Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #61

[Gotta have Faith]

William Tyrrell investigation led by detective David Laidlaw in Kendall | Daily Mail Online

He is the no-nonsense old school cop who has turned the William Tyrrell case on its head.

in marked contrast to the style cultivated by the man he replaced as Strike Force Rosann boss, Gary Jubelin, DCI Laidlaw does not do walk-throughs of a crime scene for the cameras.

Laidlaw showed his skill for concluding cases involving the death of children in the shocking killing of seven-year-old Ebony, whose 'mummified' body was found in her parents' NSW Mid-Coast home in 2007.

 

[Awakening]

Does anyone know if the foster parents ever hired a private investigator to find WT?

From reports it sounds like they had the financial means to do so, so I'm assuming that at some point over the past 7 years they hired their own private detective?

 

[Ms Sleuth]

double post

 

[Ms Sleuth]

I agree with all of this. Posters here have mentioned that perhaps there was a need to not have food in the car due to cleanliness standards of the FM (possibly IMO MOO JMO). So, that would rule out preparing snacks to take on the road - sandwiches, containers of cut fruit, chips, etc. So, stopping to get food would make sense. However, the way it was done makes my spidey senses tingle. It is only a 4 hour trip - these are not new-borns (possibly this would change how you travelled JMO MOO). I have travelled extensively with little people and can't see the sense in constantly stopping - just get to the destination as quickly as possible for night trips. Were the kids showered before the trip or at grannies? If showered before then this makes sense to put pull-ups on - but why not at the McDonalds stop? I wouldn't be thinking 'oh the kids are going to get upset that they have to put on their pullups on before we get to grannies.' This is a trip that the times were changed - routine has been thrown out the window. Mum and Dad are in charge. This is what we are doing. These 3 stops are 'interesting' (possibly. IMO JMO MOO).

north shore sydney to kendall - Google Search

The children were awake and changed into pyjamas and had their teeth brushed before bed at FGM's house according to Mising William Tyrrell - Caroline Overington.

As a mum of similarly aged children, I would put pull-ups on my kids on a trip where I think they weren't going to wake up and we would quietly move them into bed upon arrival, but considering they were waken up, changed into Pj's and also had teeth brushed, it seems unusual.

The guardrail comment was also unusual, as was the comment that the children usually eat carrot sticks and hummus and not McDonalds in the same book. A lot of details are included that I wouldn't think to comment on as a parent

JMO

 

[Edgar70]

thank you GTaurus! Exactly what I’ve been looking for

A ‘witness who we had no idea about’.

NOT ‘new information has surfaced as a result of the inquest’

so - who is the ‘new, previously unknown witness’ ?

maybe one of the reported but unidentified ‘vehicle drivers’ ?

also again, I did read somewhere very recently that FF have known for some months that they are ‘of interest’.

JMO

It may be someone after the fact that has come forward.

Having a conscience will do that, eventually. IMO.

 

[organised_chaos]

The children were awake and changed into pyjamas and had their teeth brushed before bed at FGM's house according to Mising William Tyrrell - Caroline Overington.

As a mum of similarly aged children, I would put pull-ups on my kids on a trip where I think they weren't going to wake up and we would quietly move them into bed upon arrival, but considering they were waken up, changed into Pj's and also had teeth brushed, it seems unusual.

The guardrail comment was also unusual, as was the comment that the children usually eat carrot sticks and hummus and not McDonalds in the same book. A lot of details are included that I wouldn't think to comment on as a parent

JMO

pre-empting comments about food standards? (in BOLD possibly JMO MOO IMO). Perhaps (possibly JMO MOO IMO) FM was being meticulously scrutinised and condemned by FF for not being 'up-to-standard'. FM was flustered, tired and trying to 'be' the perfect mother? (possibly JMO MOO IMO)

 

[BreakingNews]

The FP are facing court next Tuesday on assault charges, will be interesting to see what comes of that

I doubt that we will be privy to too much detail.

 

[Ms Sleuth]

Can't find the comment to reply to about the reason the MFC and FMC went up to Kendall early but in the Missing WIlliam Tyrrell book it explains that they wanted to help the mother sell items on Ebay because she was going to throw them out and that there were also items of sentimental value they wanted.

