Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #61

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  • #421
Hey websleuths,

Just a quick question. Sorry if this has already been addressed. I noticed something that confused me when comparing some comments by the FFC about their trip to Kendall. It might be nothing.

#1 Missing William Tyrrell - Caroline Overington Page 10.
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"the family left the childcare centre shortly after 4pm."



#2 Where’s William Tyrrell Podcast: Episode: The Little boy in a spiderman suit
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#3 Missing William Tyrrell - Caroline Overington Page 10.
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As a mum of three little ones, I can't imagine stopping 3 times to tend to toileting matters in a 4 hour drive. Why so many toilet stops?

Is it just me or does the FFC give a lot of details and talk nearly too much?

JMO


Because when you stop, if there is a toilet you use it..especially if you are in the toilet training period. I use to give my kids a 'warning' on long drives...we have stopped and there is a toilet here...use it because we wont stop again no matter what..until the next stop! (We did stop despite this warning lol)

ETA: The first stop seems o be for petrol..the second for food..the third so the kids could sleep after getting pull ups on.
 
  • #422
You can imagine the frustrating of the FM when she was originally told by the department that before she got WT that the mother was surrendering him over (when it was not the case the mother was having him removed by force) im not sure what she was told about the sister and im not sure if she got the sister 1st while waiting for the birth perents on the run with WT, once FM finally got him she was probably shocked that the perents were allowed to see him, she was probably angry thinking he was hers through a surrender then she had to wait for him while the perents ran, mad at them for having him on the run, then if there was an issue with adoption because WT was having visits with his BM she could of been even more mad

Imagine if you were age that can no longer hav children and how you would feel being told a baby boy is being surrender by his mother he will now be yours then you have to wait for him worrying while the perents on the run with him, then the perents are allowed to see him, from the start your lawyer would of told you adoption is an option this mother is surrendering the child now you find out that the children you raised with the internetion to adopt may never become your children because they are a sibling pair with the department, you try get rid of the BM through behaviour issues hoping that WT is not visiting his BM so the sibling pair will be adoptable but that fails as behaviour issues are normal with foster children, whats next you threaten the agency with the fact that you can't keep WT with the behaviour issues you tell them your going to the your mothers house for the weekend you continue to hav discussions with them Friday morning then whats next
I don't think any of us can imagine how any of them feel and felt.
The emotional trauma coming at these 2 little kids was epic.

To me, the entire universe surrounding William was just never on time, a current little girl missing in USA reminds me of Williams universe. ( summer wells)

No matter where you look...it s a 🤬🤬🤬🤬 show drama fest.
 
  • #423
Hey websleuths,

Just a quick question. Sorry if this has already been addressed. I noticed something that confused me when comparing some comments by the FFC about their trip to Kendall. It might be nothing.

#1 Missing William Tyrrell - Caroline Overington Page 10.
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"the family left the childcare centre shortly after 4pm."



#2 Where’s William Tyrrell Podcast: Episode: The Little boy in a spiderman suit
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#3 Missing William Tyrrell - Caroline Overington Page 10.
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As a mum of three little ones, I can't imagine stopping 3 times to tend to toileting matters in a 4 hour drive. Why so many toilet stops?

Is it just me or does the FFC give a lot of details and talk nearly too much?

JMO

It's alot!
I'm returning to FM's story but making up my own theory of what happened.

What if FM thought WT was somewhere safe when he wasn't? They'd gone for a walk earlier, kids rode their bikes, played in the yard, took their shoes off and came into the house, had a bite to eat and seemed content to sit and draw pictures on the deck, FM took pics of WT and sister drawing, they're barefoot, FGM reading the local paper.

10.05 am- 10.10 am - FM and FGM went inside, chit chatting or deep in conversation about concerns for WT or other issues, maybe, she was looking around the house to check nothing else needs doing for this sale, FGM prepares another cup of tea, both still chit chatting and FM lost track of time.

Iirc, LT came inside to use the toilet in this time period, and FM said she didn't need assistance, so was she even aware LT had come inside to use the toilet, or, did she find out later after WT went missing and questioned LT about the events?

