Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #61

[madoodi]

I can tell you from experience old ladies, living alone to not generate too much washing.

I wonder if the call to BS was more to suss out if he was planning on coming that morning. Not so much concerned about the washing machine, but more so to be prepared if someone "popped in".

IMOO

 

[JayWill]

Yes and the kids may have wet sheets etc

But they wore pullups. There should not be wet sheets and if it happened often, they would have macs on the beds.

 

[Thebottomline]

Odd too. Generally if you are searching and someone is home, you take your phone so they can call you if they find them

That is the where my thoughts are too having been gone for 25 mins or but I guess in the panic of that morning it could be forgotten

 

[PolyDot]

The foster grandmother’s house sold in March 2016, so was presumably empty for close to 18 months.

oh i thought it was already sold in April 2014 , then sold again 2016

 

[Awakening]

I didn't realise they were searching such a big area

Yes I think it was reported as, or people took it as, 5 metres squared, when its 5 KILOmetres squared which is around 500 hectares or 1200 acres.

 

[Estelle]

I absolutely agree, if the riding centre was only just down the next street
If she could change the date, who’s to say the photo wasn’t from there last visit or the night before if there was enough light still.

Yes I have often wondered whether something happened to WT the night before, they used a photo from a previous visit, then they changed the date and time and date to 7ish at first then to the 9ish time later as they needed more time. There is not exactly two hours difference between the two times either. However, LT at about 5yo told LE that she had seen WT that morning and so did the FGM. Could they have been told to say that? I don't know but it is unlikely.

Also FFC claimed that they bought the Spider Man suit in Bali. Has that been checked? Was WT really wearing the Spider Man suit that morning? We really only know what the FPs have told LE.

 

[PolyDot]

Wow if the sister lives in Kendall - then you have heaps of opportunity to visit and check up on things without worry of why you are there. That's made me think of more possibilities.

yeah but not to check on house where WT might be buried ?/ not if someone else living there

 

[SLouTh]

Yes what you have missed is that the evidence at the inquest where FFC explains that she drove to the riding school was a video which was played to the court. The video was a police walk through done with the FFC 6 days after William's disappearance.

It wasn't until the inquest that large amounts of evidence obtained during the investigation became public.

Sorry Blues.... I missed your reply here and have replied with almost the same reply .....

 

[PolyDot]

see, for me, if I thought my husband would be home any time and my mother was there at the house, I would search as much as I could (even using the car) whilst waiting for him. He was expected within a few minutes, so it could be assumed she would see him up (the FF) the road as she drove up searching

*I wouldn't call him if I thought he'd be back any minute

i don't know what i would do - i would be in such a panic .. not sure if we can read anything in to that

 

[JBowie]

Super sorry if this has been covered already. Got a lot of catching up to do.
Do we have a confirmed source for the bolded?
If this is true, then why in all that is bloomin' does someone who only arrived the night before need to use the washing machine? Didn't arrive with clean clothes? No spares? Someone wet the bed? Can't do a regular soak and hand wash in the laundry basin?

She talks about the washing machine in one of the videos of her speaking to police.

My assumptions was she wanted to get to Kendall to help her mother sort out her will and legal stuff around that wasn't it?

The mother's house was to be sold. Newspaper articles claim that FM and FF had real estate experience.

 

[SLouTh]

RSBM
I guess we find out on Tuesday how much info gets released and how the court and media handle it.

My guess is that the hearings next Tuesday will be "suppressed".

IMO

 

[Random-me]

But it was under contract at that time. Too late to investigate if she was being ripped off. The time to do that was when offers were being made.

It seems like it was a private deal

 

[purpleandgreen]

I agree, GJ lost his objectivity, undeniable.

'I, like everyone else, want justice for William Tyrrell. To suggest that I got too close to a victim’s family that it clouded my judgment or to imply that I would rather let a suspect get away with murder because otherwise it would prove me wrong is just offensive.

Let me just make one thing clear: I would lock up my mother if I thought she had committed a murder.'

No Cookies | Daily Telegraph

 

[Rumination1]

see, for me, if I thought my husband would be home any time and my mother was there at the house, I would search as much as I could (even using the car) whilst waiting for him. He was expected within a few minutes, so it could be assumed she would see him up (the FF) the road as she drove up searching

*I wouldn't call him if I thought he'd be back any minute

Perhaps she had called him. or perhaps he drove past before 10.30 and took william ( absolutely just my random thought )

still have no motive as to that .... nothing makes sense.

what's the family car? Could the satellite in the sky have seen it ? IMOo

 

[Blues Clues]

Thank you. How does the police walk figure into my question, though?

