Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #61

[PrimeSuspect]

The NSWPOL have something to prove, they have their reputation to uphold, they're got a high profile unsolved case of a missing child.
GJ claimed his boss said, 'No one cares about that little kid'. FM said Supt. Cook was dismissive towards her and said, iirc, 'there are other missing children/people on the books too!'
Supt Cook's belief that resources were wasted on one case, even though he denied saying it, it's out there!

I fail to see how this new POI, the FM, and the investigation means she is guilty, and on what grounds could she sue, the NSWPOL are searching for WT and clues a crime was committed, she's not been unfairly arrested, or harassed by the police, she's not been identified.

If evidence is found that incriminates her, she'll be arrested and entitled to a fair trial. Police aren't scared to do their job for fear of being sued, that's ridiculous, imo.
AFAIK, BS hasn't won his lawsuit yet and may not.

The former homicide detective told Downing Centre Local Court on Wednesday that freshly promoted homicide commander Superintendent Scott Cook made the comments upon seeing a picture of William Tyrrell displayed near Jubelin’s desk.
“No one cares about that little kid — get him off the books and get him to unsolved homicide,” Jubelin says Supt Cook told him in 2017 amid growing frustration regarding the length of the investigation.
A barrister representing the NSW Police commissioner told the court Supt Cook “categorically” denied saying those words.

‘No one cares about that little kid’

 

[organised_chaos]

deleted as it was a friday (not the weekend) my apologies. as you were

 

[dragon52]

Looking forward to hearing about the the DVO against the FF next Tuesday. Yes this is aside from the disappearance of William, but it gives a good indication of the type of people the foster parents are. They have hidden behind anonymity. And yes, we have all believed their story without seeing their facial expressions and mannerisms IMO.

 

[kiwi50]

Did the granddaughter only get the car when FGM died, or had she had it for years. Was FGM still driving until she died?
Imagine if they found one of William’s shoes in the boot.

 

[Deleted member 296843]

Its strange that she is answering her questions with also explaining what she was thinking they are not really straightforward answers, what someone is thinking is different to what happened or what did you do, it would be different if the question was what were you thinking

 

[Gotta have Faith]

[QUOTE"JudgeJudi, post: 17287682, member: 115161"]They were going to visit his gravesite later that day for the first time since his funeral. The cemetery was a couple of hundred metres from the house on Benaroon Drive.[/QUOTE]

here is a thought, if not abducted and he wandered off, did he choogle off down to the cemetery for an adventure? Overheard Family saying they were going there? Wonder if cemetery has been searched at all?

 

[Ms Sleuth]

They were in daycare, so maybe not a nanny on top of that?

Do you know how often they were in daycare?

 

[Gotta have Faith]

It's plausible that police conducted a search of the car on direction of the Coroner as she has seen it was never cleared. Upon doing so perhaps they found something in the boot which made them re-examine FFC statement. Her admission of driving it near the riding school could have pinpointed the new search location. IMO police are looking for evidence of a crime scene at the house, they have evidence from the car already (and her admission of driving it) and now they just need to locate William. I don't believe she would have the time or strength to dig a grave so placed him in an unseen area off the roadside, probably covered him with branches etc. Time, weather etc has concealed him further. She may have thought that by throwing out an abduction idea that even if LE found his remains straight away it might be considered that the abductor discarded his body or even that his death could be considered misadventure.

What if they are looking for something UNDER the car? maybe vegetation from a certain area? maybe bits of fabric? Let's say it was an accident and he ended up UNDER the FGM's car?

 

[Awakening]

One of the other theories I was following here was that this was premeditated. The motive being to remove WT to have access to the sister. So, this would mean having plenty of time to plan and make sure all the dots are connected. With the McDonalds footage - I am thinking 'why go inside at that time of night?' Why not the drive through? Most people would stop and get dinner and stretch their legs especially with little kids. But, they were only there 10 minutes (according to the news articles). the kids didn't play on the playground, they ordered, they ate, and then they left. There was a stop (before or after this McDonalds stop) whereby the FM put pull-up nappies on the kids. Can someone fact check that please? It was mentioned many threads ago.

