Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #61

[bfew]

A new witness has come forward. The new witness could be associated with the FGM-perhaps she told someone something that they did not speak about until after she died?, with another foster child, or outside the family all together. (Where have they been in that case?)

Does anyone else think that this new witness evidence is probably just the social worker related to the “Close to giving up, or giving in.” email that was revealed by Caroline Overington article in The Australian newspaper yesterday?

That this new evidence is, or includes FC 'motive' related evidence?

William Tyrrell: Behind the silence lies so much pain, and so many questions

 

[SLouTh]

William Tyrrell investigation will take MONTHS as police dig up 1km of ground in Kendall | Daily Mail Online

• Police digging up one square kilometre of bushland in search for William Tyrrell
• Old hessian bag was found buried one metre under the ground on Saturday
• Forensic scientists have told police 'he'll be in there' as they dig up the area
• Police say the dig for the missing three-year-old's remains could take months

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Does anyone else think that this new witness evidence is probably just the social worker related to the “Close to giving up, or giving in.” email that was revealed by Caroline Overington article in The Australian newspaper yesterday?

That this new evidence is, or includes FC 'motive' related evidence?

William Tyrrell: Behind the silence lies so much pain, and so many questions

.. or an aged care worker the FGM confided in?

 

[Edgar70]

William Tyrrell investigation will take MONTHS as police dig up 1km of ground in Kendall | Daily Mail Online

LE sound confident! IMO

• Police digging up one square kilometre of bushland in search for William Tyrrell
• Old hessian bag was found buried one metre under the ground on Saturday
• Forensic scientists have told police 'he'll be in there' as they dig up the area
• Police say the dig for the missing three-year-old's remains could take months

 

[Rumination1]

There were multiple weird theories in 2014 until now
Now there seems to be multiple weird theories surrounding the FF ( why and how)
No theory ever sounds plausible but one will end up true

I hope is that for little William he is found and he wasn’t in pain..., I feel sooooo sad

It must have triggered lots of emotions for people in the family and in the town with the recent CS case.... I do wonder how it affected his now 11 year old sister

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Not to poo poo the hessian bag, but they are used underneath gravel to stop weeds / grasses growing through especially in flower beds. Can't tell from that image if it is just one, and if it's been split open as a ground cover or not.

 

[Edgar70]

There were multiple weird theories in 2014 until now
Now there seems to be multiple weird theories surrounding the FF ( why and how)
No theory ever sounds plausible but one will end up true

I hope is that for little William he is found and he wasn’t in pain..., I feel sooooo sad

It must have triggered lots of emotions for people in the family and in the town with the recent CS case.... I do wonder how it affected his now 11 year old sister

I feel the same.

One way to honor the memory of William is for Justice to be served.

I feel strongly it is not far off. IMO

 

[BreakingNews]

Reports in September and more recently said a new witness had come forward. MSM says new witness or previously unknown witness.

If those reports are accurate, then who could be a new witness?

Because any family, friends, neighbours or associates wouldn't be considered a new witness surely?

It's not a known witness with new information it's a whole new witness.

Interested in your theories on possible new witnesses.

I wondered if perhaps FGM was in a nursing home and she confided in one of her carers. If she had a form of dementia it may have initially been dismissed as incoherent ramblings. Perhaps after her death the carer came forward and whatever she revealed to LE fit in with their suspicions?

Coroner could have sent questions to the police to investigate. Like all the inconsistencies in FM's statements/behaviours. Plus coinciding with FD being removed from their care. Allegations must be serious. Not just falling off horse. This has to relate to something physical that they are accused of. MOO.

 

[Tigerlily75]

Snipped by me for emphasis .. 'wanting' to rule out the parents for any reason seems problematic to me.



Not only that but their anonymity means nobody can know if they saw them or not on the day, doing anything suspicious, being somewhere other than where they said they were etc. Nor can someone say they saw any suspicious behavior either before or afterwards from the FP because nobody knows who they are, unless close associates.

A person of interest could mean they are just ruling her out again in light of recent events, if so I don't understand why police invited so much media attention and the police commissioner said:



One suspect, three key search areas in renewed search for William Tyrrell's remains

The remaining anonymous has bothered me for the same reason. If they were public, as in most cases, people may have come forward with information. Either about that day, or red flags from the past.

The GJ interrogation doesn’t sit well either. The parents were furious “because of the trust”. He said to them before he began “you’re going to hate me after this”. They were too close. We have Family Liaison Officers so that investigators are not too close to the family, for good reason.

In addition, the non-incriminating information from the covert bugging of the car means nothing if only one FP knows what happened and the other doesn’t.

None of this means I automatically assume FM is guilty of anything, it’s just alarm bells for me at this stage.

 

[BreakingNews]

Key findings in fresh Tyrrell search

This reads like FGM was supervising and went to make tea. Where was FM?

