Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #50

[drsleuth]

'Don't tell anyone love': Secret recordings of William Tyrrell suspect revealed in court

A former person of interest in the William Tyrrell investigation was secretly recorded talking to his dead wife and used the words "don't tell anyone", a Sydney court has heard.

In the final recording which became the subject of one of Mr Jubelin's four charges, he confronted Mr Savage and repeatedly suggested he had mental health issues which "clouded" his version of events.

"This is not the way I usually talk to people in investigations, but I just can't help thinking in a tragic set of circumstances, it can be resolved," Mr Jubelin said in the recording from December 2018.

"Sometimes with mental health if the truth's distorted in your own mind, that's where it becomes problematic."

Mr Jubelin's case has revealed disagreements and tensions within the strikeforce, although the court also heard many senior officers backed his approach.

Detective Beacroft today said she believed Mr Savage was no longer an "active" person of interest, despite there there being nothing which could rule him out.

Mr Jubelin's case was set down for five days, but is likely to be extended into next week.

 

[SLouTh]

From Lia Harris

Det Sgt Beacroft has been excused. Detective Senior Constable Greg Gallyot has taken the stand, but has brought legal representation who is objecting to him giving evidence.
1:57 PM · Feb 6, 2020
@LiaJHarris

 

[SLouTh]

Police made secret recordings of William Tyrrell person of interest Paul Savage speaking to dead wife https://abc.net.au/news/2020-02-06/william-tyrrell-secret-police-recordings-played-in-court/11937624… via
@abcnews



'Don't tell anyone love': Secret recordings of William Tyrrell suspect revealed in court
A Sydney court hears how police planted listening devices in the home of retiree Paul Savage after it was suggested he tried to cover up the accidental death of William Tyrrell and heard the suspect...
abc.net.au
1:46 PM · Feb 6, 2020

@jamie86

 

[Bohemian]

Thanks again, everyone, for posting the tweets and articles from MSM yesterday and today. (I’ve been reading them in bulk so I don’t want to annoy people with lots of ‘like’ notifications.)

 

[Bohemian]

From Lia Harris

Det Sgt Beacroft has been excused. Detective Senior Constable Greg Gallyot has taken the stand, but has brought legal representation who is objecting to him giving evidence.
1:57 PM · Feb 6, 2020
@LiaJHarris

Hostile witness?

 

[SLouTh]

Sorry guys there haven't been any tweets for 45mins.... Don't they know we wait patiently for every word?? ha ha

 

[drsleuth]

Sorry guys there haven't been any tweets for 45mins.... Don't they know we wait patiently for every word?? ha ha

Legal arguments or his evidence is suppressed I'm guessing

 

[deugirtni]

First glance I thought it was a lorikeet or flamingo costume. I do not see a tshirt or white, though.

I'm not sure that their cameras were on the actual spot where the costume had been placed.. from what I'm gathering, the cams were quite a distance away and were focusing on the human walking.. we also saw a pic of Savage walking through and it was very very fuzzy (poor) quality. Who is to say that even a simple kleenex, or a napkin from a takeout place couldn't have blown to a place nearby the suit and *that* might be what Savage saw that day. He said he thought it was a 'cloth'. He didn't say 'he didn't know it was a whole suit' until being questioned apparently years later, about a time after he already knew it was a spiderman costume, which he reported. Must have really played on his mind to have come across that, considering he walked the same path most days, and it apparently hadn't been there before then?

I wonder if the psychologist that Jubelin utilized to gauge the possible reactions of PS's discovery of the suit, was also used to opine on Chapman's non-reporting?

 

[deugirtni]

If this was recorded shortly after Jubelin paid him a visit I could see him muttering to himself out of anger and frustration. I think it is something I would do if I were in the same situation. If he is referring to Jubelin the comment about "you're just a little boy, you're nobody' gives me the impression he is rattled and trying to save face.

I was going to say the same. To Savage, I could see him referring to GJ as a little boy, because of their age difference and the way PS was undoubtedly feeling about Jubelin at the time?

And for all we know, Savage knows someone in 'Gordon'. Perhaps someone who caused him grief at some point and moved there later. It seems really grasping at straws to me to believe that PS was muttering to himself about FGM's or the FP's home when they didn't even live there, just because it was a transportation transfer point. It's definitely worth a note being made, but to actually think these things are definitely related to this case seems to me to be trying to make a square peg fit into the round hole. imo.

 

[Freddo Frog]

Let’s say for example that was someone else anyone else but savage who just so happen to stumble across the Spider-Man suit, in the scrub, not far from where William was last seen, I think the overall reaction to such a find would be that of OMG it’s him.. it’s William.. you would be out of there and on your phone to the police in a split second.. you wouldn’t be standing there scratching your head and looking at it for a while.. I know I certainly wouldn’t be as that would scare the pants off me

That is my thinking, too. It is not like it was not in the news, and that news was across the road from your house.