Was the sister always planning on arriving at Kendall that weekend to sort through things? Maybe MFC and FMC wanted to get things organised before the sister arrived?

JMO

 

[Ms Sleuth]

pre-empting comments about food standards? (in BOLD possibly JMO MOO IMO). Perhaps (possibly JMO MOO IMO) FM was being meticulously scrutinised and condemned by FF for not being 'up-to-standard'. FM was flustered, tired and trying to 'be' the perfect mother? (possibly JMO MOO IMO)

The book was published in 2020 so doesn't really make sense that it was preemptive

JMO

 

[organised_chaos]

The book was published in 2020 so doesn't really make sense that it was preemptive

JMO

Fm has constantly been in the spotlight. From all the transcripts we have seen - being pre-emptive is what she has been doing since the initial 000 call (possibly JMO MOO IMO)

Pre-emptive: to do or say something before someone so that you make their words or actions unnecessary or not effective: The minister held a press conference in order to pre-empt criticism in the newspapers.

PRE-EMPTING | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

 

[Ms Sleuth]

Fm has constantly been in the spotlight. From all the transcripts we have seen - pre-emptive is what she has been doing since the initial 000 call (possibly JMO MOO IMO)

Pre-emptive: to do or say something before someone so that you make their words or actions unnecessary or not effective: The minister held a press conference in order to pre-empt criticism in the newspapers.

PRE-EMPTING | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

I haven't seen any interviews or press where she was in the spotlight because they were anonymous and their names were suppressed, or did you mean something different?

 

[JBowie]

- the foster parents were ruled out as suspects PRIOR to Gary Jubelin joining the strike force

IMO an experienced cop would never rule out anyone close to the victim until he or she forms their own opinion based on tough and repeated interviews carried out by themselves.

Jubelin did not interview the foster parents himself until quite a long time after the day WT was reported missing.

- Gary stated that he wanted to rule out the parents (biological and foster) prior to announcing the million dollar reward.

If by that he means he tried to get a confession out of them, then that makes sense.

- Gary stated when he was part of the investigation there was no physical evidence implicating the foster parents.

Jubelin: "However, I think it’s appropriate for me to say the person the police have announced as the one person of interest is someone I was told was eliminated as a suspect by retired Detective Chief Inspector Hans Rupp when I took over the investigation five months after William’s disappearance.

The possibility of this person being involved was further explored in 2016 when the person was further questioned and interrogated."

IMO the management of the Rosann Task Force was bungled long before Jubelin got involved. The trail had gone well and truly cold by then. The initial responders made a dog's breakfast of the incident/crime scene.

 

[Waverider]

The children were awake and changed into pyjamas and had their teeth brushed before bed at FGM's house according to Mising William Tyrrell - Caroline Overington.

As a mum of similarly aged children, I would put pull-ups on my kids on a trip where I think they weren't going to wake up and we would quietly move them into bed upon arrival, but considering they were waken up, changed into Pj's and also had teeth brushed, it seems unusual.

The guardrail comment was also unusual, as was the comment that the children usually eat carrot sticks and hummus and not McDonalds in the same book. A lot of details are included that I wouldn't think to comment on as a parent

JMO

Sounds potentially like the actions of a very anxious person - someone anxious about getting food in the car, kids wetting the car seats when asleep…

But, speculatively speaking, I would have expected some such person to be constantly monitoring the children while playing outside, and in the event of not being able to find them then calling 000 immediately, calling other parent etc..

JMO

 

[SleepyJoe]

The NSWPOL have something to prove, they have their reputation to uphold, they're got a high profile unsolved case of a missing child.
GJ claimed his boss said, 'No one cares about that little kid'. FM said Supt. Cook was dismissive towards her and said, iirc, 'there are other missing children/people on the books too!'
Supt Cook's belief that resources were wasted on one case, even though he denied saying it, it's out there!

I fail to see how this new POI, the FM, and the investigation means she is guilty, and on what grounds could she sue, the NSWPOL are searching for WT and clues a crime was committed, she's not been unfairly arrested, or harassed by the police, she's not been identified.

If evidence is found that incriminates her, she'll be arrested and entitled to a fair trial. Police aren't scared to do their job for fear of being sued, that's ridiculous, imo.
AFAIK, BS hasn't won his lawsuit yet and may not.