Before
LT went to the toilet, WT had put his shoes on by himself and said to her, 'I can see daddy...I'm looking for daddy.....or, daddy's here?' (not sure exact words LT remembered)
Or, After LT returned from the toilet, WT had already shoes on and he says, 'I can see daddy.....' and he looks over railing and then, runs off into the yard.

FM hadn't seen WT put his shoes on by himself before. A lot of kids are difficult at this age about shoes, especially if the mum is in a hurry.

10.25am - 10.30 am - When FM returns to the patio with FGM and cups of tea, WT is gone and so are his shoes! She's shocked and then, goes into a panic!

10.25am- FF texts he'll be home in 5 minutes, FM desperately searching around the yard and part of the street.

10.30am - FF returns, FM tells him WT has disappeared and both search and make contact with neighbours to help.

FM is acting cagey about the shoes because she never saw him put them on. WT and LT had been left unattended for...15 -20 minutes? That's a long time for littlies to be left alone and imo, she feels guilty and helpless. She risks losing LT and is devastated she let William down.

In 15 - 20 minutes a lot could've happened. WT could've have run god knows where, there's no fences, he's not familiar with the area, he's not a 'wanderer' but there's always a first time. WT could've been abducted anywhere in the street, front of someone's yard or hit by a car further down the street and taken away......

In saying all that, FM is sensitive about questions regarding the 'shoes', the amount of 'time' WT and LT were left alone on patio, when LT 'went to the toilet', when she 'heard WT's growling'.

I'm guessing FM drove around searching at approximately 10.40 am and returned to make 000 call at the house at 10.56 am. Time driving 10-15 minutes at the most.

JMO

IMO, it was MFC text that sent her looking for William. I believe he had been unsupervised for sometime.

Additionally he may not wander, but wandering and looking for dad are two different things.
 
  • #424
The other aspect im interested to know about that i don't think has been discussed was did the children hav a nanny, the family were in the process of around an $800,000 renovation, most average people don't that hav that kinda money they were a bit older than the average age of people who normally are raising kids that age, so I always wonder did they hav assistance as its alot of work to raise kids that age and its alot of bother for people who are getting a little older who are probably set in their ways, I always wondered did they hav a nanny or assistance and maby they didn't bring them to Kendall for what ever reason, WT was only 3 and a half and in day care apparently the FM was a stay at home mother so I always had the idea that day care looked after them during the day and possibly assistance/nanny after and before daycare, I wonder what the regulations around having nannys and kids in day care when they are foster kids you would think the howl idea is that your with them rather than day care looking after them and possibly nanny's, I always wondered about the overseas holidays how hard with young children when one has behaviour issues wonder if a nanny came or if they were put in hotel day care during the trip, by the photos recently released it shows the perents with faces blacked out drinking lots of photos it was on TV the other day how hard to do this with a young behaviour problem child if you didn't hav any help most people hav grandparents helping with baby sitting its looking like the FGM wasn't involved with this sort of activity, its alot of work young children when your professional people with money I can really start to see the mental stress would start developing if you hav done all this for nothing and adoption is looking less likely or if the children are usually cared for now your doing it all on your own husband not home your not coping i can see an accident is possibly or anything is possible but I really do wonder if they were usually cared for by a nanny or baby sitter and do thies people need to be approved by the department you would think so but who knows they took the kids overseas and who knows who looking after them while on holidays as its quite normal to hav hotel day care when overseas so perents can relax and drink

They were in daycare, so maybe not a nanny on top of that?
 
  • #425
A stop at MacDonald seems pretty normal to me … maybe they were a happy family … I am really struggling to see this was a planned murder with both parents in on it … that would be highly unlikely I would think ,, if you were going to do that there would be other ways ..
I can buy that it was accidental at the hands of FP but that is just ?. I am a bit flummoxed

The FP are facing court next Tuesday on assault charges, will be interesting to see what comes of that
 
  • #426
One more thing... In the Podcast, on the morning of William vanishing, it's stated by MFC that William is watching Bananas in Pyjamas on Television, but in the book it mentions that William is watching Fireman Sam on the MFC's phone.

