Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #54

[SouthAussie]

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Lia Harris
@LiaJHarris

Jubelin has confirmed his legal team has lodged an appeal.

Thank goodness.

Jubes esteemed character witnesses all seemed to disagree with the magistrate's opinions (while respecting the judgement of the court, of course )

 

[purpleandgreen]

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Lia Harris
@LiaJHarris

Jubelin has confirmed his legal team has lodged an appeal.

Excellent.

 

[Chrissy74]

No worries ... if there are any further tweets can you guys please post them .... I'm "over and out" for the afternoon as I have an appointment .....
I was starting to worry the Magistrate would never get to the end.....
Thanks xx

Thanks Slouth

 

[SouthAussie]

I remember Mark Tedeschi from the Simon Gittany trial ... seemed like quite a powerhouse of a lawyer.


...........

"Mr Tedeschi told the court he attempted to dissuade Jubelin from resigning.

"I would categorise Gary Jubelin as one of the best [officers] that I've come across in terms of his application, his professionalism, his attitude, his dedication and his integrity," he said.
...........

Jubelin considered Mr Savage's behaviour "irrational" and he had no alibi for a crucial window of time on the morning William vanished in September 2014.

While warrants allowed Mr Savage's home, car and phone to be bugged, Jubelin's 2017 and 2018 recordings weren't made on approved listening devices, which produced poor-quality audio and suffered basic failures such as flat batteries."

Tyrrell detective sentenced over illegal recordings of person of interest

 

[purpleandgreen]

I remember Mark Tedeschi from the Simon Gittany trial ... seemed like quite a powerhouse of a lawyer.


...........

"Mr Tedeschi told the court he attempted to dissuade Jubelin from resigning.

"I would categorise Gary Jubelin as one of the best [officers] that I've come across in terms of his application, his professionalism, his attitude, his dedication and his integrity," he said.
...........

Jubelin considered Mr Savage's behaviour "irrational" and he had no alibi for a crucial window of time on the morning William vanished in September 2014.

While warrants allowed Mr Savage's home, car and phone to be bugged, Jubelin's 2017 and 2018 recordings weren't made on approved listening devices, which produced poor-quality audio and suffered basic failures such as flat batteries."

Tyrrell detective sentenced over illegal recordings of person of interest

That's it in a nutshell, SA.

 

[Bohemian]

10 News First
@10NewsFirst

The former lead detective in the search for William Tyrrell has been sentenced for making illegal recordings during his investigations. |@LiaJHarris

Video at link: Twitter

 

[alj65]

Can we all just make sure we buy his book as a show of support

Any date on that book's release?
We could always support him if he ever takes up pro boxing.

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[Tinker Taylor]

Any date on that book's release?
We could always support him if he ever takes up pro boxing.

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Maybe 60 minutes?

 

[deugirtni]

Hi Cleaver & thanks for your apparent learned input at this time. We’ve missed you.

I did underline as above as I’d like to understand more of what you mean by that sentence.

I’m also not endorsing your insinuation that any evidence that Jubelin may have collected is useless.
I also suggest members of our investigative forces may be insulted by that comment, since all such evidence would be at their disposal, for their own investigations to follow.

......

If I may, I believe this is the type of thing that our member 'Cleaver' may have been referring to. With Jubelin's experience of some 34 years, he more than perhaps anyone, should know how things work as far as police work and its ultimate inclusion in a future trial to help convict any perp. I would think other officers involved would be much more insulted that one of their own would take such risks and especially in such an important, expensive, and long-running case. imo.:

But Mr Hudson said Jubelin's illegal recordings could have possibly led to a case against William's killer being thrown out of court or being unable to be prosecuted, as it was obtained illegally.

