to reach his brother at 9:02, what does it matter exactly where he was for the previous two and a half hours? The kids were inside until 9-ish.

 

[Wexford]

But why would PS want to lie about a half-hour early morning? If he was back from his walk about 8:50, and on the phone trying to reach his brother at 9:02, what does it matter exactly where he was for the previous two and a half hours? The kids were inside until 9-ish.

If the abduction was suspected to be in any way planned I imagine it would be important to establish the whereabouts of any suspect from before the abduction actually occurred.

 

[JLZ]

If the abduction was suspected to be in any way planned I imagine it would be important to establish the whereabouts of any suspect from before the abduction actually occurred.

I get that part; why his whole day is of interest to police. But from his point of view, what would he gain by lying about that earlier time? What can he be supposed to have been doing that he couldn't have done if he'd spent half an hour or so with Lyn? Prepared a grave? Called in to a pedophile to give the tip? That's assuming he saw and recognized FF's car.

 

[SouthAussie]

I get that part; why his whole day is of interest to police. But from his point of view, what would he gain by lying about that earlier time? What can he be supposed to have been doing that he couldn't have done if he'd spent half an hour or so with Lyn? Prepared a grave? Called in to a pedophile to give the tip? That's assuming he saw and recognized FF's car.

I think they were trying to show that he was pretty clear about what he did on his early morning walk, how long it took, who he saw, where he went. But then he gets really murky when explaining what he did during the important times when no-one saw him.

I think Craddock was going a long way to show that Savage was avoiding the truth.

They know things that we don't know about him. I feel a strong sense of that. imo

 

[Freddo Frog]

That LE has someone in their sights with not enough evidence to prosecute?

There has been so many twists and turns, cars and caravans, new names we had never heard of before.

RSBM - I agree with what I have bolded. I am not sure about Savage, though; I am still leaning toward my original theory that it is linked to someone known to the BPs (but not organised by the bios, I think they are innocent, too) and it was some form of 'payback' for something.

 

[Lemony]

Speaking of PS, I think this may be him in some search footage @ approx. 3.10 minutes in. Same black & white shirt.
Video in link https://7news.com.au/original-fyi/c...JYC9Iea7WfytwasMn7SqHBpxcbLMKk50qk5xTouOvILtI

 

[SouthAussie]

Speaking of PS, I think this may be him in some search footage @ approx. 3.10 minutes in. Same black & white shirt.
Video in link https://7news.com.au/original-fyi/c...JYC9Iea7WfytwasMn7SqHBpxcbLMKk50qk5xTouOvILtI

Could be ... walking next to the police officer.



I noticed another guy in a black and white shirt later in the video, too. Likely not Savage. This guy is riding a horse and has a vest over his shirt.



Maybe there were a few black and white flannel shirts out there during the searches.