Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #50

[Chrissy74]

The media reported in the early days after the disappearance, that the FM had gone in to make a cup of tea when William went missing. So who did they get that story from?

Yes however Savage had never mentioned anything about this supposed chart with fgm only moments after William vanished.. no mention in any statement police interview or testimony by Savage until last August inquest when he states for the very first time that the fgm told him Williams fm went inside to make a tea n William went missing.. now I know this information was plastered all over social media newspaper etc but so were a couple of other scenarios regarding where ff were at that specific time so why did savage decide to bring up that one in particular esp when he had not mentioned it before

 

[Chrissy74]

Maybe in the past when (and IF) PS and Williams FF were on better terms conversation may have been had as to where the FGM goes to visit when she visits William. Just a possibility,

Serial stalker.. is that the point that’s being made????

 

[SLouTh]

The tweets from Lia Harris state the recording devices were planted inside Mr Savage's home before Jubelin even met him …. and the tweets also say he was heard talking to himself then..... and seriously a lot of people talk to themselves … and it could just be about a random thought...at any random time.....

There were no dates or times given to these "phrases" of talking out loud to himself so how can anyone pin point them to any thing directly??? I think it could be a case of trying to make them "fit"....??? IMO

The court heard Savage was already the subject of listening devices placed in his home by investigators before Jubelin had even met him. Det Sgt Beacroft said the recordings showed “he would talk a lot to himself”.
1:16 PM · Feb 6, 2020 from Sydney, New South Wales·Twitter for iPhone

And lets not forget that Cunneen is building her defence for Jubelin....

 

[SLouTh]

Serial stalker

This is a fairly serious accusation to make about someone.... Do you have any evidence you can link to support this?

 

[katydid23]

Apparently the postie was due to visit FGM two days before this happened. It doesn't say whether or not she did, nor whether or not PS knew about it, as far as I can see from the article?

If an old 70 year old nosey neighbour was laying in hiding, my guess is he wouldn't have been able to get up too swiftly, let alone catch up with a running 3 year old who was reportedly full of beans that morning.. and even if and when he did, what would he do then? Grab him, and carry him under his arm with his hand over his mouth to his own home where his wife was trying to set off to bingo? (According to what we've been told, HS left at 10:38, but FD got home at 10:35 and by then he had already disappeared. So seems HS left after W had already been taken, and surely not by her own husband. Where would he have taken him and have no evidence for the K9s to show for it?)

edits: correct typos

I do remember when Jubelin made a big deal about the drained pool with the tin sheet metal on top of it. Could he have stashed a small boy in there until wifey left for Bingo?

 

[Chrissy74]

Or it could be the rantings of a seriously delusional schizophrenic.. one person 2 sides.. jeckle n Hyde... let’s not forgot his comment about watching William with his ff and noticed how attached he was to him.. I know these are all pretty normal time things to say but was he ever just observing from a distance or was he actually studying everything every move.. and of course his comments about the smell of a body... wt

 

[Chrissy74]

This is a fairly serious accusation to make about someone.... Do you have any evidence you can link to support this?

Well yes first and foremost the avo placed on him by the local postie with a list of stalking behaviour suggested.. the fgm asking Heather savage to tell her husband to stop coming over .. that in itself speaks volumes because fgm could have told savage directly but she chose to go through his wife to get that message across.. his every day morning visits to caravan lady.. a married man doing that most mornings??? Not trying to step on anyone’s toes or offend or accuse.. simply crewting a profile with the information we’ve been given..

 

[Chrissy74]

This is a fairly serious accusation to make about someone.... Do you have any evidence you can link to support this?

Also slouth it wasn’t an accusation it was simply a comment

 

[sleepinoz]

Maybe in the past when (and IF) PS and Williams FF were on better terms conversation may have been had as to where the FGM goes to visit when she visits William. Just a possibility,

I'm thinking along the same lines as you here. If FG and Heather were friends, and it sounds like they were, FG could easily have said in a conversation that she was catching the train to Gordon to visit the children. Heather then could have brought it up in conversation with PS. IMO

 

[sleepinoz]

Police made secret recordings of William Tyrrell person of interest Paul Savage speaking to dead wife

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IF PS in fact said this, what opinions do members have on what this could be related to?

PS could well be talking about William, most think he is speaking of GJ and it's possible. When you add the next statement about going to property in Gordon, I have to say it's not about Jubelin.

 

[Karinna]

PS could well be talking about William, most think he is speaking of GJ and it's possible. When you add the next statement about going to property in Gordon, I have to say it's not about Jubelin.

