Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #51

[mussopossum]

Exactly JLZ So much for trying to lift the stigma associated with mental Health

Anyone here have actual qualifications in Mental Health???

@Aron.Wor

@CKTC

 

[drsleuth]

This all seems wrong to me. Should a Police Commissioner be giving a statement about evidence being considered in a current ongoing trial?

Isn't that Subjudice or similar?

Oh Sleep , I saw the way they work at the siege inquest , these tops cops ( Scipione, Burns, Loy, Fuller, Jenkins, Murdoch etc ( & I thought Fuller was was the best of a bad bunch ) ...................Jubes has more moral fibres than these whole lot put together

They " top cops at the very top " were basically dragged to court kicking & screaming the whole way ( read that as weeks & months of trying to get out of it by every legal argument known to man ) but the families of Tori & Katrina were getting them on the stand to explain their actions ( or in actions ) & they did

I'll never forget the way they "acted" the tactics they used , the buck passing, the blaming..................

And I can completly understand Jube's issue with the LD's..............the ones they put in at Lindt were useless.........

What a circus it was when they were all in court, I've never seen so many high ranking police officers fill a court room to " support " the top cops

 

[katydid23]

So why quit then? He quit, so he cant help solve it now,.and sounds like he knows or is now saying, the commissioner didnt care..so sad.
Who is looking for William now?
All my opinion only

Wasn't he about to be fired? I think they gave him the heads up that he was facing dismissal, and so quitting was the best way to go for him. JMO

It would look better on his record, for future job searches, if he had quit as opposed to being ousted.

 

[Thebottomline]

Wasn't he about to be fired? I think they gave him the heads up that he was facing dismissal, and so quitting was the best way to go for him. JMO

It would look better on his record, for future job searches, if he had quit as opposed to being ousted.

I think his case is so public that this wouldn’t be the case ! Can’t see him having to search for a job. Hope he goes into private practice and continues his great work. Or just enjoys retirement .

 

[sosocurious]

Wasn't he about to be fired? I think they gave him the heads up that he was facing dismissal, and so quitting was the best way to go for him. JMO

It would look better on his record, for future job searches, if he had quit as opposed to being ousted.

He spent four months on desk duty — literally sitting at his desk, drinking green tea, and listening to whale song — while the police conducted an internal investigation into his conduct. He’d have to have been blind to fail to see the writing on the wall..............................................

Jubelin had already been accused, by some fellow detectives, of a terrific case of tunnel vision: chasing dead leads to the point of exhaustion while others went unexplored.

He disputes that.

He says he always kept an open mind. But he also knew in his heart that those who had succeeded in removing him as head of the investigation would never let him near the case again..............................................................................

A rock and a hard case for Gary Jubelin
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/a-rock-and-a-hard-case-for-gary-jubelin/news-story/2763282e3d1b404d07066af4574509a7

 

[mussopossum]

I think his case is so public that this wouldn’t be the case ! Can’t see him having to search for a job. Hope he goes into private practice and continues his great work. Or just enjoys retirement .

I am happy to hire him as my personal assistant - to assist me in all things Jubelin....

Sorry poor joke

 

[SLouTh]

Wasn't he about to be fired? I think they gave him the heads up that he was facing dismissal, and so quitting was the best way to go for him. JMO

It would look better on his record, for future job searches, if he had quit as opposed to being ousted.

Yes I think that is correct....
As, in addition to these charges, there would have been "internal Police charges" if he had stayed …. (maybe an ex police person could better explain this.....) and those charges are considered to be worse if you are an active serving officer ...
JMO

 

[Thebottomline]

He spent four months on desk duty — literally sitting at his desk, drinking green tea, and listening to whale song — while the police conducted an internal investigation into his conduct. He’d have to have been blind to fail to see the writing on the wall..............................................

Jubelin had already been accused, by some fellow detectives, of a terrific case of tunnel vision: chasing dead leads to the point of exhaustion while others went unexplored.

He disputes that.

He says he always kept an open mind. But he also knew in his heart that those who had succeeded in removing him as head of the investigation would never let him near the case again..............................................................................

A rock and a hard case for Gary Jubelin
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/a-rock-and-a-hard-case-for-gary-jubelin/news-story/2763282e3d1b404d07066af4574509a7

What a waste having him do that.

 

[sleepinoz]

More damage control????

The rest of the Fullers statement … only first paragraph was tweeted....

This afternoon NSW Police Commissioner Mick Fuller released a statement about the allegations.
"I have full confidence in the professionalism of Assistant Commissioner Scott Cook, who has more than 31 years of exemplary service with the NSW Police Force, which includes receiving the Australian Police Medal in 2019.
"Much of Assistant Commissioner Cook's career has been in criminal investigation with a specialty focus on serious and organised crime.
"He was promoted to the rank of Superintendent in 2010 and took the role of Asian Crime Squad Commander, before being appointed as the first Organised Crime Squad Commander in 2015.
"Assistant Commissioner Cook held the role of Homicide Squad Commander from 2018, during which he exemplified the definition of a leader and reimagined the review process for unsolved cases to improve communication with the families of victims and deliver answers and justice in more cases.
"In December 2019, he was promoted to the rank of Assistant Commissioner as the Police Prosecutions and Licensing Enforcement Commander."