I am just thinking - why not go through the drive through and pull up the car to eat in the car park, or serve the meal to the kids in their carseats and keep travelling? Especially with little kids who are probably getting grizzly and whiney by that time. Feed them, go to the loo, and then hit the road to get to grannies. Then I was thinking - well the image of the 'happy' family would have been caught on camera inside the restaurant (and not so much in the drive-thru). WT on Dad's shoulders. Everyone holding hands and standing close together. The happy family stopping for a meal and performing for the camera. JMO MOO IMO

The CCTV stills show William's foster mother and father taking him to the Heatherbrae McDonald's restaurant, north of Newcastle, about 6:30pm on Thursday September 11, 2014.

William can be seen sitting on his foster father's shoulders.

The group orders a meal at the counter and sits to eat for about 10 minutes before leaving

taken from: Missing child William Tyrrell captured on camera day before disappearance

Doesn't want them eating in the car because of the mess and the smell? Some people are meticulous with their cars.

In terms of stopping to put a night nappy on, we have done this before because we have seen our children start to fall asleep in the car and we don't want them to wee in their car seat.

Possibly they were hoping to keep the kids awake until they got to FGMs.

Speaking from my own experience, I would try to keep kids awake in this instance because if they fell asleep in the car for an hour, then once we arrived at FGMs, the excitement of being at Nanas would see them wake up and not want to go back to sleep.

If my kids fell asleep in the car and were just arriving at their own home, then I'd be more hopeful of successfully transferring them from car to bed whilst they are half asleep. Not a chance if they briefly woke and saw they were at Nans house.

If we tried to get our kids to put on night nappies at McDonald's we'd likely get an argument "I not need nappy coz I not go to sleep yet! I want to see Nannie" Would be a hard sell!

 

[organised_chaos]

Latest report and Xanthe speaks as well (for our international counterparts here)

https://twitter.com/10NewsFirst/status/1461942983729762305

 

[Angeline]

I think the whole foster carer anonymity was a strange policy decision.

So William's face can be shown but not the face of his carers or parents. Then the court says his parents can be shown but we're still hiding the faces of his foster carers!? To what end, one would ask.

If it's about protecting the identity of foster carers then that policy has to change because it has been incredibly unhelpful and I'm unsure of the benefits. If it's about protecting William or his sister it makes no sense. His other siblings would be known to be children related to him (as being children of his now known mother).

Another thing that I don't understand - the FF's identity is still being protected. This is presumably to protect the identity of WT's sister but WT had/has his full name plastered all over the media. Surely his sister has the same surname?

 

[Gotta have Faith]

I think the same as you Mussopossum the investigators and law enforcement would not be doing a test as extensive and intensive as this if they did not have just cause and confidence that there was a strong possibility of finding William’s remains and/or crucial evidence relating to his case.

If little William is found and whoever is responsible for his death or a coverup of his accidental death is charged and convicted I hope the Australian authorities will take legal action to recover the costs involved of the investigation and search for him.

The total cost of the investigation and search must be several million Australian dollars. I do not begrudge a cent that has been spent searching for little William because he needs to be found, given a funeral and a proper grave. He deserves justice and so do his parents and family for the ordeal they have suffered and are still experiencing.

If it turns out there has been a coverup of William’s death whoever the person(s) is has stood by and watched millions of tax payer dollars being spent investigating and searching for him. The authorities and general public will be extremely angry if that is what has happened and rightly so.

I don’t know if whoever the person(s) involved will have the kind of money required to reimburse the Australian tax payers for all the costs of the search and investigation. But they need to be held legally and financially accountable for what they have done if they are charged and convicted. If they need to sell property or any assets they have to pay back as much as they can back to the Australian tax payers then that is what they should have to do.

ok here is a thought......perhaps someone was walking their dog or hiking in the area and found something? reported it to authorities? maybe even someone who like in the Petito case in US is scouring the area where BL was found convinced she would find more........ Just a thought going around in my head

 

[Estelle]

Hey websleuths,

Just a quick question. Sorry if this has already been addressed. I noticed something that confused me when comparing some comments by the FFC about their trip to Kendall. It might be nothing.