Why didn't the police or whoever simply ask PS to clarify exactly what or whom he was talking about, then it wouldn't even be an issue, duh! No logic whatsoever just smoke & mirrors all the time with this nonsense, IMO.

 

[sleepinoz]

Why didn't the police or whoever simply ask PS to clarify exactly what or whom he was talking about, then it wouldn't even be an issue, duh! No logic whatsoever just smoke & mirrors all the time with this nonsense, IMO.

Because it was a secret surveillance at the time, but he probably was asked or will be at the inquest.

We have to remember that things coming out in this trial about Jubelin, are not about William, this should all be covered at the Inquest when it resumes.

All we can do now is discuss our thoughts.

 

[mussopossum]

I'm thinking along the same lines as you here. If FG and Heather were friends, and it sounds like they were, FG could easily have said in a conversation that she was catching the train to Gordon to visit the children. Heather then could have brought it up in conversation with PS. IMO

Absolutely, I am sure friendships would have been there at some point. Especially at any street xmas parties and get-togethers general chit chat. The info may have even come from another neighbour and not directly from the FF IMO.

 

[JLZ]

I'm thinking along the same lines as you here. If FG and Heather were friends, and it sounds like they were, FG could easily have said in a conversation that she was catching the train to Gordon to visit the children. Heather then could have brought it up in conversation with PS. IMO

Similarly, I thought PS might have asked FGM where the children lived and FGM finding all this invasive said she took the train to Gordon.

 

[mussopossum]

I do remember when Jubelin made a big deal about the drained pool with the tin sheet metal on top of it. Could he have stashed a small boy in there until wifey left for Bingo?

Yes I remember this too, It would be a pretty daring thing to do knowing that police dogs would likely be on the trail in a matter time sniffing around.

 

[Karinna]

Because it was a secret surveillance at the time, but he probably was asked or will be at the inquest.

We have to remember that things coming out in this trial about Jubelin, are not about William, this should all be covered at the Inquest when it resumes.

All we can do now is discuss our thoughts.

PS became aware through his lawyer perhaps? there was secret surveillance going on though, from what i have read? And he has already given testimony at the C.I. Is he being recalled again?
I wasn't aware that he has to do that again?
And if it's an ongoing investigation as it is, and they think PS is the culprit, why haven't they arrested him yet?
I wonder what the other investigators working this case think really happened to WT at this present stage? And from what Beacroft said i don't think PS is much of a POI anyway, IMO.

 

[sleepinoz]

PS became aware through his lawyer perhaps? there was secret surveillance going on though, from what i have read? And he has already given testimony at the C.I. Is he being recalled again?
I wasn't aware that he has to do that again?
And if it's an ongoing investigation as it is, and they think PS is the culprit, why haven't they arrested him yet?
I wonder what the other investigators working this case think really happened to WT at this present stage? And from what Beacroft said i don't think PS is much of a POI anyway, IMO.

I can't remember if he is to be recalled or not, maybe look back and check. I also can't remember if some of his testimony was in closed court. Anyone?

 

[drsleuth]

I can't remember if he is to be recalled or not, maybe look back and check. I also can't remember if some of his testimony was in closed court. Anyone?

There was closed court for some of PS's testimony Sleep.........

The coroner can re-call any witness at any time also.

 

[mussopossum]

PS became aware through his lawyer perhaps? there was secret surveillance going on though, from what i have read? And he has already given testimony at the C.I. Is he being recalled again?
I wasn't aware that he has to do that again?
And if it's an ongoing investigation as it is, and they think PS is the culprit, why haven't they arrested him yet?
I wonder what the other investigators working this case think really happened to WT at this present stage? And from what Beacroft said i don't think PS is much of a POI anyway, IMO.

After the public airing of BS, PS and others considered POI in this case IMO I dont think any of them have any idea what happened.

We have gone from them pushing that BS might have taken him and dragging him through the mud to PS or HS might have run over him and concealed the crime. Two complete extremes.

I honestly don't think they have a clue IMO which is just so sad for little William and all of his family

 

[KateM]

Or it could be the rantings of a seriously delusional schizophrenic.. one person 2 sides.. jeckle n Hyde... let’s not forgot his comment about watching William with his ff and noticed how attached he was to him.. I know these are all pretty normal time things to say but was he ever just observing from a distance or was he actually studying everything every move.. and of course his comments about the smell of a body... wt

I must admit I did find that a bit odd.