Australian couple abandon surrogate twin with Down's syndrome in Thailand

[Mrs G Norris]

Ahhhhhhhh two seconds in and we hear version number (what is it .. ) 7 now??? So the surrogate wanted the girl, there was fighting, um ok no they wanted Gammy .. OMG they are so bad at lying it doesn't even start to ring true. The bio-father is holding back anger IMO. Did these two meet on one of those sites where white guys buy asian wives? It doesn't really matter what these two say now anyway, they give us the creeps, and I think everyone hopes they do lose their daughter and someone else raises her.

HAHA they admit they wanted their money back!! Wow .. huge mistake doing this interview .. LOL!

 

[Frigga]

I trust all of you. I can't watch. Thank you for your astute observations.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Yeah don't do it to yourself Frigga .. they're just a couple of slippery little suckers. The fake tears are stomach churning. They're none too bright either.

 

[they'll get you]

I'm not sure I can bring myself to watch.

Try Frigga. Do it for the team. :therethere:

 

[they'll get you]

I don't have confidence in the authorities being vigilant about this.

If a pedophile is living in the house 24/7 that child cannot be protected.

 

[Amee]

Crocodile tears from couple over baby Gammy on 60 Minutes

Good on reporter Tara Brown for asking Mr Farnell the question we’ve all been thinking: “Did your predilection for little girls influence your decision to take your baby daughter over your son?”

The distinct impression I have is that this couple freaked out when they heard their baby had Down syndrome. They were angry they didn’t know about it early enough to end the pregnancy. They didn’t get what they ordered.

The irony is that the little boy is safe, but his sister is living with a convicted sex offender.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...my-on-60-minutes/story-fni0fhie-1227019847211


this MSM says it all to me. Tara did a fantastic job with the interview.

 

[Amee]

Ms Pattharamon, 21, earlier told Fairfax Media that Ms Farnell was not the twin’s biological mother, saying she did not supply the egg that was implanted in her before she fell pregnant.

She said the egg came from a Thai woman through a surrogacy agency.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/gammys-...r-baby-boy-20140811-102kvm.html#ixzz3A248eHZ8

 

[Walk A Mile]

Creepy, creepy man. Children are possessions, commodities. You ask for a refund if one is defective. No one wants a disabled son. Realised it was bad to sexually assault young children because he wouldn't want someone doing it to his children.

Normal people might say they felt inadequate to the task of raising a disabled child. I have a sneaking sympathy for that position, honestly. It takes courage to take on that responsibility, that life changing, scary, unknowable responsibility. Of course people will be afraid to take it on and doubt their own ability to cope. But that's not what he said. He simply didn't want a child with a defect, and asked for a refund as though it were a mass produced consumer good with a warranty.

And realised as a father that it's bad to molest children because he wouldn't want it done to his children! Not because he understands the trauma he caused those children. Not because he feels guilty for robbing little girls of their childhood. Not because be saw the consequences of his actions and understood how many people he hurt. He understands it's bad because he doesn't like the idea of other people messing with his stuff. Some undertones of self pity for all that he endured when his crimes became public knowledge.

Creepy.

 

[jjenny]

He admits he asked for a refund for the child. As if a child was a defective product he could return because he wasn't happy with it.
By the way, does he not know that abortion in Tailand is not legal?
Therefore it couldn't have been legally done.
And that's like the third version of the story I heard. The first one is that there never was a twin. Second that they were told that boy was going to die (this version came from a friend, so I presume that's what the friends were told).
The 60 minutes version is that even though he wanted a refund, and was angry that the agency didn't tell him right away that the child had Down syndrome, and would have wanted surrogate to have an abortion if it was safe, the surrogate is the one who wanted to keep the child.
Why would she want to keep the child with disability (she is poor and has several children of her own) but give them the healthy one?

 

[Ausgirl]

I never trust the words of people who sob, but don't shed any tears.... Just some notes as I watch:

"She's not under our name - we're trying desperately to get her under our name" (Farnell, from 60 Min interview):

^ So the daughter isn't legally theirs? They're not the parents on her birth cert? Is that what he's saying?

At 6:42 -- Check out Tara's expression when Farnell says "We didn't give up on him". After hearing a contradictory pile of BS.

Farnell: "I expected it would be financial.. like, "Okay then, give us back our money... the money we have given you, give it back to us now."
Tara (microexpression = scorn) "You wanted your money back."
Farnell (dramatic, agonised sigh): "It's not about the money."

Note how when pressed into an uncomfortable position, he makes the same agonised, tragic sigh.

F: "We've got quite a few Thai friends" - Oh, I bet.

Tara: "Why would she not want the healthy little girl?"

F: (eyes glazed over): "In Asian countries, the boys are very.. looked up highly."

Summary of answers re the issue of how much effort they went to, to try take Gammy back to Aus: "Lie lie lie, untruth, fudge, deflect. Lie."

T: "How much money did you send?"
F: "I can't.. remember."


T: "How many times have you called to see how your son is?"
F: (pause) We haven't.
Wendy F: *says they don't have the surrogate's phone number
F: It's been very.. stressing (always with the 'poor me' comments!!!!) I've come home from work some days and Wendy has dressed our little girl all in blue.. because she wants to remember the little boy." -- WTF.

On the child sex offenses..

