Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #51

[Karinna]

Can I just push back at the idea that seems to be drifting around that if a person has a mental illness there's no knowing what he'll do and he's capable of anything. Many people have mental illnesses which they manage responsibly and are absolutely not a risk to others.

Unless they haven't yet been diagnosed or go off their meds.

 

[Karinna]

It wasn't the magistrate, it was the prosecutor, the side opposing Jubelin. See earlier post upthread a bit.

Thanks, i seen it was fact checked.

 

[bearbear]

Former William Tyrrell investigator's explosive claims

 

[drsleuth]

Can I just push back at the idea that seems to be drifting around that if a person has a mental illness there's no knowing what he'll do and he's capable of anything. Many people have mental illnesses which they manage responsibly and are absolutely not a risk to others.

Exactly JLZ So much for trying to lift the stigma associated with mental Health

Anyone here have actual qualifications in Mental Health???

 

[stormyseas]

Unless they haven't yet been diagnosed or go off their meds.

Again that is untrue. A person can have an undiagnosed mental illness or cease medication and still not be a danger to anyone. IMO

 

[stormyseas]

Exactly JLZ So much for trying to lift the stigma associated with mental Health

Anyone here have actual qualifications in Mental Health???

Yes

 

[Thebottomline]

Exactly JLZ So much for trying to lift the stigma associated with mental Health

Anyone here have actual qualifications in Mental Health???

Again that is untrue. A person can have an undiagnosed mental illness or cease medication and still not be a danger to anyone. IMO

Possibly more a danger them to themselves than anyone else IMO
Sorry Dr sleuth comment was accidentally added to this . Gremlins

 

[bearbear]

i think most of the human race have mental illness in some way or other, depression and anxiety are very common

 

[Shadow@light]

Sorry I stuffed up in the quote, not techno savey, been up looking after child unwell, when writing quote and reply, sick special needs child decided to play by jumping on you, after picking my heart off the ceilling and recovering try to correct the wrong keys I pressed cannot fix it....grrrrr.

It was regarding the FF running up hill looking for William even though he thought William would not be able to do it because of his condition.
FF did, IMO ,the right thing ,never underestimate what any child can do. Even those FF had looked down uphill it was best to check up hill just in case.
My child with Special Needs, his Grandmother brought lollies at Christmas( while myself and Understanding Partner attended a Christmas Party), place on the highest shelf in pantry thinking child could not reach it...... ( even though I asked her not too I was unsure due to child's age and need could reach the shelf I was not going to take the risk).
We came through the door at 2am to find our child building an unsafe construction and almost reached the top shelf.
My Grandparents would tell us, to remember what we did as children even the "Cute Situations "they called it, then never underestimate children and try to stay one step ahead on them.

 

[Karinna]

Again that is untrue. A person can have an undiagnosed mental illness or cease medication and still not be a danger to anyone. IMO

That depends on their condition though. I have worked in Mental Health in my nursing days and we did get some very violent ones in our early treatment unit.

 

[katydid23]

I am not quite sure what Rut roh means.

That's what Scooby Doo, the crime fighting canine says when he gets a clue in a case....

 

[Karinna]

i think most of the human race have mental illness in some way or other, depression and anxiety are very common

True.

 

[Karinna]

That's what Scooby Doo, the crime fighting canine says when he gets a clue in a case....

ruh-roh. Interjection. (humorous) Alternative form of uh-oh.

 

[stormyseas]

That depends on their condition though. I have worked in Mental Health in my nursing days and we did get some very violent ones in our early treatment unit.

You made a blanket statement that implied anyone who was undiagnosed or ceased medication was a danger. IMO

 

[bearbear]

Former William Tyrrell detective tells court senior officer told him 'no one cares' about missing boy
'Get him off the books': Former detective makes shock William Tyrrell claim in court

 

[Karinna]

You made a blanket statement that implied anyone who was undiagnosed or ceased medication was a danger. IMO

Did i?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

The post you responded to was a response to you introducing the idea of a psychotic episode. It feels like this is getting way off track. Perhaps we could just focus on what we assume to be true

Yes, back to facts, PS stalked and harassed women and had to be told to stop by 2 that we know of, one applied for an AVO.

I completely agree with you. The cop body cams protect everyone, both themselves and the other person/people they're recording. Goes both ways and I'm happy to see them wearing them as well.

The thing is, IF Jubelin had illegally recorded a person who ended up admitting during said recording, to killing W or taking him or some horrible thing, the fact GJ recorded him outside the boundaries of the law could easily completely screw up the criminal case against said person, and thereby risk the entire case, allowing that person to go free.

An experienced defence lawyer would fight tooth and nail to have that removed from evidence and if that was the only time the person admitted it and there was not much else to hang him on, we likely wouldn't even be allowed to hear about it, let alone ever see a conviction. And GJ is certainly experienced enough to know very well how things work. Again, the laws and requirement to obtain warrants when police want to bug and record people are there to protect both sides, not just the suspect from having his privacy invaded. All GJ needed to do was to renew his warrant and include his cellphone as one of the included devices, stating the reason of bad reception otherwise. Seems simple enough.

It almost seems like PS is on trial here without his presence or ability to defend himself, rather than getting to the main point that a very experienced cop put the entire case at risk. imo.

The recording might be inadmissible in court but if the suspect led police to where the child is, alive or dead, the mission is accomplished. We have to remember that was GJ first thought and priority. GJ wasn't using the recordings for some perverted and ghoulish reasons, he acted, he thought, under operational standards, we'll see if the court agrees.

Re PS: GJ found PS to be untruthful and irritable, he decided the conversations needed to be recorded for reasons he stated. PS is not on trial but I'll challenge anyone who minimises stalking and harassment with a long laundry list of excuses. IIRC, I read earlier posts from yourself implying the postie was exaggerating or lying. She had a job to do and PS won't take no for an answer.

 

[Karinna]

Former William Tyrrell detective tells court senior officer told him 'no one cares' about missing boy
'Get him off the books': Former detective makes shock William Tyrrell claim in court

Wonder why he would say that? Did he know something the rest of us don't?

 

[Shadow@light]

That's what Scooby Doo, the crime fighting canine says when he gets a clue in a case....

So True. I loved Scooby Doo and gang, always hoped Shaggy and Velma would date.

But one thing I learned about Scooby Doo. Monsters were no such things as Monsters
But Humans were the Monsters.

 

[katydid23]

Is the son a POI?

No, but the father seems to be the prime one. And I wondered if the father might be covering for someone.