#1 Missing William Tyrrell - Caroline Overington Page 10.
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"the family left the childcare centre shortly after 4pm."



#2 Where’s William Tyrrell Podcast: Episode: The Little boy in a spiderman suit
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#3 Missing William Tyrrell - Caroline Overington Page 10.
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As a mum of three little ones, I can't imagine stopping 3 times to tend to toileting matters in a 4 hour drive. Why so many toilet stops?

Is it just me or does the FFC give a lot of details and talk nearly too much?

JMO

Hey websleuths,

Just a quick question. Sorry if this has already been addressed. I noticed something that confused me when comparing some comments by the FFC about their trip to Kendall. It might be nothing.

#1 Missing William Tyrrell - Caroline Overington Page 10.
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"the family left the childcare centre shortly after 4pm."



#2 Where’s William Tyrrell Podcast: Episode: The Little boy in a spiderman suit
---------------------------


#3 Missing William Tyrrell - Caroline Overington Page 10.
---------------------------


As a mum of three little ones, I can't imagine stopping 3 times to tend to toileting matters in a 4 hour drive. Why so many toilet stops?

Is it just me or does the FFC give a lot of details and talk nearly too much?

JMO

11th September 2014

4pm left Daycare at 4pm from northern Sydney

? Toilet stop at Caltex twin centre near Wyong - about 4.45pm?

6:25pm Toilet stop at McDonald’s Heatherbrae near Raymond Terrace

Few minutes later FFC puts pull ups on children just past a guard rail, took the children out of the car, put pull-ups on them and then set off again,

9pm Arrived at Kendall

I agree with you. That's a lot of toilet stops in such a short journey. Was she trying to make sure they would be caught on CCTV? Or was she just making sure that the children did not wet themselves in the car.

BBM "Just past a guard rail". What is the significance of saying that? The FFC's general embellishment of ordinary details often means that she could be lying or fabricating. I am starting to wonder if FFC also craves attention for being the perfect mother.

 

[Angeline]

Green hessian bag just discovered at search site.

Wonder if it's significant?

It was near a tree trunk, not far from the blue piece of fabric.

They do seem to be finding more items of interest here than I can recall from any previous searches.

Cops make new discovery at Tyrrell site

 

[k-mac]

***speculation***alert***


With Mick Fullers statements this week and LE actions I am gunna theorise that the mazda has turned up Williams DNA .
Hense the confidence in the direction they are going.
I theorise that FM has previously verified William has NEVER been in that car.

Its loosely enough for an arrest but gives good indication William could not possibly be far from the Kendall property and they are going for it.


*****my speculation hypothises*****based on LE announcements this week.

moo moo moo

 

[Morrisa]

Just wondering - is the content in the recent docos (ie Sky's Peter Stefanovic one and Ch 7's Caroline Overington one) allowed to be discussed? Or are these off limits?
Thanks.

I don't see why you can't. Provided you can post links?

 

[Ms Sleuth]

11th September 2014

4pm left Daycare at 4pm from northern Sydney

? Toilet stop at Caltex twin centre near Wyong - about 4.45pm?

6:25pm Toilet stop at McDonald’s Heatherbrae near Raymond Terrace

Few minutes later FFC puts pull ups on children just past a guard rail, took the children out of the car, put pull-ups on them and then set off again,

9pm Arrived at Kendall

I agree with you. That's a lot of toilet stops in such a short journey. Was she trying to make sure they would be caught on CCTV? Or was she just making sure that the children did not wet themselves in the car.

BBM "Just past a guard rail". What is the significance of saying that? The FFC's general embellishment of ordinary details often means that she could be lying or fabricating. I am starting to wonder if FFC also craves attention for being the perfect mother.