Former William Tyrrell investigator's explosive claims

BBM - Interesting position to have in these circumstances.

 

[sosocurious]

15 May 2018

'Like a dog on a bone': Why NSW Police are re-opening up to 500 cold cases

All homicide cold cases will be reviewed every six months, in part to take advantage of improvements in technology, including DNA matching, fingerprint recognition, electronic archives searching, and video restoration.

Murders that go unsolved currently end up at the Unsolved Homicide Unit, which was set up in 2004 and has seen 30 people convicted.

Det. Sup. Cook said getting detectives outside of this unit to look at the cases could lead to breakthroughs.

"The unsolved case process is slow," he said.

"It takes a long time to investigate these matters.

"We can only do so many per year but there's more coming in per year."

"I can tell you the detectives who work on these types of jobs are like a dog on a bone they don't want to let go of these matters," he said.

"All I can say to those murderers is maybe you want to have a think about turning yourself in because we’re not stopping."

 

[sleepinoz]

Yes I think that is correct....
As, in addition to these charges, there would have been "internal Police charges" if he had stayed …. (maybe an ex police person could better explain this.....) and those charges are considered to be worse if you are an active serving officer ...
JMO

I disagree, there is no way in knowing if he was to be fired. He was sidelined while the investigation was conducted.

They took so long while he was sitting at a desk doing nothing, he retired due to frustration. It took him retiring for them to bring the charges forward, almost immediately IMO.

 

[sosocurious]

I disagree, there is no way in knowing if he was to be fired. He was sidelined while the investigation was conducted.

They took so long while he was sitting at a desk doing nothing, he retired due to frustration. It took him retiring for them to bring the charges forward, almost immediately IMO.

He was sat outside the headmasters office.
That was?

 

[katydid23]

I disagree, there is no way in knowing if he was to be fired. He was sidelined while the investigation was conducted.

They took so long while he was sitting at a desk doing nothing, he retired due to frustration. It took him retiring for them to bring the charges forward, almost immediately IMO.

But how long could he expect to be kept on the payroll if he was sidelined and doing nothing?

They probably charged him immediately too cover their own butts. Once he quit, he might start talking and they didn't want that either. JMO

 

[drsleuth]

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

Mr Cook exemplified the definition of a leader at the Homicide Squad, Mr Fuller added, and changed the cold case review process “to improve communication with the families of victims and deliver answers and justice in more cases”

BBM : Mr Cook exemplified the definition of a leader at the Homicide Squad

Yep just what a LEADER should say

Jubelin said that after Mr Cook took over as the commander in 2017 he approached his desk and pointed to a photo of William. “Mr Cook pointed at the picture and said ‘no one cares about that little kid, get him off the books and get him to unsolved homicide’,” Jubelin told the court.


BBM : to improve communication with the families of victims and deliver answers and justice
How's that going Fuller??? Think the families of WT might disagree IMO

 

[Thebottomline]

Just found all the underbelly series on Stan, watched the first one but not the others. Which one depicts what case GJ was involved in ?

 

[sosocurious]

But how long could he expect to be kept on the payroll if he was sidelined and doing nothing?

They probably charged him immediately too cover their own butts. Once he quit, he might start talking and they didn't want that either. JMO

I fink that his frustration was. Please headmasters don't make me sit here shut up and not do the job that I am being paid to do. imo

 

[drsleuth]

Just found all the underbelly series on Stan, watched the first one but not the others. Which one depicts what case GJ was involved in ?

Underbelly Badness

 

[sosocurious]

DBM

 

[Thebottomline]

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

Mr Cook exemplified the definition of a leader at the Homicide Squad, Mr Fuller added, and changed the cold case review process “to improve communication with the families of victims and deliver answers and justice in more cases”

BBM : Mr Cook exemplified the definition of a leader at the Homicide Squad

Yep just what a LEADER should say

Jubelin said that after Mr Cook took over as the commander in 2017 he approached his desk and pointed to a photo of William. “Mr Cook pointed at the picture and said ‘no one cares about that little kid, get him off the books and get him to unsolved homicide’,” Jubelin told the court.


BBM : to improve communication with the families of victims and deliver answers and justice
How's that going Fuller??? Think the families of WT might disagree IMO

It’s terrible, sadly I bet it will go nowhere. I feel so sad for Williams family. I can’t imagine hearing those horrid words about your important loved little boy. This is just awful.

 

[Thebottomline]

Underbelly Badness

Thanks doc, is a character based on him ?