Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #56

[SouthAussie]

Some of the transcript from and about the listening device in Savage's home:

In May, we go to the Supreme Court and get warrants authorising us to install listening devices in Paul's home and car, and interecept his phone calls. The devices in his house record him listening to conservative shock jock Ray Hadley on the radio at full volume, talking to his dead wife, Heather, or ranting about the Greens, Aboriginal people and homosexuals.

(The dots are Jubes' dots where Savage's voice fades in and out.)
"The AVO's a pack of bull****, they gave me one day, one day, one day ... I was advised by some idiot ... he was the receiver of the phone call ... and I told her .. and I went to court .. that I tried to stop her with my car and I used to run around the post office ... some (effing) bull****."

On 5th July, the undercover cop goes back and talks to Paul again <snipped>
Paul tells her William might have been taken by someone who was hiding under his foster grandmother's house, who put something on the boy's face to quieten him and then drove off. He doesn't think it is worth the police searching the area again.

After she leaves <snipped> "My angel. My love. My angel. I love you."

(On the day after the spiderman suit is planted next to the track, and Paul stops for 12 seconds)
"You know I love you angel" "I bloody screwed up, eh"

(Next day, after he stopped to look at the spiderman suit again)
"I never seen it before, maybe a dog's dragged it from wherever. I don't know, it's no good asking that"
"Oh shut up Paul"

(Two days later)
"No, yeah, well I'm gunna run into your property too"
"This is my place, you're in my place, you do what I want .... don't want to take too much crap, hey, I'm not interested in your bull**** mate ... you're a little boy, you're nobody. You're just a little boy, you're nobody. You don't tell me, I'll tell you, I did tell you."

(End of July)
"You haven't got anything to do with this, so it's ridiculous."
"I don't know what's going on with the little bloke."

Loc 6377 Kindle version
I Catch Killers: Gary Jubelin & Dan Box

 

[madoodi]

Some of the transcript from and about the listening device in Savage's home:

In May, we go to the Supreme Court and get warrants authorising us to install listening devices in Paul's home and car, and interecept his phone calls. The devices in his house record him listening to conservative shock jock Ray Hadley on the radio at full volume, talking to his dead wife, Heather, or ranting about the Greens, Aboriginal people and homosexuals.

(The dots are Jubes' dots where Savage's voice fades in and out.)
"The AVO's a pack of bull****, they gave me one day, one day, one day ... I was advised by some idiot ... he was the receiver of the phone call ... and I told her .. and I went to court .. that I tried to stop her with my car and I used to run around the post office ... some (effing) bull****."

On 5th July, the undercover cop goes back and talks to Paul again <snipped>
Paul tells her William might have been taken by someone who was hiding under his foster grandmother's house, who put something on the boy's face to quieten him and then drove off. He doesn't think it is worth the police searching the area again.

After she leaves <snipped> "My angel. My love. My angel. I love you."

(On the day after the spiderman suit is planted next to the track, and Paul stops for 12 seconds)
"You know I love you angel" "I bloody screwed up, eh"

(Next day, after he stopped to look at the spiderman suit again)
"I never seen it before, maybe a dog's dragged it from wherever. I don't know, it's no good asking that"
"Oh shut up Paul"

(Two days later)
"No, yeah, well I'm gunna run into your property too"
"This is my place, you're in my place, you do what I want .... don't want to take too much crap, hey, I'm not interested in your bull**** mate ... you're a little boy, you're nobody. You're just a little boy, you're nobody. You don't tell me, I'll tell you, I did tell you."

(End of July)
"You haven't got anything to do with this, so it's ridiculous."
"I don't know what's going on with the little bloke."

Loc 6377 Kindle version
I Catch Killers: Gary Jubelin & Dan Box

So is this all him just talking to himself? I can totally understand why police investigated him more than others, he is very suspicious to me.

I just believe that he saw something that morning. He is quite descriptive to the undercover cop about someone hiding under the FGM house and taking WT.

When he says he screwed up, I wonder if he means that he did not say what he saw and now maybe feels like it's too late?

And I wonder if he is addressing GJ when he calls someone a little boy.

Sometimes it seems like he is talking TO himself then answering as himself... very strange behaviour. I wonder if he was always like this or if he become like this after his wife died.

IMO.

