Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #50

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Tweet from an hour ago by Jamie McKinnell @jamie86:

Magistrate Hudson says he can't be of the view police have established an order is necessary re non-pub/suppression of their "covert strategy".
 
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Tweet from an hour ago by Jamie McKinnell @jamie86 in reply to a question (see below*):

No orders made yet and we've broken for lunch but it was looking that way.

*@K_Sheldrick: Wait so just numbers on the register will likely be suppressed but not the specific strategy of police investigation? Wow, that's the exact opposite of what I expected.
 
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Lia Harris
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2mGary Jubelin’s criminal hearing has (finally) started after the Magistrate ruled on the non-publication orders. He allowed some of the orders, but rejected others. The Crown is now giving an opening address.
 
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Gary Jubelin’s hearing has heard police investigating William Tyrrell’s disappearance got a warrant to intercept neighbour Paul Savage’s mobile and landline phones in 2017 as well as a surveillance device warrant for his house.
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The court heard Jubelin visited Savage’s house in October 2017, which was recorded by the covert device placed in his house. That is expected to be played in court this week.
 
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31sThe Crown submits Gary Jubelin illegally recorded four conversations with Paul Savage, including three conversations in person he recorded on his mobile phone at Savage’s home in Kendall.
 
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10sThe court heard a witness, who is a former colleague, will allege Gary Jubelin asked him to pass off two of the recording transcripts as conversations recorded by the surveillance device installed in Savage’s house, not on his mobile phone.
 
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10sThe court heard a witness, who is a former colleague, will allege Gary Jubelin asked him to pass off two of the recording transcripts as conversations recorded by the surveillance device installed in Savage’s house, not on his mobile phone.
Is that ALL they have on him?
 
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10sThe court heard a witness, who is a former colleague, will allege Gary Jubelin asked him to pass off two of the recording transcripts as conversations recorded by the surveillance device installed in Savage’s house, not on his mobile phone.

Thanks guys for posting everything today ! Great work!!!
So this might be where the allegations originated from??? An internal report????
 
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WS is verrrry slow for me this arvo, sorry if there is a delay in Tweets.
 
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29sDetective Laura Beacroft is now in the witness box at Jubelin’s hearing. She’s testified extensively at the inquest into William Tyrrell’s disppearance and is now giving evidence about the covert operations they used in relation to Savage during the investigation.
 
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Did we ever clarify if the recordings were deemed illegal, they could not be used in court? I don't think that would apply in the inquest but in court. If it is the case it creates a whole lot of other questions in my mind. Also this only accounts for 2 of the 4 alleged illegal recordings. Surely there must be more substance in the other 2?
 
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WS is verrrry slow for me this arvo, sorry if there is a delay in Tweets.
me too ... so thanks for posting as I thought it might just be here ..,,
 
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Did we ever clarify if the recordings were deemed illegal, they could not be used in court? I don't think that would apply in the inquest but in court. If it is the case it creates a whole lot of other questions in my mind. Also this only accounts for 2 of the 4 alleged illegal recordings. Surely there must be more substance in the other 2?

There hasn't been a court case to decide that as yet, it will be up to the Judge if anyone is ever brought to Justice. If they are required that is.

ETA: Doesn't look like they would need them anyway, they would have the same recordings from the surveillance in his home and on his phones. IMO
 
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There hasn't been a court case to decide that as yet, it will be up to the Judge if anyone is ever brought to Justice. If they are required that is.
So it doesn't automatically rule them out then? That's a relief.
 
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Mr Jubelin, 57, who is one of Australia’s best known homicide detectives, has been accused of misconduct in his handling of the investigation into the disappearance of a three-year-old foster child, William Tyrrell.

Senior police believe he may have been abducted by a paedophile, or a paedophile ring.

Police now say the case against Mr Jubelin, who led the investigation for four years, must be heard in secret, lest it derail the work being done to find William.

NSW Police still believe that William can be found, or else that the perpetrator can be brought to justice.

Counsel for the Commissioner, Rod Bhalla, agreed in court that his application for total secrecy was “deeply unfortunate.”

“It is not a happy state of affairs, but we are where we are,” Mr Bhalla said.

“The commissioner doesn’t take lightly on the principle of open justice. It is an important principle. But it is necessary (to close the court) in this case.”

The court was told that the public may well be “outraged” by the level of child sex activity in the community, but this was no reason to suppress the statistics.

Gary Jubelin trial: Public would be ‘outraged’ to know how many sex offenders in the community
NoCookies | The Australian
 
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The court is now being shown a video recorded police interview with neighbour Paul Savage in 2017, featuring Gary Jubelin and Laura Beacroft.
 
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There has to be something. Or this is not much of a case. He claims he has a 'lawful right and an operational need' and is trying to prove that in court. Surely everything is resting on there being something significant in those tapes to prove why it was necessary to record PS?

I wasn't very clear - but I'm not sure the content of the tapes is what is important in these particular findings (although they could be significant) but rather what his 'operational need' was - to determine whether they were legal or not. not sure whether that makes sense... for example - if he thought PS was losing his memory - that would be an operational need in order for evidence not to be lost, even if these tapes were fairly benign. I wish we knew what was on them...
 
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10sThe court heard a witness, who is a former colleague, will allege Gary Jubelin asked him to pass off two of the recording transcripts as conversations recorded by the surveillance device installed in Savage’s house, not on his mobile phone.

Ouch... that doesn't sound good for Jubes. Maybe the conversation could be better heard on his mobile recording than on the covert listening device?
 
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I wasn't very clear - but I'm not sure the content of the tapes is what is important in these particular findings (although they could be significant) but rather what his 'operational need' was - to determine whether they were legal or not. not sure whether that makes sense... for example - if he thought PS was losing his memory - that would be an operational need in order for evidence not to be lost, even if these tapes were fairly benign. I wish we knew what was on them...
It would also be good to know if Savage is “incriminating” himself ??? Or is he actually talking about someone else in the community ??? Like is he the one person that saw something ???
Who knows???
I guess we are not going to find out at this stage .... but I think we all want to know !
 
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