Gary Jubelin: Downfall of William Tyrrell detective in scathing court judgment | Daily Mail Online
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Jamie McKinnell@jamie86·4h
Magistrate Ross Hudson sentencing Jubelin now. He says the offending "strikes across the heart, extent, nature and purpose of the Surveillance Devices Act" and the "tentacles in terms of the ramifications of illegal recordings" need to be noted, for example future case dismissed.
Jamie McKinnell on Twitter
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Lia Harris@LiaJHarris·4h
Magistrate Hudson told the court the Tyrrell case was “such an important investigation” and that “places a very high bar... just in case there is evidence available... that it is obtained legally... that it is admissible”.
Lia Harris on Twitter
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[gregjrichards]

Fallen cop Gary Jubelin says he has woken up as a 'convicted criminal', something he never imagined happening in his 34 years as a police officer.

A day after he was convicted of illegally recording a person of interest in the William Tyrrell case and fined $10,000, Jubelin spoke to radio host Alan Jones on Thursday about his downfall.

'I've woken up this morning a convicted criminal, not a situation I thought I'd ever find myself in,' he told Jones on 2GB radio.

'It's my reputation that's taken the biggest hit, and my integrity, and that's what has upset me more than anything.'

Gary Jubelin breaks his silence after conviction for illegal recording in William Tyrrell case | Daily Mail Online

 

[SLouTh]

If I may, I believe this is the type of thing that our member 'Cleaver' may have been referring to. With Jubelin's experience of some 34 years, he more than perhaps anyone, should know how things work as far as police work and its ultimate inclusion in a future trial to help convict any perp. I would think other officers involved would be much more insulted that one of their own would take such risks and especially in such an important, expensive, and long-running case. imo.:

But Mr Hudson said Jubelin's illegal recordings could have possibly led to a case against William's killer being thrown out of court or being unable to be prosecuted, as it was obtained illegally.

Gary Jubelin: Downfall of William Tyrrell detective in scathing court judgment | Daily Mail Online
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Jamie McKinnell@jamie86·4h
Magistrate Ross Hudson sentencing Jubelin now. He says the offending "strikes across the heart, extent, nature and purpose of the Surveillance Devices Act" and the "tentacles in terms of the ramifications of illegal recordings" need to be noted, for example future case dismissed.
Jamie McKinnell on Twitter
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Lia Harris@LiaJHarris·4h
Magistrate Hudson told the court the Tyrrell case was “such an important investigation” and that “places a very high bar... just in case there is evidence available... that it is obtained legally... that it is admissible”.
Lia Harris on Twitter
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Deug and Cleaver you both raise good points...... and definitely Cleavers earlier statement in the thread was backed up by the Judge himself in sentencing as above....

I definitely don't know how a "Child Abductors" mind works????? But one could assume the culprit would follow the case?? And if this person didn't know before about the intricacies of the Law, then they most certainly do now....

It is very sad for William's case going forward....... however we can all hope he is found, and as PKA suggested, in earlier post, that some real evidence of the culprit has been left behind..... And /or the culprit is someone that hasn't been investigated up til now or at least the latter part of the investigation .....
IMO

 

[SAMS]

Following...

 

[Wexford]

Fallen cop Gary Jubelin says he has woken up as a 'convicted criminal', something he never imagined happening in his 34 years as a police officer.

A day after he was convicted of illegally recording a person of interest in the William Tyrrell case and fined $10,000, Jubelin spoke to radio host Alan Jones on Thursday about his downfall.

'I've woken up this morning a convicted criminal, not a situation I thought I'd ever find myself in,' he told Jones on 2GB radio.

'It's my reputation that's taken the biggest hit, and my integrity, and that's what has upset me more than anything.'

Gary Jubelin breaks his silence after conviction for illegal recording in William Tyrrell case | Daily Mail Online

I've been a police officer for 34 years, I haven't seen other people treated the same way I had been treated.

'I wasn't even allowed to go back into my office to get my personal belongings.'

Why? What was it about this case? Don't tell me that recording on mobile phones does not happen all the time (and not just in the police force either).

 

[purpleandgreen]

I've been a police officer for 34 years, I haven't seen other people treated the same way I had been treated.

'I wasn't even allowed to go back into my office to get my personal belongings.'

Why? What was it about this case? Don't tell me that recording on mobile phones does not happen all the time (and not just in the police force either).

Ambition, politics and tall poppies. IMO.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I've been a police officer for 34 years, I haven't seen other people treated the same way I had been treated.