 

[madoodi]

I haven't yet come across mention of her usual time. What I have read so far is this:

"She tells us her mail run to the street that day was unusually early, at around 8:45am, so she would have been gone long before William disappeared. Although there's no CCTV on Benaroon Drive, we can follow her movements around Kendall on different cameras and see nothing to contradict her version of events."
Loc 6318 Kindle version

"She said he was erratic. He kept approaching her, making her feel uncomfortable. And, around the time William went missing, Paul was often outside, or watching the street, waiting for her arrival.
Paul says he was out for his morning walk at around 8:40am that morning. The two times, his walk and her post run, are so close together it's possible he might not have known she had been and gone, and still have been watching for her.
We've got nothing to suggest Paul's involvement with William, but he could be our best eyewitness, I think."
Loc 6329 Kindle version

I Catch Killers: Gary Jubelin & Dan Box

This is why I also believe PS saw something that morning.
Remember FFC saw someone driving a greenish (IIRC) car driving then turning around? Is it possible this was the postie? I know it was said to be male, but I just wonder...

JMO

 

[madoodi]

DBM double post

 

[SouthAussie]

So is this all him just talking to himself? I can totally understand why police investigated him more than others, he is very suspicious to me.

I just believe that he saw something that morning. He is quite descriptive to the undercover cop about someone hiding under the FGM house and taking WT.

When he says he screwed up, I wonder if he means that he did not say what he saw and now maybe feels like it's too late?

And I wonder if he is addressing GJ when he calls someone a little boy.

Sometimes it seems like he is talking TO himself then answering as himself... very strange behaviour. I wonder if he was always like this or if he become like this after his wife died.

IMO.

Yes ... all talking to himself. And yes, it does seem that they feel - in the book - that Savage either witnessed something, or he or Heather accidently ran William over. There is a part where Jubes had him outside where Savage was having tea and toast that morning, and Jubes speaking about how Savage could see FGM's grassy lower area quite clearly. Savage saying yes, if there is no bush there but he hadn't ever looked. Jubes saying 'in 15 years you have never looked?' and Jubes pointing out that in that area there are only trees with very high up foliage.

There are a few more bits.

(When driving home after an interview at police premises, to talk about the planted spiderman suit)
"Make sure you dont tell anyone, love, they're right after me. Don't tell anyone love, please, they're right after me"
Loc 6418 Kindle version

(After Laura Beacroft interviewed and walked-through with him in his home)
Paul calling Laura "a stupid girl" and me "as low as the who grabbed him"
Loc 6466 Kindle version

(In September)
"I'm sorry, I shouldn't do it again"
"Great, they're gunna find something Mum, don't dob on me OK ... OK Mum oh, oh, oh, oh Mum, oh Mum, what do I do? What do I do? Hey? 'Cos everything he said to me is all lies, you know ... I'm sorry"
Loc 6471 Kindle version

It should be noted, that it is stated that they have thousands of hours of unlistened-to covert recordings of Savage. Jubes said that he estimated that it would take 4 officers at least 10 days to listen to it all, but Rosann's staff were mostly all pulled away by Scott Cook, leaving three of them (including Jubes) on the strike force. It is still unheard, as far as he knows.

I Catch Killers: Gary Jubelin & Dan Box

 

[SouthAussie]

It should be noted, that it is stated that they have thousands of hours of unlistened-to covert recordings of Savage. Jubes said that he estimated that it would take 4 officers at least 10 days to listen to it all, but Rosann's staff were mostly all pulled away by Scott Cook, leaving three of them (including Jubes) on the strike force. It is still unheard, as far as he knows.

I Catch Killers: Gary Jubelin & Dan Box

I just re-read this part ... over 2,500 hours of listening device material that hasn't been heard, it would take Rosann 10 weeks to listen to it all if they did nothing else (not 10 days). Jubes asked for four more cops to clear the backlog. He didn't get them.

Loc 6603 Kindle version
I Catch Killers: Gary Jubelin & Dan Box

 

[drsleuth]

I just re-read this part ... over 2,500 hours of listening device material that hasn't been heard, it would take Rosann 10 weeks to listen to it all if they did nothing else (not 10 days). Jubes asked for four more cops to clear the backlog. He didn't get them.

Loc 6603 Kindle version
I Catch Killers: Gary Jubelin & Dan Box

Imagine if that one piece of info they need, might be in those tapes

 

[SouthAussie]

Imagine if that one piece of info they need, might be in those tapes

As well, Jubes mentions they have over 15,000 pieces of information in their system about this case. Much of it they weren't able to get to before Rosann was minimised.

Jubes constantly getting pulled off the case to work another murder somewhere. Lambert growing quieter and quieter - not getting along with his staff - and then going on extended leave. Beacroft being seconded back to Sex Crimes after a year, as she wanted to be.

Maybe the Cold Case division will be able to put the devoted time into it and find that one piece of info that will crack the case. If they have the time to do that, when the inquest is over.

