Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #61

[Gotta have Faith]

I have a question ; Do the bio mum and WT sister still see each other for visitations? Could it be possible the girl had the bruises and it was the Bio Mum or bio GM who reported the marks on the girl ??

 

[PolyDot]

Yes, I was digging on a similar theory a little while ago. LT was put 'in charge' of WT and that this could be seen as negligence and that the time of disappearing was a whole longer as no one actually knew.

But really , would you lie about that , what’s worse -would you hate being seen as a bad mother even if it hinders your kid being found

 

[PolyDot]

I have a question ; Do the bio mum and WT sister still see each other for visitations? Could it be possible the girl had the bruises and it was the Bio Mum or bio GM who reported the marks on the girl ??

Yes I would say that is very likely … or school teacher

 

[nightrider17]

I feel I am doubting the 2 cars story more and more. If the family arrived in Kendall - Grandmothers house - the night before. Then why would these cars be there to organise a abduction in the morning. FC wakes up and sees them parked on the street 7.00am. How did they know to be there before she even goes outside. Is she implying the Washing Repair Guy tipped them off that they would be coming to Kendall. If it had been known - say the FGM mentioned it to someone that her family is coming - sometime Friday and she could have said Friday Afternoon. These 2 cars randomly guessed to come there early and as it turns out the family went to Kendall a day earlier. Seems convenient, were they prepared to stay there for hours waiting for the original time planned to come and lucky for them it turned out to be a day early. Weirdly convenient.

 

[PolyDot]

IMO all this points to a possible motive as it was not a good situation for any of them.

You are right not a good situation , but enough of a reason to kill a child - whom you are trying to adopt

 

[organised_chaos]

But really , would you lie about that , what’s worse -would you hate being seen as a bad mother even if it hinders your kid being found

It depends on the type of Mother we are speaking about. Someone that is very big on image, has a lot to lose, or needs to be seen as 'perfect' wouldn't want anyone thinking badly of her. It could have just been a simple lie to save face, but it can't be undone as it would be very incriminating? JMO MOO IMO

 

[Deleted member 296843]

You can imagine the frustrating of the FM when she was originally told by the department that before she got WT that the mother was surrendering him over (when it was not the case the mother was having him removed by force) im not sure what she was told about the sister and im not sure if she got the sister 1st while waiting for the birth perents on the run with WT, once FM finally got him she was probably shocked that the perents were allowed to see him, she was probably angry thinking he was hers through a surrender then she had to wait for him while the perents ran, mad at them for having him on the run, then if there was an issue with adoption because WT was having visits with his BM she could of been even more mad

Imagine if you were age that can no longer hav children and how you would feel being told a baby boy is being surrender by his mother he will now be yours then you have to wait for him worrying while the perents on the run with him, then the perents are allowed to see him, from the start your lawyer would of told you adoption is an option this mother is surrendering the child now you find out that the children you raised with the internetion to adopt may never become your children because they are a sibling pair with the department, you try get rid of the BM through behaviour issues hoping that WT is not visiting his BM so the sibling pair will be adoptable but that fails as behaviour issues are normal with foster children, whats next you threaten the agency with the fact that you can't keep WT with the behaviour issues you tell them your going to the your mothers house for the weekend you continue to hav discussions with them Friday morning then whats next

 

[Serenanicole]

Some of reasons Parents who kill their children
1) accidentally / usually signs that parents not coping / children neglected / other injuries
2) murder & suicide-
3) in spite - dv/ separation , male partners wants to punish mother

is there any credible evidence of foster family being neglectful/ violent prior to WT disappearance ?
I not saying it couldn’t happen but I am struggling to see it.

I know there was speculation about bruises in previous threads, but you know it’s really only the recent alleged assault that will go to court next week that seems to cast some doubt in that direction. Its interesting and IMO very meticulously timed with FFC being named a POI and a vigorous and highly public new/current search.
I do think that people that are more affluent are considered less likely to be abusive by popular belief. But that isn’t true.

 

[PolyDot]

I have been looking at the footage of the McDonalds visit. Wondering if this was in any way 'planned' and therefore giving lots more time to prepare? JMO MOO IMO

Chilling new images of William Tyrrell with his foster family released

Can you explain how this gives them more time to plan ?
Are you suggesting FP are planning that night to kill

 

[Gotta have Faith]

In light of the FFC email to Social workers 3 days before William disappeared, would somebody please confirm whether any of the Bio family had friends/relatives in Kendall.

I think I know where you are heading with this, it has crossed my mind too that PERHAPS and just my opinion that the bio parents may have been in Kendall or known someone in Kendal who could grab WT ?? Perhaps he is still alive and hidden somewhere. In saying all the thought, why didn't they also get his sister?

 

[PolyDot]

I know there was speculation about bruises in previous threads, but you know it’s really only the recent alleged assault that will go to court next week that seems to cast some doubt in that direction. Its interesting and IMO very meticulously timed with FFC being named a POI and a vigorous and highly public new/current search.
I do think that people that are more affluent are considered less likely to be abusive by popular belief. But that isn’t true.