Also noted in this article that car was obtained for testing at the direction of the Coroner

 

[Morrisa]

Lia Harris
@LiaJHarris

A new episode of Where’s William Tyrrell? ‘A New Direction’ has just dropped.
@10NewsFirst
@10_Speaks

 

[Morrisa]

Link to podcast

Where's William Tyrrell? - Network Ten

 

[organised_chaos]

It’s possible that she’s telling the social workers about William’s behaviour not because she can’t cope.. Sounds to me like the FFC was establishing a paper trail of evidence in support of the FFC’s wishes that the children see the BP less frequently or perhaps not at all.
MOO

Behavioural issues can split a family. 3 is too young to diagnose properly and a lot of kids are usually given a diagnosis of GDD (global development delay) and then receive a more formal diagnosis when they are 5,6,7 and then usually accompanied with proper medication and clinical therapists support along with a treating team. This is from my own experience MOO, IMO, JMO. My son at 5 was diagnosed with level 3 autism, severe ADHD and mild intellectual disability. My son was an escape artist and meltdowns were horrific. Needless to say - it aged me and he is nearly 13 now, but I am not sure how I would have coped without support workers, medication and respite. I am only talking about raising a child with behavioural issues from my own experience and in no way saying that this is what was happening for this case. This is just a thoughtful reflection on children with behavioural issues in general. MOO, IMO, JMO

Global Developmental Delay (GDD) In Infants and Young Children

 

[HilaryHormone]

Coroner could have sent questions to the police to investigate. Like all the inconsistencies in FM's statements/behaviours. Plus coinciding with FD being removed from their care. Allegations must be serious. Not just falling off horse. This has to relate to something physical that they are accused of. MOO.

I’d be more inclined to believe a horse over any of the adults in this case!

 

[Cant run and hide]

Dunno if her motivation was to get out of Sydney asap, or get to Kendall asap.

She said they always broke the trip at the half way point and had Happy Meals at McDonalds which the kids always looked forward to.

My assumptions was she wanted to get to Kendall to help her mother sort out her will and legal stuff around that wasn't it?

 

[vatzjr]

So, let me get this straight, the FFC make a 2 1/2 minute 000 call at 10:56 AM. She says their search has been for the last 15 - 20 minutes, which she summarises as, "We walked up and down Benaroon Drive, but we can't find him."

Then years later (already TWO years ago) at the inquest (is that right?), the FFC mentions driving (?) to the riding school. That's a good 8 minutes (getting into car, driving and back, getting out) to just even go somewhere for a brief visit with no kind of exhaustive search. Were there witnesses that support this detail?

Am I missing something? Or is this a huge red flag?

Would the Mazda not have a computer chip with tracking info?

Also, how many falls happen in this family?

 

[Mrs G Norris]

The remaining anonymous has bothered me for the same reason. If they were public, as in most cases, people may have come forward with information. Either about that day, or red flags from the past.

The GJ interrogation doesn’t sit well either. The parents were furious “because of the trust”. He said to them before he began “you’re going to hate me after this”. They were too close. We have Family Liaison Officers so that investigators are not too close to the family, for good reason.

In addition, the non-incriminating information from the covert bugging of the car means nothing if only one FP knows what happened and the other doesn’t.

None of this means I automatically assume FM is guilty of anything, it’s just alarm bells for me at this stage.

I agree, GJ lost his objectivity, undeniable.

 

[BreakingNews]

Unfortunately, publicly ruling out suspects at any point of a criminal investigation might be mis-interpreted by those that have evidence (current or future) about the ruled out suspects. Misinterpreted to have them think that Police are saying that the ruled out suspects could not have possibly been in any way responsible. Causing those with evidence involving the ruled out suspects, to not come forwards with it, or to omit it from any body of evidence they do provide to Police.

Police publically ruled out Baden Clay, when all the while he was their only poi from the get go. They were simply gathering evidence on him.

 

[Reneemaree88]

This bothers me as 25 mins is a long time to be away from where he went missing from

I absolutely agree, if the riding centre was only just down the next street.

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If we use the time of 7.39am as the starting point then 96 minutes later puts us at precisely 9.15. Is 9.15 when the FF got home?

If she could change the date, who’s to say the photo wasn’t from there last visit or the night before if there was enough light still.

 

[Trivento]

William Tyrrell investigation will take MONTHS as police dig up 1km of ground in Kendall | Daily Mail Online

Interesting quote from this article…

“ “ He’ll be in there , “ a police spokesman said the scientists have told officers working on the scene. “

I wonder what is making them so sure “He’ll be in there “ …?

Must have had a direct tip-off from someone about exact location of body for that to be an accurate statement….?

Would expect the police chiefs to be the ones who know about locations…and then the forensic scientists go and do their work where the top cop tells them to..?