According to the 000 call, FFC took 15 - 20 minutes to search for WT before calling and only mentioned walking up and down Benaroon Road. It would seem getting in a vehicle and taking at least eight to ten minutes to go somewhere very specific and then coming immediately back is a rather large omission from her call. (On top of it all, she doesn't call the MFC despite being alarmed enough to jump in the car and go to the Riding Place). Am I missing something about this 000 call?

A call to 000 is a call for assistance. Every detail would not be provided in an emergency call as time is of the essence, however her statement to police and a walk through would contain detail of her movements.

 

[JayWill]

She talks about the washing machine in one of the videos of her speaking to police.



The mother's house was to be sold. Newspaper articles claim that FM and FF had real estate experience.

No, the house had been sold, just waiting on contracts exchanged and settlement.

 

[Awakening]

Something that I personally find odd.

Theres a video from LE of a walk through the FM did with them on Day 6.

In it she talks about a truck driver, that seemed unnecessary to me. I wonder if on Day 6, this truck driver had come forward already? Has he ever come forward?

I'm paraphrasing but FM says something like "the truck driver thanked me because he thought I was pulling over for him. But I wasn't pulling over I was looking for William.. he thought I pulled over.. but I had my head out the window looking for William"

Why was she at pains to point out that she had not stopped, had not pulled over on the side of the road?

Was she worried that a truck driver was going to come forward and say he saw her pulled over on the side of the road?

Is she telling police this so that if the driver does come forward police won't be suspicious because she's already told them about it and that she wasn't pulled over.

In light of this recent turn in this investigation, is it possible the truck driver saw her pulled over after or before she got rid of a body or some other evidence?

Pure speculation and my opinion only.

 

[JayWill]

It seems like it was a private deal

You can do a private sale, but you still have to have legals and property searches done. A private sale just means it is done without a selling agent. I bought my second house that way, from friends but it still had to go through the legal bits.

 

[Random-me]

A thought... with the search area, a smell of decay could be written off as a dead animal. Anyone who has lived in an area with kangaroos etc has smelt it and assumed it was a dead animal.

 

[Tigerlily75]

I'm stumped too.

I only came onto this thread when I heard the FM was now being looked at.

I don't have a lot of knowledge about the case but I was surprised FM was a POI because I thought she'd been cleared years ago, she was highly regarded, she pushed and pushed for the case not to go cold and it sounded like there were plenty of other potential suspects.

But my opinion, and JMO, is that the FM is likely to be involved. I base this only on what LE have done and said in the past 5 days, which has been extraordinary.

LE have not said they are reviewing all evidence again as a formality. They've very clearly pointed the finger at the FM, which I just cannot see them doing without some solid evidence.

If LE had flimsy evidence and wanted to see what FM did under pressure, then they didn't have to be so blatant towards her. They could have been vague "everyones a suspect and everyones being looked at" whilst still inviting the media along and announcing what they were doing. FM (or any other POI) would have still felt the pressure!

IMO I lean towards FM because:

LE have pointed the finger at her
LE say that there is a new credible witness who they never knew about
FM and FF have been charged with the alleged assault of a child (not WT but believed to be his sibling)
FM and FF have had their FC removed from them
LE have been openly critical of their own previous investigations. IMO they sound angry with the previous investigators, as though they've completely stuffed it up, missed vital things. LE quoted as saying "messy case"
The final day of the inquest is when the coroner asks for the timestamp on the photo to be looked at again, and then this all happens. Seems like an awful coincidence to me.

BUT, and this is what has me stumped, is if LE is right then how FM has managed to pull this off is extraordinary IMO.

IF she is later found to have been involved then IMO she would have to be some sort of narcissistic psychopath to not only commit the crime but to then go on to fool so many for so long. She's incredibly convincing. She would have to be highly intelligent too. So psychopathy combined with intelligence, dumb luck and perhaps a poor investigation in the early days?

On the other hand if FM is not involved, then what the heck is LE doing? I can't believe any LE would be that incompetent and risk litigation etc.

So yeah, stumped and baffled by it.

And on top of all that, the FGM is there during that time too. It just makes it even stranger. Did she lie too? Any theory I think about, there’s all these stumbling blocks.