 

[drsleuth]

As well, Jubes mentions they have over 15,000 pieces of information in their system about this case. Much of it they weren't able to get to before Rosann was minimised.

Jubes constantly getting pulled off the case to work another murder somewhere. Lambert growing quieter and quieter - not getting along with his staff - and then going on extended leave. Beacroft being seconded back to Sex Crimes after a year, as she wanted to be.

Maybe the Cold Case division will be able to put the devoted time into it and find that one piece of info that will crack the case. If they have the time to do that, when the inquest is over.

Maybe we should all offer

 

[interested64]

I haven't yet come across mention of her usual time. What I have read so far is this:

"She tells us her mail run to the street that day was unusually early, at around 8:45am, so she would have been gone long before William disappeared. Although there's no CCTV on Benaroon Drive, we can follow her movements around Kendall on different cameras and see nothing to contradict her version of events."
Loc 6318 Kindle version

"She said he was erratic. He kept approaching her, making her feel uncomfortable. And, around the time William went missing, Paul was often outside, or watching the street, waiting for her arrival.
Paul says he was out for his morning walk at around 8:40am that morning. The two times, his walk and her post run, are so close together it's possible he might not have known she had been and gone, and still have been watching for her.
We've got nothing to suggest Paul's involvement with William, but he could be our best eyewitness, I think."
Loc 6329 Kindle version

I Catch Killers: Gary Jubelin & Dan Box

Thanks yes im sure he did miss her that morning while out walking..imo if hes out looking for her at the letter box as it seems he did often.. it puts him in my eyes the closet to Willaim playing on the lawn...if the postie usually came around the same time he went missing..that leaves PS maybe hoping to see her and maybe then if it was not him a visual to who it may have been..i just cant see why he wouldnt mention something if he had seen someone on the street that day.

 

[interested64]

I just re-read this part ... over 2,500 hours of listening device material that hasn't been heard, it would take Rosann 10 weeks to listen to it all if they did nothing else (not 10 days). Jubes asked for four more cops to clear the backlog. He didn't get them.

Loc 6603 Kindle version
I Catch Killers: Gary Jubelin & Dan Box

wow just wow

 

[interested64]

Imagine if that one piece of info they need, might be in those tapes

wouldnt the coroner want them listened to,why wouldnt you before the cost of a inquest ?? im baffled

 

[SouthAussie]

The inquest ...

"William Tyrrell's foster parents, his birth parents and the lawyer representing Bill all ask that I be called to give evidence, but their requests are rejected.
I ask the cops if I can attend, not as a witness but just so I can be there, and am sent a written Commander's Direction from Linda saying no.
Being shut out is offensive, I made a promise to William's foster parents, Tom and Jane, that I'd be there.
(Eff) this, I think. I made a promise and the cops are telling me to break it. I'll leave the force. I will retire. It's a decision made in anger, by a man who feels abandoned.

I Catch Killers: Chapter - A Decision Made in Anger, Loc 7052 Kindle version
Gary Jubelin & Dan Box

 

[interested64]

Some of the transcript from and about the listening device in Savage's home:

In May, we go to the Supreme Court and get warrants authorising us to install listening devices in Paul's home and car, and interecept his phone calls. The devices in his house record him listening to conservative shock jock Ray Hadley on the radio at full volume, talking to his dead wife, Heather, or ranting about the Greens, Aboriginal people and homosexuals.

(The dots are Jubes' dots where Savage's voice fades in and out.)
"The AVO's a pack of bull****, they gave me one day, one day, one day ... I was advised by some idiot ... he was the receiver of the phone call ... and I told her .. and I went to court .. that I tried to stop her with my car and I used to run around the post office ... some (effing) bull****."

On 5th July, the undercover cop goes back and talks to Paul again <snipped>
Paul tells her William might have been taken by someone who was hiding under his foster grandmother's house, who put something on the boy's face to quieten him and then drove off. He doesn't think it is worth the police searching the area again.

After she leaves <snipped> "My angel. My love. My angel. I love you."

(On the day after the spiderman suit is planted next to the track, and Paul stops for 12 seconds)
"You know I love you angel" "I bloody screwed up, eh"

(Next day, after he stopped to look at the spiderman suit again)
"I never seen it before, maybe a dog's dragged it from wherever. I don't know, it's no good asking that"
"Oh shut up Paul"

(Two days later)
"No, yeah, well I'm gunna run into your property too"
"This is my place, you're in my place, you do what I want .... don't want to take too much crap, hey, I'm not interested in your bull**** mate ... you're a little boy, you're nobody. You're just a little boy, you're nobody. You don't tell me, I'll tell you, I did tell you."