T: When did you learn to be remorseful? Because the judge at the time said you showed no remorse, and that through counselling you tried to minimise your crime. When did it strike you that what you did was wrong?
F: I think.. just.. seeing my children... and thinking that if somebody did that to my children, I'd be devastated.
T: But you had children when you did it, didn't you?.
F: I know.

Interesting comment from F: "I cannot do this again". And starts using the word "tried" a LOT, as he did when grilled over his efforts re trying to take Gammy home (which were of course, non-existent) - I find that a bit disturbing.

I wonder how many "business trips" to Thailand he's made over the years.

 

[Brightbird]

Honestly, I tried to look for some redeeming feature in that interview. I mean, with his background and the mess they're in now, I knew I'd be biased. Ausgirl, I had the same reaction as you to "We've got quite a few Thai friends". I feel so judgemental but he came across so ick. Even the way he spoke, it seemed like maybe he spoke slowly and clearly because his wife's English was not very good. But it also made him seem fake and I thought, yeah this is the persona you've been practising to hide your real self. Like it was a learnt way of interacting with people. Perhaps that's where his 'counselling' came in handy. He spoke about people like they were objects, and my impression was of a man who really does not understand people and how they tick. And he blames other people for his problems and has a justification for everything. Maybe that's too much assumption based on one interview, but that's what I thought anyway. When he said that bit about the refund, I had my hands covering my face like I was watching a horror movie. Why did they do the interview? It backfired so badly.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Should baby Gammy's sex abuse dad be allowed near children?

9NEWS.com.au asked three experts in the field to give their view.


HETTY JOHNSTON, founder of child abuse victims' charity Bravehearts:

"It is rubbish. He is still not facing up to it. He has a problem. These are not minor offences. These are serious offences."

"If he falls off that wagon that child is going to pay a price for the rest of her life."


PROF TONY VINSON, former head of NSW Corrective Services:

"There is a need for extreme caution.
[Rehabilitation of sex offenders] is the most difficult question in the whole field of criminology."



VANESSA THOMPSON, associate member of the Australia and New Zealand Association for the Treatment of Sexual Abuse:

"Somebody can go through a treatment program and learn nothing from it. Other people can make tremendous changes."


http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...-be-allowed-near-children#IdOvpUGa2tuDCjlZ.99


IMO, what is disturbing is how this man lies continually, he changes it to whatever he thinks the other person wants to hear. Even if he's a coldhearted s.o.b, stand his ground but he doesn't, so in relation to his past 'behaviour', he is a slimy, devious character who cannot be trusted. I hope he hasn't gained such a 'good' reputation in the town that his victims are too scared to come forward. :thinking:

 

[Oddsocks]

Wow. He is a smarmy liar. And a bad one at that. I've watched half of the first segment.

 

[Ausgirl]

All I could think of by the end of it was 'imagine being a little 5yo girl and having THAT sexually molest you."

I will never in this life understand a woman who can get into bed every night with a man who has raped children.

They both make my skin crawl.

 

[Ausgirl]

Wow. He is a smarmy liar. And a bad one at that. I've watched half of the first segment.

Tell me how you you felt, when you get to bit where he whispers, Oddsocks. I literally wanted to go wash myself.

 

[catswhiskers]

I just watched the segment - a shocker of an interview really. How frustrating for Tara, with all those silences and gaps between questions and answers - it wasn't good tv material at all really. In most cases I try to give parents being interviewed on camera the benefit of doubt, as I do believe most average people are like stunned mullets when being interviewed on camera - it's not a skill that is natural to everybody. But that was just dreadful to watch - and I don't know if it's because he was making up almost every answer on the fly, or he was genuinely terrified. I did note that he seemed to muster a few tears at the end of the segment, but the cynic in me is thinking that was because he was talking about himself and his past bad deeds at that point. I wonder if his extended family (including his older children) were all aware of his background previously? He'd be rightly ashamed if he has hidden this info from them for decades.
They were lucky to have Tara interview them - she handled them very gently considering the subject matter. I think any other less sensitive journalist would have hammered them.

 

[BatWoman]

He came across to me as someone not particularly interested in adult women, if i didn't know better i'd have sworn he was gay. Perhaps the wife is just there for respectability but they don't actually live as husband and wife. Maybe she agreed to play the part of wife on the condition that she could have a perfect child to keep her company. I don't know if the girl is in danger because he doesn't seem to rape his own children. But my sense is that there's something definitely not quite right with him. MOO and hopefully not incurring of modwrath.

 

[Ausgirl]

I agree, thought Tara did a bang-up job of that interview. Very skilful handling.

 

[they'll get you]

Wow. He is a smarmy liar. And a bad one at that. I've watched half of the first segment.

All I could think of by the end of it was 'imagine being a little 5yo girl and having THAT sexually molest you."

I will never in this life understand a woman who can get into bed every night with a man who has raped children.

They both make my skin crawl.

Tell me how you you felt, when you get to bit where he whispers, Oddsocks. I literally wanted to go wash myself.

Anybody else feel you were being groomed?

 

[they'll get you]

He came across to me as someone not particularly interested in adult women, if i didn't know better i'd have sworn he was gay. Perhaps the wife is just there for respectability but they don't actually live as husband and wife. Maybe she agreed to play the part of wife on the condition that she could have a perfect child to keep her company. I don't know if the girl is in danger because he doesn't seem to rape his own children. But my sense is that there's something definitely not quite right with him. MOO and hopefully not incurring of modwrath.

GAY!
Kinda bit like a Dennis ferguson, just different.......