Has this already been solved? Apologies if so.
 
  • #427
Just wondering - is the content in the recent docos (ie Sky's Peter Stefanovic one and Ch 7's Caroline Overington one) allowed to be discussed? Or are these off limits?
Thanks.
 
  • #428
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  • #429
What??? He recalls seeing someone dump something from a car on the morning of WT’s disappearance and he only thinks to tell police 7 years later!! :eek:
Its a bit like the one from last year remember....The woman driving a station wagon with a little boy wearing a spiderman suit standing up on the back seat. :confused:
 
  • #430
I can only imagine the cost that this latest search/investigation is costing. If they are now suggesting this search could take months and the cost involved, could we assume that they really might have some form of evidence, not just a theory?

Initially, it was anticipated that the search could be over after three weeks, but a spokesman for the force told news.com.au that it could now stretch out for months.


He revealed the mammoth scale of the search has been revealed for the first time – with police sifting through the topsoil by hand over an area spanning roughly 1.5 square kilometres.

He said police have not even searched 10 per cent of the total area yet – meaning the operation is set to last several months.


Cops make new discovery at Tyrrell site

I think the same as you Mussopossum the investigators and law enforcement would not be doing a test as extensive and intensive as this if they did not have just cause and confidence that there was a strong possibility of finding William’s remains and/or crucial evidence relating to his case.

If little William is found and whoever is responsible for his death or a coverup of his accidental death is charged and convicted I hope the Australian authorities will take legal action to recover the costs involved of the investigation and search for him.

The total cost of the investigation and search must be several million Australian dollars. I do not begrudge a cent that has been spent searching for little William because he needs to be found, given a funeral and a proper grave. He deserves justice and so do his parents and family for the ordeal they have suffered and are still experiencing.

If it turns out there has been a coverup of William’s death whoever the person(s) is has stood by and watched millions of tax payer dollars being spent investigating and searching for him. The authorities and general public will be extremely angry if that is what has happened and rightly so.

I don’t know if whoever the person(s) involved will have the kind of money required to reimburse the Australian tax payers for all the costs of the search and investigation. But they need to be held legally and financially accountable for what they have done if they are charged and convicted. If they need to sell property or any assets they have to pay back as much as they can back to the Australian tax payers then that is what they should have to do.
 
  • #431
Exactly, then why not go across the road….ok, then PS moves his car to let wife out to go to bingo….wife drives off and WT is under PS car. Possible? If so, then compare the language of FFC, to the language of PS. There are excepts of the recorded conversations GJ had with PS, in podcast 15 “Was there an accident”

Where's William Tyrrell? - Network Ten

My opinion is GJ is a good judge of who could have killed and who could not have, and GJ expresses the opinion that PS knows about the death of WT.
He may of well thought dad was in wrong driveway
 
  • #432
I don't think any of us can imagine how any of them feel and felt.
The emotional trauma coming at these 2 little kids was epic.

To me, the entire universe surrounding William was just never on time, a current little girl missing in USA reminds me of Williams universe. ( summer wells)

No matter where you look...it s a **** show drama fest.
the Summer Wells case reminds me a lot of Williams
 
  • #433
The FP are facing court next Tuesday on assault charges, will be interesting to see what comes of that

Agreed...hopefully we can all then go in the same direction, or have more evidence to sleuth here at WS once we have a better understanding of what the assault charges actually mean.
 
  • #434
Could 'new witness' be connected to FGM's Estate or will ?
Unhappy relative ?
Just asking....MOO

This makes sense. Or maybe if a confidence had been shared you'd honour it only until a beloved family member passed away.
 