'I wasn't even allowed to go back into my office to get my personal belongings.'

Why? What was it about this case? Don't tell me that recording on mobile phones does not happen all the time (and not just in the police force either).

Yes, I believe so, even if it's a form of note taking and erasing it later. While one officer working in team Rosann decided or was advised by another to download the recording for safe keeping, that officer is currently sitting in his 'dream job', his words.

There's a mixed reaction about Jubelin's trial and guilty verdict, there's those who despise the police and for them, Jubelin is a 'representative' of a 'corrupt' police force and any findings that justifies their strong held belief is a joyous moment. No matter what, it's black and white and it makes them feel safe, in control of a world that seems at times out of control.
The police officer and the whole entire police force must be without fault or blemish, no ifs or buts, it must be by the book. This belief gives a false sense of security because while one is publicly scapegoated, the dirty deeds of a very select few are still being perpetrated without discovery.
One sometimes has to think outside the box and treat every individual and every case with an open mind, but as we've witnessed, it depends on who the person sitting in the dock is.

Of course, there's always a rotten apple in the barrel, in the police and justice system, the government, any organisation right down to your local council or country women's association. Where there's money to be made or a personal vendetta to carry out, or a promotion to be gained, those with the inclination to do wrong will grab it with both hands. All I can say is, they've got to keep up the pretense of being squeaky clean because one slip could reveal the skeletons hidden in their cupboard.

Sorry Wex for piling this long winded reply onto a simple answer I originally intended. I'm feeling a tad philosophical today, after Jubelin's guilty verdict and Pell's release on the same day, it's a lot to digest, these 2 events have had a devisive effect on the public, where did the justice system get it right, if at all?

 

[bearbear]

William Tyrrell investigator Gary Jubelin says he has no regrets after conviction and fine over illegal recording
William Tyrrell investigator says he has no regrets after conviction

sorry didnt realize gregrichards also posted this link..different heading!

 

[peekinandy]

Jubes was after the wrong guy? Who is the right guy? From what I have read, there is no evidence/forensics/anything directly pointing to anyone's guilt.

I wonder what 'reasonable grounds' were given for the warrant(s) to surveil Savage.

It appears he is no longer a POI from what Dt Beecroft says, so they must have lost interest in him IMO. The right guy is perhaps some other POI that is current, and we don't know what evidence they have, circumstantial or whatever, because we aren't privy to that info - and it's an ongoing investigation etc. Hopefully the inquest will bring more things to light.

Perhaps the 'reasonable grounds' was that he lived across the road, had an alibi that has big holes in it, and possibly also because he has a history of harassment? IMO

 

[peekinandy]

Relieved to hear Gary has a fine and no jail sentence. $10,000 I hope he can afford to pay. It's not too bad at $2,500 per recording. Maybe his job with the Telegraph (?) will help, & is he truly writing a book? I hope so. Is he allowed to profit though, if he's committed a crime? Maybe if it's about his other investigations he could profit?

 

[SLouTh]

Relieved to hear Gary has a fine and no jail sentence. $10,000 I hope he can afford to pay. It's not too bad at $2,500 per recording. Maybe his job with the Telegraph (?) will help, & is he truly writing a book? I hope so. Is he allowed to profit though, if he's committed a crime? Maybe if it's about his other investigations he could profit?

I think he definitely is writing a book .....
GARY JUBELIN TO PUBLISH MEMOIR WITH HARPERCOLLINS – The Fordham Company
I have no idea about the profit part regarding being convicted of a crime .... ??? Would have to look up that legislation...But a very interesting point that you raise .....

 

[peekinandy]

I think he definitely is writing a book .....
GARY JUBELIN TO PUBLISH MEMOIR WITH HARPERCOLLINS – The Fordham Company
I have no idea about the profit part regarding being convicted of a crime .... ??? Would have to look up that legislation...But a very interesting point that you raise .....

yeah I'm not sure either. Schapelle wasn't able to profit from her book IIRC. But I think Mercedes was? From her magazine specials and TV appearances? I'm not sure though...

Memoirs sound good!