Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #61

[kiwi50]

Does anyone think that, if the FFC was involved, that she’s also hidden the truth from the MFC?

If she was involved I’m sure she hid it, certainly in the beginning,MFC seemed totally sincere in his worry and grief during the searches, if she didn’t tell him very early, I doubt she could ever tell him later on, I doubt he would forgive her.

 

[Tigerlily75]

FFC hires top criminal lawyer

https://www.news.com.au/national/cr...s/news-story/219355538d15b8916587740c5c397161

 

[Donnertronner]

Why would FM have had to pick up her sister from the airport if she lived in Kendall? I had been under the impression that the sister was coming in to town to be a support to the family during the time of W's disappearance?

Also, I know its a fair drive, but why not catch a cab, so FFC can remain on the scene where she may be needed?

 

[Cleaver Greene]

FFC hires top criminal lawyer

William’s foster mum hires lawyer

This is good news. They definitely need excellent representation.

I expect that nothing will come out of the hearing on Tuesday. Their lawyer will want as little as possible out in he public domain. The prosecutor and Magistrate don’t have any interest in disclosing details in open court up until trial or sentencing. In some states, family violence matters (including AVOs) are heard in closed court, so that there can be frank discussions about possible resolutions.

 

[Ytho]

Blaming her mother!

This made me think;
Perhaps the ‘honour’ of protecting her mother’s reputation in failure to supervise WT (on the theory there was an accident) is the motivational lie that’s steamed years of deceit.
IMO There seems to be a self perceived level of high moral ground superiority … it’s been hard (for me ) to reconcile the character (portrayed anyway) with the action of years of time wasting and horrific concealment.
Speculation only but I think someone could lie to themselves; that “this is the most honourable thing to do; protect my mother at any costs” totally ignoring their own fault and that the revelation of such would hold them accountable and most definitely have consequences they’d not want to suffer (public judgement, losing the other FC etc) “no, it’s not about me, it’s protecting my mother”

early morning ramble.

 

[Cbk]

I am curious as to why both FCP’s have been charged with assault. Should an assault have taken place it would have been perpetrated by one individual?

A tactic to turn up the heat and have FCP’s turn on each other?

 

[SleepyJoe]

Do you mean when the FF returned to the fire trail?
That info was released from the inquest.

The documents show senior police returning in February this year to a fire trail where William’s foster father was seen by police on September 12, 2014, the day the boy vanished.

One document notes the foster father had defied a police direction to stay at the property at 48 Benaroon Drive in Kendall on the NSW mid-north coast, where William was last seen alive.

“Sometime after the disappearance of William Tyrrell, the MFC (male foster carer) was seen by Senior Constable (Christopher) Rowley in the fire trail at the end of Benaroon Drive, Kendall,” the document says. “The MFC had ignored the advice from police to remain at 48 Benaroon Drive.

“On Monday 03/02/2020 Senior Constable Rowley met with Detective (Mark) Dukes and took him to this location. Senior Constable Rowley indicated the accuracy was within about 50 metres of the original sighting.”

The foster father has testified that he searched frantically for the boy up and down local fire trails. He is not considered a suspect.

Police eye on William Tyrrell’s foster carers (theaustralian.com.au)

Yes! Thank you, I have been trying to remember this bit! And my husband and I were talking about this yesterday. I remember at the time that it certainly planted little seed of doubt in my mind that the MFC would defy police orders. Does anyone know if this fire trail is anywhere near the new search sites?

 

[Tigerlily75]

I am curious as to why both FCP’s have been charged with assault. Should an assault have taken place it would have been perpetrated by one individual?

A tactic to turn up the heat and have FCP’s turn on each other?

I’ve been wondering about this this morning. I’m wondering if one person committed an assault, and the other person is witnessing it but didn’t stop the assault, if that would therefore make both legally accountable.

 

[Rumination1]

The poor poor sister . Her emotions must have been all over the place in the last 7 years

 

[Sillybilly]

Hey everyone,

Please use the initials CS if/when making reference to the little 4 y.o. girl who was rescued in Western Australia.

In our efforts to protect the privacy of these rescued children for the future, it is Websleuths' policy to redact their names as we go forward. While their names may remain in MSM for now, hopefully eventually those articles will also be redacted or removed to aid in the process. WS just tries to do our part as much as we can.

Thank you.

 

[k-mac]

I’ve been wondering about this this morning. I’m wondering if one person committed an assault, and the other person is witnessing it but didn’t stop the assault, if that would therefore make both legally accountable.

First thing that came to my mind was restraining her against her free will.

Wondering what her relationship with her bio mother is like now.
Am sure she is aware that her parents didn't voluntarily give her up and how much influence they have on her.

Think this is going to expose lots of ugly infighting.

moo

 

[Cbk]

Should remains be discovered and an arrest follows, this will play out in the courts for years.

Only then we will start to get a picture as to what transpired.

Whilst the discovery would be an important milestone, it’s just the beginning of a new chapter.

I fear we are a very long way off finding out what happened.