  • #435
It's plausible that police conducted a search of the car on direction of the Coroner as she has seen it was never cleared. Upon doing so perhaps they found something in the boot which made them re-examine FFC statement. Her admission of driving it near the riding school could have pinpointed the new search location. IMO police are looking for evidence of a crime scene at the house, they have evidence from the car already (and her admission of driving it) and now they just need to locate William. I don't believe she would have the time or strength to dig a grave so placed him in an unseen area off the roadside, probably covered him with branches etc. Time, weather etc has concealed him further. She may have thought that by throwing out an abduction idea that even if LE found his remains straight away it might be considered that the abductor discarded his body or even that his death could be considered misadventure.
This is where I am at too.
Makes sense with what has been stated in the media.
They have already had the car for a period of time before announcing it.
Something is up with it IMO.
 
  • #436
Because when you stop, if there is a toilet you use it..especially if you are in the toilet training period. I use to give my kids a 'warning' on long drives...we have stopped and there is a toilet here...use it because we wont stop again no matter what..until the next stop! (We did stop despite this warning lol)

ETA: The first stop seems o be for petrol..the second for food..the third so the kids could sleep after getting pull ups on.

But the FMC and MFC stated they were for toileting reasons, so that's why I was a little confused. Never with three little ones have I stopped nearly hourly for toileting reasons. It seems like a lot

JMO
 
  • #437
This makes sense. Or maybe if a confidence had been shared you'd honour it only until a beloved family member passed away.

Wills can bring out the worst in people as well....or more so: the division of assets and money. I know of someone that was incredibly close to their sibling but this friend was made executor of the will and their sibling has constantly fought tooth and nail for more than their fair share. They don't even speak anymore and it is incredibly sad. Money does seem to sometimes (possibly) bring out the worst in people? JMO MOO IMO
 
  • #438
In case it helps anyone, and that includes me, I decided to transcribe some of Ep. 1 of the Where's William podcast. I'm not quite finished.

The children slept in separate bedrooms – WT with his MFC and FD with FFC.

The kids finished breakfast. FFC and the kids went outside to ride their bikes. The kids had been racing up and down the driveway while FFC and FFGM were watching on. FD suddenly stopped in the middle of the driveway because she saw a car that had driven past and she and FFC both took note of that car. FFC talks about that in her police statement.

FD said, “Who’s that car, mummy?” I looked out onto the road and saw a dark green, grey sedan drive past Mum’s house, up Benaroon Drive towards the M’s house next door. The car just nosed into the M’s driveway and then backed out of the driveway. I said to FD, ‘I don’t know. Probably the neighbour’. I said that because I thought that the Ms were home and I think they have a car that is sort of similar to that. The last time I saw the car was when it had turned around in the M’s driveway and had literally just started driving back down the street. The car looked like it was driving with a purpose as opposed to slowly driving along like someone was looking for something. I would have seen the car for less than 10 seconds from when I first saw it until I last saw it. I can’t remember whether the windows were down. I couldn’t see any of the occupants, but this time I turned my attention back towards FD riding the bike because she had started riding again.”

After the kids finished riding their bikes, they went back inside but after 10 mins, WT wanted to go back outside and play. FD stayed inside with FFGM. FFC took WT outside and they played Mummy Monsters before returning inside.

The-little-boy-in-the-spiderman-suit
Such a long description, alot of the things she says gos on and on, normal person would say yes we saw a car green it turns around and whent back, it only needed to be said in a few words yet every thing she says is like 50 words, its like so gos on and on i find it odd
 
  • #439
It has occurred to me that if they had arrived on Saturday, as originally planned, it would have been a weekend and MFC would not have been working. The decision to go early would surely have considered MFC's Friday work commitments. He would need to attend a meeting but could do it online. Of course, due to poor reception he would have to go into town. So by going a day early, there was an anticipated window of time during which MFC would be absent. Interesting that William disappeared during that window
 
  • #440
It has occurred to me that if they had arrived on Saturday, as originally planned, it would have been a weekend and MFC would not have been working. The decision to go early would surely have considered MFC's Friday work commitments. He would need to attend a meeting but could do it online. Of course, due to poor reception he would have to go into town. So by going a day early, there was an anticipated window of time during which MFC would be absent. Interesting that William disappeared during that window
 
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