Yes I agree , but I am sure one of the first things police would have done when checking out foster family is look at medical records etc .. assuming that they do a thorough check of them

 

[PolyDot]

I think I know where you are heading with this, it has crossed my mind too that PERHAPS and just my opinion that the bio parents may have been in Kendall or known someone in Kendal who could grab WT ?? Perhaps he is still alive and hidden somewhere. In saying all the thought, why didn't they also get his sister?

Very hard to hid a child for 7 years - she has other children now also .. very unlikely

 

[PolyDot]

New William Tyrrell ‘witness’ steps up during Kendall creek search | Daily Telegraph

An elderly man has stopped and spoken to a detective at the site of the current dig to say he saw something dumped from a vehicle on the morning William disappeared.

Shown a picture of a vehicle of interest the man said: “I’m pretty sure that’s the car I saw.”
“Who was driving, I don’t know,” he added. “It’s only a theory.”

Can’t read story .. but what the hell ?

 

[Gotta have Faith]

This is what I think happened too - either to the bush or up to the road to look out for Dads car. From there, whether it was the bush or the road, anything could have happened. And like you, my mind changes constantly.

He was bored, full of energy, wanted to explore the new scenery, decided if he was allowed to go down to wait for FF then why not go across the road. Maybe saw something in the bush fell into a well or something. Maybe someone grabbed him then. Didnt the FM hear a scream maybe that was WT and he had hurt himself or been bitten? If he had behavioural issues and a mind of his own anything would be possible. maybe had had a disagreement with FM and took off and hid somewhere? Who knows.

 

[EllaN1]

I know there was speculation about bruises in previous threads, but you know it’s really only the recent alleged assault that will go to court next week that seems to cast some doubt in that direction. Its interesting and IMO very meticulously timed with FFC being named a POI and a vigorous and highly public new/current search.
I do think that people that are more affluent are considered less likely to be abusive by popular belief. But that isn’t true.

They are just better at hiding abuse/DV

Women's shelter to cater for demand in just one of Sydney's wealthy suburbs lacking vital services
When Marie* took her children to tennis lessons, closing her front door behind her, it was the last time she would see her Mosman home.

The 34-year-old was wife to a Sydney lawyer who mentally and physically abused her, wielding custody, deportation and death threats to silence his victim. Her decision to leave – masquerading as a routine trip to tennis – was prompted by the escalation of violence towards their children.

Mary's House in North Sydney, set to open in June, will deliver vital services to a "black spot" of domestic violence facilities in some of Australia's wealthiest suburbs, where stories such as Marie's are not unusual.

"Domestic violence doesn't respect postcodes, it isn't associated with any particular socio-economic status, cultural group or demographic,"
The Sydney Morning Herald

 

[Jaded325594]

I think I know where you are heading with this, it has crossed my mind too that PERHAPS and just my opinion that the bio parents may have been in Kendall or known someone in Kendal who could grab WT ?? Perhaps he is still alive and hidden somewhere. In saying all the thought, why didn't they also get his sister?

From what we have seen of the bio family it's unlikely they could pull something like this off even if they wanted to.

 

[Gotta have Faith]

This is what I think happened too - either to the bush or up to the road to look out for Dads car. From there, whether it was the bush or the road, anything could have happened. And like you, my mind changes constantly.

He was bored, full of energy, wanted to explore the new scenery, decided if he was allowed to go down to wait for FF then why not go across the road. Maybe saw something in the bush fell into a well or something. Maybe someone grabbed him then. Didnt the FM hear a scream maybe that was WT and he had hurt himself or been bitten? If he had behavioural issues and a mind of his own anything would be possible. maybe had had a disagreement with FM and took off and hid somewhere? Who knows.

i don’t think the time was deliberately changed. People just aren’t that clever. It’s the stuff of movies.

I think it’s just another of the “dumb luck” factors that sent police off investigating other leads.

I also don’t think it’s a terrible oversight by police not to pick up on the discrepancy. Police don’t chase down every rabbit hole. For police, they had a version of events from FM that they accepted as true and everyone just accepted the proof of life time. It was only when a lawyer started asking questions about what everyone else accepted to be fact (time of photo), that it was investigated.

That’s how the system works. That’s how evidence is tested. The Coroner’s Court is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. No criticism by me of NSWPOL’s failure to pick it up.


A few threads ago, can't remember who posted that the camera had been tested and they found the time stamp had been changed by 2 hours and 2 seconds. This I think is what is part of the trigger for the 96 min delay FF also left the house at 9.30am not 9am as previously thought.
True crime TV shows are a completely false representation of how the criminal justice system works.

 

[nightrider17]

She said that when the truck drove past her - she had her head out the window, and the driver assumed she had pulled over for him and acknowledged to thank her for doing it. Maybe she didn't have her head out the window - but her hand - as she threw some shoes. The hand out may have looked to the truck driver as a wave - your waving him past, and he's thankful not to have to slow down just keep trucking. But she was actually throwing something out the window. MOO

 

[Serenanicole]

Yes I agree , but I am sure one of the first things police would have done when checking out foster family is look at medical records etc .. assuming that they do a thorough check of them

I think the alleged assault going to court next week is the first time and may show to the public and LE an inclination to be abusive in the past. That’s a possibility.

 

[SLouTh]

Can’t read story .. but what the hell ?

Possibly exposing the car to the public, has made people realize they actually did see something that morning????

All speculation ... IMO