 

[mussopossum]

Unless they find something before then…

Impatiently waiting, fingers and toes crossed

 

[vatzjr]

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I appreciated reading this as well (about what might have happened the morning WT disappeared). Thank you:

*** The following is my own pure speculation only about a possible sequences of events that could explain why someone might hide an accident***
***I am not suggesting that this is how the FFC felt or acted, nor that she is guilty if any crime***

Imagine a hypothetical professional person who is successful, with a good reputation, who is entrusted by others to look after non-biological children. This person likes things neat and organised and cares about things like efficient and timely repair of household goods, making sure that children in their care eat well and always brush their teeth before bed (even when arriving late at night to an away-from-home destination they are going to stay - instead of just letting them go to bed), that these children have a beautiful home to live in, go on nice holidays, have an abundance of toys, this person even makes story boards of the children with lots and lots of videos and photographs etc etc. This person likes others to think well of them and wants to think of themselves as doing a really good job of looking after the children (and convince others of this as well). They also really want to have a family of their own and have waited a long time to create one. They are invested in creating the Insta-perfect/ Facebook happy family image.

Imagine that this person, being tired from a long car trip the night before, then getting up early with the kids, struggling with a boisterous child who is being demanding about what clothes to put on, then gets distracted doing something inside while the children are playing outside. This person then suddenly realises that they haven't heard one of the children in a while, and, feeling bad about not being attentive, quickly goes off to find the child. But instead, tragically, they come across a lifeless child who has been in a terrible accident. This person is used to being in control.

They gasp, one hand flies up to the mouth in horror as they swallow their scream. This person knew that they weren't keeping a close eye on the child and now they feel completely responsible. Oh my goodness, how will the person ever explain this to anyone?! And now, because they know they *should* (in their minds) have been more attentive and are potentially to blame, the other much-wanted child might be taken away from them! Panic ensues "OMG! What can I do? I can't let anyone know about this!". In their panic, in a bizarre spur-of-the moment decision, the person decides to hide the body of the child - so the sibling doesn't see the body, so the partner won't know what happened. This person has a lot to lose if people think the child perished on their watch.

Then, when the partner arrives to the scene, the person tells the partner that they can't find the child! The partner tells the person to call 000..... and it all snowballs from there.

This doesn't seem to make any sense to most of us. Many of us would scream, call an ambulance etc etc. But some may not scream, and in the heat of the moment, when stakes are high and thinking clouded by guilt, self-preservation and thoughts of protecting someone else (like another child), some may do things that ordinarily wouldn't make much sense. It doesn't mean that they are a sociopath/ psychopath/ cold/ callous. Just panicked and not thinking right. And then when once the lie starts it gets very, very difficult to come out later and tell the truth - especially knowing that it would bring the judgement and wrath of millions of people.

***Speculation only***

I wonder if GJ had ever considered that just one parent could be involved and not the both of them.

If he did, wouldn't he have interviewed the foster grandmother and WT's sister? He cleared them without exhausting all angles. If the MFC was out of the loop, but the GFC knew something ... I mean ... it seems premature to just clear the foster parents together or separately. I don't understand how Jubelin defends this as good policing.

It's entirely possible that Jubelin did get too close to the foster parents. It's entirely possible that despite his insistence of objectivity, that perhaps bias came into play a little bit when he analysed this fellow professional couple with good reputes in his mind. He's not infallible, and his handling examining the foster parents as suspects at the beginning is a major point of contention for me, and comes across as glaringly incomplete.

 

[mussopossum]

This is good news. They definitely need excellent representation.

I expect that nothing will come out of the hearing on Tuesday. Their lawyer will want as little as possible out in he public domain. The prosecutor and Magistrate don’t have any interest in disclosing details in open court up until trial or sentencing. In some states, family violence matters (including AVOs) are heard in closed court, so that there can be frank discussions about possible resolutions.

If the charges that have been laid of alleged assault on a FC in their care are dropped due to a not guilty verdict (for argument's sake) would it mean that the FC that was removed from their care would be returned if that was their wish? Or would said child not return or have a choice not to return to that family.

 

[Estelle]

If she was involved I’m sure she hid it, certainly in the beginning,MFC seemed totally sincere in his worry and grief during the searches, if she didn’t tell him very early, I doubt she could ever tell him later on, I doubt he would forgive her.

I wonder, since LE have been focussing on FFC in the media, if MFC never suspected anything before, how he is feeling towards her now. However, I did not expect both parents to be involved in any abuse. However, IF there was physical abuse, there was probably also emotional abuse. This type of abuse could have gone on for years or did it happen once only at the same time and on the same day?

Also I find it difficult to believe that the MFC never suspected anything for all these years. However, FFC is an excellent storyteller who has fooled LE for seven years so it is likely that he knew nothing.

 

[SleepyJoe]

FFC hires top criminal lawyer

William’s foster mum hires lawyer

I had to have a little laugh at this - hiring a lawyer who defended the Comancheros!!! I have no doubt that the lawyer is excellent and that's why she hired him, but I'm not sure I would personally want to be associated with a lawyer defending hardened criminal bikies!

 

[Deleted member 293720]

Did the railings give way? Did he fall down the stairs?

If you look at the railings, it looks very hard for a small child to fall over, let alone an adult and why would a little child want to try to climb over and when he knows he will fall down and hurt himself ? Its not as though he is trying to get into a swimming pool to play with the water

 

[mussopossum]

Not sure if this longer video has been posted earlier of the Ground-penetrating Xray machine under the house. Interesting to watch close-up of it.

What led to William Tyrrell’s disappearance and what’s happened since?

What led to William’s disappearance

 

[Gotta have Faith]

William’s foster mum hires lawyer

FM has hired top Lawyer- some pics of the back of FP