(End of July)
"You haven't got anything to do with this, so it's ridiculous."
"I don't know what's going on with the little bloke."

Loc 6377 Kindle version
I Catch Killers: Gary Jubelin & Dan Box

he seems to have some serious problems, added with much anger to go with it

 

[they'll get you]

The inquest ...

"William Tyrrell's foster parents, his birth parents and the lawyer representing Bill all ask that I be called to give evidence, but their requests are rejected.
I ask the cops if I can attend, not as a witness but just so I can be there, and am sent a written Commander's Direction from Linda saying no.
Being shut out is offensive, I made a promise to William's foster parents, Tom and Jane, that I'd be there.
(Eff) this, I think. I made a promise and the cops are telling me to break it. I'll leave the force. I will retire. It's a decision made in anger, by a man who feels abandoned.

I Catch Killers: Chapter - A Decision Made in Anger, Loc 7052 Kindle version
Gary Jubelin & Dan Box

Freakin’ disgusting!

 

[SouthAussie]

Freakin’ disgusting!

Yes, I just finished the book. And I will write a little more tomorrow.

The inquest sounds like a bit of a rigged joke to me now.
FM managed to get a few things said during Jubes' trial.
A crook said that if Jubes got sent to jail, he would get sent to jail too and protect him.

Jubes has a lot of people surrounding him who love and respect him, but the people (police) who should have protected him basically sabotaged him. imo

And little William remains lost, and maybe always will. I don't have a lot of hope.

 

[Warshawski]

The inquest ...

"William Tyrrell's foster parents, his birth parents and the lawyer representing Bill all ask that I be called to give evidence, but their requests are rejected.
I ask the cops if I can attend, not as a witness but just so I can be there, and am sent a written Commander's Direction from Linda saying no.
Being shut out is offensive, I made a promise to William's foster parents, Tom and Jane, that I'd be there.
(Eff) this, I think. I made a promise and the cops are telling me to break it. I'll leave the force. I will retire. It's a decision made in anger, by a man who feels abandoned.

I Catch Killers: Chapter - A Decision Made in Anger, Loc 7052 Kindle version
Gary Jubelin & Dan Box

IMO, this is a disappointing action by ‘Linda’ - surely there’s more needed in deciphering this judgement .

I’m aware that life sends its challenges. I’m also aware that ‘rank’ doesn’t discriminate. ..

IMO, Jubes is a good man, and his intents & values are solid.

I pray for answers for William & his family, which then encompasses answers for GJ as he’s given so much ..

 

[madoodi]

Imagine if that one piece of info they need, might be in those tapes

Oh just imagine I wish they could go through it or have volunteers. I'm sure there has to be something more.

IMO

 

[madoodi]

(When driving home after an interview at police premises, to talk about the planted spiderman suit)
"Make sure you dont tell anyone, love, they're right after me. Don't tell anyone love, please, they're right after me"
Loc 6418 Kindle version

I wonder what he doesn't want "love" telling anyone...

(After Laura Beacroft interviewed and walked-through with him in his home)
Paul calling Laura "a stupid girl" and me "as low as the who grabbed him"
Loc 6466 Kindle version

This again makes me believe he saw someone take WT...for me it is just the emotive choice of words like 'grabbed' - I would think someone would say 'took or 'snatched' or 'stole' but 'grabbed' just seems so descriptive.

(In September)
"I'm sorry, I shouldn't do it again"
"Great, they're gunna find something Mum, don't dob on me OK ... OK Mum oh, oh, oh, oh Mum, oh Mum, what do I do? What do I do? Hey? 'Cos everything he said to me is all lies, you know ... I'm sorry"
Loc 6471 Kindle versio

Does he refer to Heather as mum or is he talking to his own mum who I presume has passed. And I wonder if he is referring to GJ when saying that what he's said are all lies. And why would someone dob on you unless you have done something wrong... ?

All MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

I wonder what he doesn't want "love" telling anyone...



This again makes me believe he saw someone take WT...for me it is just the emotive choice of words like 'grabbed' - I would think someone would say 'took or 'snatched' or 'stole' but 'grabbed' just seems so descriptive.



Does he refer to Heather as mum or is he talking to his own mum who I presume has passed. And I wonder if he is referring to GJ when saying that what he's said are all lies. And why would someone dob on you unless you have done something wrong... ?

All MOO

I wondered at one time if he went off for 2 hours because he did see someone who took William, and some time later followed up the track toward the cemetery to see if he could see what was going on.

There is a part in the book where he says that he feels someone would have taken William and exited the street in that direction. I will have to try to find all these little excerpts again to provide quotes and links.