Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #51

[purpleandgreen]

If there is no corroborating evidence how can such testimony be accepted in Court? That is what I do not understand. And I really don't understand what the relevance is to the Trial of allegations.

Jubelin has testified under oath.

 

[Thebottomline]

Jubelin has testified under oath.

With his nice tie that was relevant to the bowraville case. Good lord, the man is doomed .

 

[intriguedinterest]

Nope not at all

If there is no corroborating evidence how can such testimony be accepted in Court? That is what I do not understand. And I really don't understand what the relevance is to the Trial of allegations.

Jubelin has testified under oath.

How can someone testify in Court about what is supposedly said in a conversation between two people, when the testimony is given by one of those persons, with not corroborating evidence?

 

[Thebottomline]

If there is no corroborating evidence how can such testimony be accepted in Court? That is what I do not understand. And I really don't understand what the relevance is to the Trial of allegations.

Not sure why you are asking anyone here. Maybe email the court

 

[musicaljoke]

How do we know the exact words that were said and how those exact words were actually said? Was there a transcript of the discussion taken from some recording, of the discussion between Jubelin and Scott? I think not otherwise it would have been used in Court.

Another thing I find very strange is why was this alleged discussion between Jubelin and Scott raised in the current Trial? What did it have to do with the allegations that the 4 recordings were made on Jubelin's personal mobile and were done so without a current warrant?

Why bring in the female carer/mum to testify about her discussion with Scott? Was there a transcript of the discussion the carer had with Scott? Was this discussion in person or by telephone? If the discussion was using a nsw police landline or hotline number I am sure they are recorded. Last I spoke with police a general recording said so prior to actual discussion. What did this discussion have to do with the Trial of allegations against Jubelin?

I am confused. Is anyone else confused?

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I don't think you should be confused. Jubelin didn't deny making the recordings. He felt compelled to record the sessions for the reasons described during this defense. He very clearly revealed the toxic working conditions that he was up against in his ongoing investigation into the disappearance of William Tyrrell.

 

[Thebottomline]

If there is no corroborating evidence how can such testimony be accepted in Court? That is what I do not understand. And I really don't understand what the relevance is to the Trial of allegations.


How can someone testify in Court about what is supposedly said in a conversation between two people, when the testimony is given by one of those persons, with not corroborating evidence?

Foster mum, detective Beacroft and GJ all pretty much said so

 

[dragon52]

I have not been following this case for many months ( I have been overseas). I have a lot of catching up to do. My initial impression is that Jubelin didn’t have a clue what had happened to William but was desperate to appear to have a suspect when the case went to inquest and he was therefore pressing a vulnerable man with perhaps dementia or mental health problems to confess.
I am also amazed at the close relationship he appears to have formed with the Foster carers. Surely that would be considered as inappropriate/ unethical considering the circumstances of Williams disappearance.

 

[Thebottomline]

I don't think you should be confused. Jubelin didn't deny making the recordings. He felt compelled to record the sessions for the reasons described during this defense. He very clearly revealed the toxic working conditions that he was up against in his ongoing investigation into the disappearance of William Tyrrell.

So well said

 

[intriguedinterest]

I don't think you should be confused. Jubelin didn't deny making the recordings. He felt compelled to record the sessions for the reasons described during this defense. He very clearly revealed the toxic working conditions that he was up against in his ongoing investigation into the disappearance of William Tyrrell.

allegations of toxic work relationships with a colleague surfaced after the alleged unlawful recordings, from memory. In my view for Jubelin to raise a discussion that cannot be corroborated if like throwing firecrackers into a fire to difuse attention from the trial of allegations against him.

 

[Thebottomline]

What has a tie and bowraville got to do with the Trial of allegations against Jubelin? I really don't understand why you refer to this.

Nod nod wink , think you do

 

[Thebottomline]

It’s all back in the threads. If you’d been following the paper trail in this case, you’d know. Just search back. It’s all there.

