Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #57

[katydid23]

It really pains me to learn of this. I have followed this case since day one, and being an adoptive parent, I have always defended this couple.

 

[JLZ]

It's an application for an AVO. It's not an assault charge. We don't know why the applicant apprehends violence.

 

[stormyseas]

Gosh I’m reflecting now on the accusations directed toward BS in particular. He was number one POI for such a long time. Most of the circumstantial information we were fed via media about him (ie. missed phone calls, expected arrival times, etc) was based on information provided by the foster family… IMO

 

[Sillybilly]

Moderator can you please give advice on what is now permitted to be written on this thread given what has transpired and detailed in the latest media publications? Thankyou

At this point it is still speculation what the AVO is about so it's status quo. Having said that, I will check with Tricia tomorrow (it's the middle of the night over here). If there is a change in the stance we have taken thus far, we will notify on the thread.

 

[deugirtni]

I think that MSM has now labelled the fosterers as the current POI's:

NSW Homicide Squad detectives have sought an apprehended violence order against the foster parents of William Tyrrell following an alleged assault on a child related to the missing boy.

Homicide squad officers learned of the allegations within the last fortnight as part of ongoing inquiries into William’s disappearance, which in recent months have narrowed onto the boy’s foster parents as persons of interest.

NoCookies | The Australian

Yes, hence my point.

 

[sniffsniffcough]

My memory is hazy but wasn't there a picture early on in the investigation showing WT with bruising? Am I going crazy?

Yes that was the 1st photo ever published of William showed him with a bruised face on the left side. IMO

Information was released during the Inquest that William had been found with other facial bruisings in 2014 and had been taken for medical examination after one 'accident' that caused facial bruising. On one particular occasion during her testimony, his biological mother stated she could still see facial bruising on William during her last visit with him and that is when he called her "bio mum". I have always wondered who taught a child to refer to his mother as "bio mum".

If this turns out like I believe it will, the Salvation Army have to bare a great deal of responsibility.

I don't have a copy of the relevant sections of Inquest testimony so I understand I will have to say IMO.

 

[Angeline]

IMO what has hindered this investigation is the laws surrounding the privacy of the FCs. How can any witness come forward and say, "I saw that person at this place at this time" or "I saw their car", if the public isn't allowed to know anything?

 

[sniffsniffcough]

At this point it is still speculation what the AVO is about so it's status quo. Having said that, I will check with Tricia tomorrow (it's the middle of the night over here). If there is a change in the stance we have taken thus far, we will notify on the thread.

Thank you for your prompt reply Sillybilly. Such a shocking set of circumstances seem to have evolved.

 

[katydid23]

Yes, hence my point.

Yes, I was agreeing with your point and trying to put it into black and white, to illustrate it further. Quite a twist in the narrative...

 

[CooperDyl]

I believe it is the foster carers that fought tooth and nail and with all their might (and contacts) to have their names suppressed. Other foster children and foster carers names have been published in full including in Coronial Documents.

I always thought it was odd they wouldn’t go public to appeal for information, but then again some people are just odd.

 

[sniffsniffcough]

Can anyone give advice if the AVO application will be listed on the upcoming NSW legal hearings?

 

[katydid23]

IMO what has hindered this investigation is the laws surrounding the privacy of the FCs. How can any witness come forward and say, "I saw that person at this place at this time" or "I saw their car", if the public isn't allowed to know anything?

True, but it is kind of a complicated subject because of the vast array of potential bio family/foster family situations.

It can be dangerous for the foster children and the foster family if a birth family member is angry or upset and decides to confront the foster family or to take back the child by force. Some children in foster care have been subject to domestic violence, or they would be more likely to be with family members as opposed to foster parents.

 

[Milisi]

All those that truly loved William dearly are in my mind today

So agree. Well said. I’m feeling very emotional preparing for news that will extinguish the little bit of hope that all of us have clung to for so many years. How much exponentially multiplied will it be for those who loved him. My thoughts and prayers are with them

 

[decsimp]

How old is WTs sister now? Can an avo be taken out over a threat?

True, but it is kind of a complicated subject because of the vast array of potential bio family/foster family situations.

It can be dangerous for the foster children and the foster family if a birth family member is angry or upset and decides to confront the foster family or to take back the child by force. Many children in foster care have been subject to domestic violence, otherwise they would likely be with family members as opposed to foster parents.

Do bio families usually know who the foster parents are? Surely the bio family knows now who the foster parents are??

 

[CooperDyl]

Can anyone give advice if the AVO application will be listed on the upcoming NSW legal hearings?

It already is

 

[Angeline]

True, but it is kind of a complicated subject because of the vast array of potential bio family/foster family situations.

It can be dangerous for the foster children and the foster family if a birth family member is angry or upset and decides to confront the foster family or to take back the child by force. Some children in foster care have been subject to domestic violence, or they would be more likely be with family members as opposed to foster parents.

Are bio parents allowed to know who their child is fostered with? I don't know much about the laws around it.

 

[katydid23]

Are bio parents allowed to know who their child is fostered with? I don't know much about the laws around it.

I don't know how it works in Australia.

In the US, some placements are kept secret, others are open.

The closed placements are done when there is family violence or abuse and the children need to be protected.

Our kids had open adoptions and we kept in contact with their birth families, but we still had to keep some boundaries in place, specifically for the kids to feel comfortable and secure. It can get very confusing for them...

 

[they'll get you]

I always thought it was odd they wouldn’t go public to appeal for information, but then again some people are just odd.

They did many public pleas but their faces weren’t shown.

Bloody hell someone is a good <modsnip> liar if this is true.

Someone pinch me. I can’t wrap my head around this yet.

 

[Thebottomline]

Gosh I’m reflecting now on the accusations directed toward BS in particular. He was number one POI for such a long time. Most of the information we were fed via media about him was based on information provided by the foster parents… IMO

In some ways at least all the pedos mentioned were smoked out in this investigation. Not saying BS as that’s only alleged but all the others are at least now known and may keep some child safe . Maybe that’s Williams legacy

 

[Thebottomline]

Are bio parents allowed to know who their child is fostered with? I don't know much about the laws around it.

From memory they knew where their children were placed and had met, stand corrected if wrong