Didn't think of the CCTV angle. Good point

 

[JayWill]

Doesn't want them eating in the car because of the mess and the smell? Some people are meticulous with their cars.

In terms of stopping to put a night nappy on, we have done this before because we have seen our children start to fall asleep in the car and we don't want them to wee in their car seat.

Possibly they were hoping to keep the kids awake until they got to FGMs.

Speaking from my own experience, I would try to keep kids awake in this instance because if they fell asleep in the car for an hour, then once we arrived at FGMs, the excitement of being at Nanas would see them wake up and not want to go back to sleep.

If my kids fell asleep in the car and were just arriving at their own home, then I'd be more hopeful of successfully transferring them from car to bed whilst they are half asleep. Not a chance if they briefly woke and saw they were at Nans house.

If we tried to get our kids to put on night nappies at McDonald's we'd likely get an argument "I not need nappy coz I not go to sleep yet! I want to see Nannie" Would be a hard sell!

Even a five year old girl? Mostly night trained.

 

[Estelle]

I think the same as you Mussopossum the investigators and law enforcement would not be doing a test as extensive and intensive as this if they did not have just cause and confidence that there was a strong possibility of finding William’s remains and/or crucial evidence relating to his case.

If little William is found and whoever is responsible for his death or a coverup of his accidental death is charged and convicted I hope the Australian authorities will take legal action to recover the costs involved of the investigation and search for him.

The total cost of the investigation and search must be several million Australian dollars. I do not begrudge a cent that has been spent searching for little William because he needs to be found, given a funeral and a proper grave. He deserves justice and so do his parents and family for the ordeal they have suffered and are still experiencing.

If it turns out there has been a coverup of William’s death whoever the person(s) is has stood by and watched millions of tax payer dollars being spent investigating and searching for him. The authorities and general public will be extremely angry if that is what has happened and rightly so.

I don’t know if whoever the person(s) involved will have the kind of money required to reimburse the Australian tax payers for all the costs of the search and investigation. But they need to be held legally and financially accountable for what they have done if they are charged and convicted. If they need to sell property or any assets they have to pay back as much as they can back to the Australian tax payers then that is what they should have to do.

I totally agree with you.

 

[organised_chaos]

11th September 2014

4pm left Daycare at 4pm from northern Sydney

? Toilet stop at Caltex twin centre near Wyong - about 4.45pm?

6:25pm Toilet stop at McDonald’s Heatherbrae near Raymond Terrace

Few minutes later FFC puts pull ups on children just past a guard rail, took the children out of the car, put pull-ups on them and then set off again,

9pm Arrived at Kendall

I agree with you. That's a lot of toilet stops in such a short journey. Was she trying to make sure they would be caught on CCTV? Or was she just making sure that the children did not wet themselves in the car.

BBM "Just past a guard rail". What is the significance of saying that? The FFC's general embellishment of ordinary details often means that she could be lying or fabricating. I am starting to wonder if FFC also craves attention for being the perfect mother.

I agree with all of this. Posters here have mentioned that perhaps there was a need to not have food in the car due to cleanliness standards of the FM (possibly IMO MOO JMO). So, that would rule out preparing snacks to take on the road - sandwiches, containers of cut fruit, chips, etc. So, stopping to get food would make sense. However, the way it was done makes my spidey senses tingle. It is only a 4 hour trip - these are not new-borns (possibly this would change how you travelled JMO MOO). I have travelled extensively with little people and can't see the sense in constantly stopping - just get to the destination as quickly as possible for night trips. Were the kids showered before the trip or at grannies? If showered before then this makes sense to put pull-ups on - but why not at the McDonalds stop? I wouldn't be thinking 'oh the kids are going to get upset that they have to put on their pullups on before we get to grannies.' This is a trip that the times were changed - routine has been thrown out the window. Mum and Dad are in charge. This is what we are doing. These 3 stops are 'interesting' (possibly. IMO JMO MOO).

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