 

[JLZ]

I'm not sure that their cameras were on the actual spot where the costume had been place.. from what I'm gathering, the cams were quite a distance away and were focusing on the human walking.. we also saw a pic of Savage walking through and it was very very fuzzy (poor) quality. Who is to say that even a simple kleenex, or a napkin from a takeout place couldn't have blown to a place nearby the suit and *that* might be what Savage saw that day. He said he thought it was a 'cloth'. He didn't say 'he didn't know it was a whole suit' until being questioned apparently years later, about a time after he already knew it was a spiderman costume, which he reported. Must have really played on his mind to have come across that, considering he walked the same path most days, and it apparently hadn't been there before then?

I wonder if the psychologist that Jubelin utilized to gauge the possible reactions of PS's discovery of the suit, was also used to opine on Chapman's non-reporting?

I'm not buying that at the moment. He saw something within metres of the place (on a long walking route) that made him first stop and look, and then go back the next day to see what else was there. You're proposing that what he first saw had nothing to do with the suit? A coincidence? (It crossed my mind, when I thought what he'd said was "white top", that he was having a jab at the investigation, implying that what made him stop was that he'd spotted Jubelin or another watching. Jubelin wears white shirts.)

Not following you about what the psychologist said about Chapman. Spell that out?

 

[Freddo Frog]

'You told me to plead guilty' over Tyrrell
The May 3 recording, made on Jubelin's phone and played to Downing Centre Local Court on Thursday, was not covered by a surveillance device warrant active at the time, the Crown alleges.

The recording captures Jubelin and Mr Savage accusing each other of being untruthful at times during the investigation.

"You're the one who started pushing me away, I've had you go through my house ... you just want to put s*** on me," Mr Savage said.

"You told me to plead guilty."

Jubelin denies ever telling Mr Savage to plead guilty

"Paul, you seriously need some (mental health) help," he says.

Mr Savage told Jubelin he'd been speaking to a solicitor and had been instructed not to allow police onto his property without a warrant.

The May 3 recording, made on Jubelin's phone and played to Downing Centre Local Court on Thursday, was not covered by a surveillance device warrant active at the time, the Crown alleges.

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RSBM RBBM - This sounds like PS knew Jubelin did not have a warrant for some of the visits. IMO.

 

[Freddo Frog]

Lia Harris
@LiaJHarris

On those recordings, the court heard Savage would talk to himself about the interviews with Jubelin, claiming he’d been denied a drink and made to stay in a cold room. He also used “a lot of bad language” to describe Jubelin.

A pre/menopausal woman's dream room

 

[Freddo Frog]

I'm kinda lost for words about the proceedings today... I'm not sure where this is going - for both Jubes & PS. What if PS is innocent? Beacroft's comments about him not being such a major POI these days is doing my head in... even if he is a bit of a nut - he might be innocent??

I am wavering, too. I would love to know the reasons why the prosecution wanted certain recordings suppressed, though. So far there is nothing in there to indicate to me that Jubelin has breached any kind of security or intelligence. It all seems pretty standard stuff IMO.

 

[Freddo Frog]

. Server issues again. Sorry.

 

[they'll get you]

There was mention that a psychologist was consulted about the placement of the suit; I would love to know what their thoughts on that were and what it was meant to achieve, and did it receive the desired outcome?

If someone had buried a child in that suit then curiosity might take them to the burial site to check if it had been dug up. That could lead the cops to William and decide the murderer.
The response of seeing that suit laying there would be so different from an innocent person to a guilty person.

Example, any one of us finding that suit would not touch it but immediately call the cops, right there, right then. Yes?
I think I know the answer to that.

 

[drsleuth]

If someone had buried a child in that suit then curiosity might take them to the burial site to check if it had been dug up. That could lead the cops to William and decide the murderer.
The response of seeing that suit laying there would be so different from an innocent person to a guilty person.

Example, any one of us finding that suit would not touch it but immediately call the cops, right there, right then. Yes?
I think I know the answer to that.

i wouldn't be able to dial the #'s quick enough tgy!!

 

[they'll get you]

Savage walked the track every day. IMO the planted spiderman suit gives the appearance it has been there for longer than a day. If Savage saw it and thought to himself 'hmm that wasn't there yesterday' it may have raised his suspicions and caused him to take a day to think about how he should respond.

You’re right there Blues.

1) you’d question yourself ‘why didn’t I see that yesterday’
2) you’d question your sanity
3) I smell a rat
4) run screaming naked through the bush with your arms in the air.

 

[they'll get you]

i wouldn't be able to dial the #'s quick enough tgy!!

I’d be so flummoxed I’d ring 911

 

[drsleuth]

I’d be so flummoxed I’d ring 911

You'd be OK tgy , think it's diverted to 000 if called from Aus