Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #59

[bearbear]

Was this something that was brought up at the inquest that was not reported on? I do not doubt for one minute that they were not looked at. Police would be very negligent if they did not and I cannot see them doing that; then again, after reading Jubelin's book and reading about the battles he faced to get extra officers on the case I would not be surprised if they weren't.

i think jubelins book said he questioned both fps separately? and possibly bugged their cars?

 

[JBowie]

Also for anyone who thinks that the FF haven't been investigated over the years at different times, they have, but unfortunately I can't say much more than that due to court orders, but they've been looked at many times & by at least 3 different leaders of the investigation..........

Being "parents" and at the scene, of course they have been investigated however Jubelin very publicly ruled them out as suspects making them among his biggest fans.

Laidlaw, with a longer record of solving difficult crimes, took a very different view and went straight for the jugular. That's the difference.

 

[Thebottomline]

I’m finding it hard to believe or have faith in anything At the moment , we’ve been led to believe of the possible guilt of so many over the last 7 years . They said it was a once in a decade case, boy oh boy is it ever

 

[Mrs G Norris]

if you're going to do something - getting these gpr specialists out to Kendall, that is - you might as well do the most thorough job you can.

remember that even if you're on team foster parents, THOROUGHLY going over every millimeter of the property is also how you EXCLUDE them as suspects.

I’m more on team ‘I don’t really trust these police on this case’. I don’t see the point of chasing down impossible theories.

 

[Cant run and hide]

They’re using ground penetrating equipment on the new driveway now .. what would be the point of that? It’s ridiculously unlikely that he is somehow under the new driveway at GMA’s .. this is getting weird again.

Where was that mentioned?

 

[Ickpick]

Unless they are hiring more 'powerful' legal representation than what has been provided so far?

Just assuming as the only time I have used a lawyer is for conveyancing and to do my will.

Wouldn't rather than fire them you'd keep them in good standing to liaise with the new representation, even if "upgrading"? Just a thought

 

[jessicalouise]

Were they minors?
Having an AVO against you in relation to a minor is a whole different kettle of fish. It has serious consequences. Police generally take them out only where there is evidence sufficient to do so.

Some of them were. But they were not taken out on their carers/guardians (former or current) so that’s the key difference!

 

[stormyseas]

DBM

 

[Cant run and hide]

I’m more on team ‘I don’t really trust these police on this case’. I don’t see the point of chasing down impossible theories.

Can I just ask why you don't trust these police ?

 

[mussopossum]

You don’t need much to take out an AVO/lay charges for common assault. An accusation and what? Some sort of evidence something physically happened. If not eyewitness than a bruise or a mark or scratch that could be completely unrelated.

It seems like a bit of an odd scenario for two adults to get physical with a child at the very same time. Don’t you think?

The common assault seems so vague. I guess we’ll see what comes out in the wash at court.

Long story short I feel like I need more details.

I was thinking this tonight when watching the news about both being charged. What possibly could have taken place.

 

[stormyseas]

I feel just like you.My only consolation if this turns out to be true, is that even Gary Jubelin was fooled.
But I’m sure I’ll go back to my usual cynical self now, and doubt everything parents of missing children claim.

I’m not even convinced that GJ was fooled. Maybe he had suspicions all along? Maybe he knew it would be difficult to nail the FPs and was willing to play the long game? Perhaps his superiors weren’t happy with the long game and the particular ways he was playing that game? IMO

 

[Inplainsight]

In the FGM written statement at the Coronial Inquest, she said that the photos of WT were taken were on the "balcony".

The photos we have seen were taken on the patio downstairs. Were there photos taken upstairs on the balcony? Could be a reporting error.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Can I just ask why you don't trust these police ?

The way they went after BS so publicly for a start, then all the bad blood with GJ. I just hope this isn’t another example of that again.

 

[drsleuth]

Where was that mentioned?

No body, no charges: Police need more for arrests over William’s disappearance

On Wednesday, specialist AFP technicians deployed a ground-penetrating radar that can show inconsistencies in soil at the tract of bushland.

 

[Freddo Frog]

i think jubelins book said he questioned both fps separately? and possibly bugged their cars?

That is what I thought, too. I have not read the book in a while so I am not sure, so I will say IMO. I honestly cannot see such an experienced, thorough detective neglecting to do basic detective work 101 questioning.

 

[jessicalouise]

I thought same. It's one thing for an AVO to be applied for person to person. Used to be done commonly.

It's a whole different process when it's a police instigated/non-person applied AVO, IMO. Anecdotally - for the latter - mine was 26 pages affidavit (applied for *by Police*). They had to ensure all grounds for AVO were heavily legitimised.

The process has changed since I was in my teens. In fact I remember it changing during my 20’s. For example I was involved in an incident where a man assaulted me when I was a minor (the police pressed charges then.) Then in my twenties I was involved in a domestic incident and I was asked if I wanted charges pressed. By the time I was involved in a separate domestic incident in my early 30’s things had changed and now it’s up to police not the victim to have charges pressed. It’s done to take away the responsibility being on the victim of said crime.

Now that doesn’t mean that charges don’t get dropped or have more charges added to the original charge. Can also mean the judge throws it out. There are so many variables. It’s just that the important thing is that it’s done by the police now.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I'm relieved the Police Minister, David Elliott, and the Premier, Dominic Perrottet have distanced themselves from Mick Fuller's inconsiderate recent comments, he's in enough hot water at the moment to be pointing fingers of blame at past investigators/officers assigned to WT's case. The Fixated Persons Unit debacle anyone?!, 'cough, cough'.

Mick Fuller should be applauding the new team and leave it at that, keep his criticism of past efforts and mistakes for team meetings. Transparency is one thing, berating the previous lot and tooting his horn before there's even an arrest is just foolish, imo.

 

[JBowie]

They’re using ground penetrating equipment on the new driveway now .. what would be the point of that? It’s ridiculously unlikely that he is somehow under the new driveway at GMA’s .. this is getting weird again.

My guess is that they won't leave a square centimetre of that property unsearched. No way they'll be going back after this big effort.

 

[marellajubes]

Finished the podcast, and the icy response from LE when the case changed hand from GB makes me think they were suspected then.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

A possibility that it was a driveway accident, maybe ?

They’re using ground penetrating equipment on the new driveway now .. what would be the point of that? It’s ridiculously unlikely that he is somehow under the new driveway at GMA’s .. this is getting weird again.