The former homicide detective told Downing Centre Local Court on Wednesday that freshly promoted homicide commander Superintendent Scott Cook made the comments upon seeing a picture of William Tyrrell displayed near Jubelin’s desk.
“No one cares about that little kid — get him off the books and get him to unsolved homicide,” Jubelin says Supt Cook told him in 2017 amid growing frustration regarding the length of the investigation.
A barrister representing the NSW Police commissioner told the court Supt Cook “categorically” denied saying those words.

‘No one cares about that little kid’

If what Cook says is correct, that comes across very badly! Poor William! And yes, BS has not yet been successful in any lawsuit against NSWPOL (nor even launched it yet AFAIK - correct me if I am wrong). But, IMO, the fact is that he was very heavily targeted and pressured by the investigation when, apparently, from my reading of the media (which could be completely wrong!) there wasn't a a lot of justification to do so, and when it could have been established earlier on that he had a good alibi (by finding a witness from the school assembly) MOO. Also, the investigation of BS was very highly publicised and the media seemed to be informed of every step. Remember the media circus when his septic tank was drained? Hence, he and his legal team are making a case that he unnecessarily suffered severe consequences as a result of all of this. I am not saying whether I agree with this or not, all I am saying is that this is what has been reported. I am also saying that I think IMOO that NSWPOL would probably not want to expose themselves to that type of criticism again ie to be seen to be unfairly targeting someone in their investigation. Given that Commissioner Fuller has publicly criticised the earlier investigation and that "police sources" have confirmed that the FFC is now the "sole person of interest", the police would be opening themselves up to all sorts of trouble if they again, were seen to be unfairly targeting the FFC without good reason. You are absolutely correct, the fact that she appears to be the current police focus DOES NOT mean that she is guilty by any means. It does seem unlikely, however, that, given the total history of the investigation, they would very publicly inform the media that she is the sole POI (and have the media so involved with investigating theories involving her) if they didn't have some good evidence about her. Although I note they have not named her as a suspect, only as a POI. TBH, I really have no opinion either way on whether she was or was not involved, I am just trying to understand why the police are currently doing what they are doing, and am rather baffled by it all! IMOO.

 

[SleepyJoe]

Wills can bring out the worst in people as well....or more so: the division of assets and money. I know of someone that was incredibly close to their sibling but this friend was made executor of the will and their sibling has constantly fought tooth and nail for more than their fair share. They don't even speak anymore and it is incredibly sad. Money does seem to sometimes (possibly) bring out the worst in people? JMO MOO IMO

Absolutely!!! Sadly, I have experienced all this myself. Deaths and wills can destroy even strong loyalties.

 

[JBowie]

Does anyone know if the foster parents ever hired a private investigator to find WT?

From reports it sounds like they had the financial means to do so, so I'm assuming that at some point over the past 7 years they hired their own private detective?

Dunno, but a good question.

I think I've read where more than $100,000 was spent over 7 years on some sort of campaign. Would have to try to find the reference to that.

 

[Ms Sleuth]

Sounds potentially like the actions of a very anxious person - someone anxious about getting food in the car, kids wetting the car seats when asleep…

But, speculatively speaking, I would have expected some such person to be constantly monitoring the children while playing outside, and in the event of not being able to find them then calling 000 immediately, calling other parent etc..

JMO

To be fair she had her mother there, even though she had cognitive decline and wasn't very mobile, so maybe she let her guard down and relaxed knowing that her mum could snap into action if the kids needed her

JMO

 

[JBowie]

Absolutely!!! Sadly, I have experienced all this myself. Deaths and wills can destroy even strong loyalties.

As the saying goes: Where there's a will, there's a relative.

 

[Deleted member 296843]

I think that the youtube clip BS did may be the thing that will prevent him from making a case agenced the police for money, im no lawyer but he put himself out there he put him self on youtube, I didn't really know who he was until he did that, he was just a guy that was being looked into after the youtube me and probably everyone else knew who he was and will never forget his face

 

[Deleted member 293720]

Could 'new witness' be connected to FGM's Estate or will ?
Unhappy relative ?
Just asking....MOO

Maybe the FGM has left a letter with details. But someone close to William knows what happened and why this new search is taking place in certain areas, making the Police seem confident in finding his body