Blindingly obvious

 

[Deleted member 161976]

IMO the investigation was hampered from the start. The first hours when a child goes missing are crucial and the fact that in this time everyone was looking for a little boy lost, could mean evidence lost, scene trampled on etc. This coupled with the facts the area is so remote, the visit a day early, the circumstances re: names and foster care and no evidence or witnesses add to the complexity. Then to add to that the internal politics of the police force seems like it will never be solved. I only hope Jubelins case may throw more light on the overall investigation and help the coronial inquest. If not maybe Jubelin as an investigative reporter will solve it. All so tragic.

 

[sosocurious]

Outside court today, the mother of the late Matthew Leveson - whose case was also overseen by Jubelin - told reporters Supt Cook's alleged comments were "despicable".
"(I'm) shocked, horrified, to think that somebody who was the head of homicide would say that to a grieving mother," Faye Leveson told reporters.

William Tyrrell's mum backs Jubelin over top police officer

 

[sosocurious]

How do we know the exact words that were said and how those exact words were actually said? Was there a transcript of the discussion taken from some recording, of the discussion between Jubelin and Scott? I think not otherwise it would have been used in Court.

Another thing I find very strange is why was this alleged discussion between Jubelin and Scott raised in the current Trial? What did it have to do with the allegations that the 4 recordings were made on Jubelin's personal mobile and were done so without a current warrant?

Why bring in the female carer/mum to testify about her discussion with Scott? Was there a transcript of the discussion the carer had with Scott? Was this discussion in person or by telephone? If the discussion was using a nsw police landline or hotline number I am sure they are recorded. Last I spoke with police a general recording said so prior to actual discussion. What did this discussion have to do with the Trial of allegations against Jubelin?

I am confused. Is anyone else confused?

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BBM
William Tyrrell's foster mother has told a Sydney court a senior police commander accused of saying "no one cares" about the missing toddler later told her police would be dropping the case.
The foster mum - who can't be named for legal reasons -today alleged Superintendent Scott Cook told her during a 2019 inquest that "William is not our only case" and "you are not the only family that are victims of crime".
"I'm thinking, I can't believe you are saying this to us, at the inquest for this little boy," she told Sydney's Downing Centre Local Court.

William Tyrrell's mum backs Jubelin over top police officer

 

[Thebottomline]

I have not been following this case for many months ( I have been overseas). I have a lot of catching up to do. My initial impression is that Jubelin didn’t have a clue what had happened to William but was desperate to appear to have a suspect when the case went to inquest and he was therefore pressing a vulnerable man with perhaps dementia or mental health problems to confess.
I am also amazed at the close relationship he appears to have formed with the Foster carers. Surely that would be considered as inappropriate/ unethical considering the circumstances of Williams disappearance.

Are you a parent Dragon ? If you’re child was missing would you have this view ?

 

[dragon52]

Are you a parent Dragon ? If you’re child was missing would you have this view
What a strange/personal thing to say! What is being a parent got to do with it?
I was merely pointing out my observations having not read or kept up to date with this case for such a long time

 

[musicaljoke]

What would the outcome be for GJ if found guilty of illegal recordings

We'll have to wait to see what the judge is going to say. It seems to me that the judge will likely address the larger issue, which is the blot on the justice system created by the shameful handling of investigation into the disappearance of WT. Surely revealing to the world that the investigation was shelved because of petty jealousy and officiousness is a terrible shock to all who live in AU. "Nobody cares about that kid," will go into the annuls of AU history.

I predict that GJ will be given a nominal fine, and that the ire of the judge's comments will be a scathing "get your act together" directed to the former head of the NSW police strike force.

 

[sosocurious]

points paraphrased
* GJ thought in 2018 the brass wanted to shift the file to cold cases.
* Accusation of recording 4 conversations with out the proper warrant with a possible suspect. (yes it says possible suspect)
* FFC felt a distinct lack of interest from Cook when they met for the first time in March 2019 at the inquest.
* FFC has been at the court most days.

NoCookies | The Australian
Gary Jubelin trial: William Tyrrell’s foster mum feared oblivion of ‘cold case box’

 

[intriguedinterest]

Nod nod wink , think you do

I have absolutely no idea what your on about. What is your game?

 

[intriguedinterest]

Nod nod wink , think you do

I have absolutely no idea what your on about. What is your game?