AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #7

[Sunshine95]

2 thoughts: Maybe bf did call roommate at that time, and had also called her earlier to say AS is on her way home. Maybe he had something different to say at 3:30? Or ulterior motive? Is it significant that the roommates IIRC recalled the time because the bf told them, not because they checked their phones themselves? I want to believe he is a great guy, but also know the stats that killers are usually close to the victims...

Also, looking at expected behavior- would George pick up a stranger right after and dispose of differently? Would roommates clean up if they had something to hide? Just to think outside the box, insert meth, LSD or something like bath salts. If anyone was taking any of these, expected behavior is moot. Insane behavior, complete disconnect with reality, and the ability to think logically goes out the window...

I still wonder if the boy with the crush has any ideas, noticed anything or anyone?

Hmmm....

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Being new here, I'm not sure what I can say or question in regards to suspects. So, if I am doing something against tos, please let me know and I will be glad to delete this or have a moderator do so.
I am personally torn between something happening before the car accident or something happening on the walk to the am/pm. That's two entirely different scenarios: going from something happened and whatever it was, it was not from a stranger. The other being is a "stranger" abduction, and I am wondering if anyone has thought of the possibility of this being a local, say a route driver? Someone that would drive that route for work and was familiar with the entire area, but doesn't live in the immediate area where Adrienne was found?
JMO

I'm leaning towards a stranger abduction. I like your idea about someone who drives thru the area on a regular basis.

 

[gngr~snap]

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I believe imho that Adrienne's wreck was a set up. I believe she endured some sort of cranial damage.

I believe she had passed before the wreck. I believe this person intended on making it look like Adrienne met her demise via accidental death and not homicide.

It was an effort, IMHO, to turn a homicide to accident.

I believe there had to be another female then aiding in calling the cab company from Salinas's phone. I think this female was able to sneak into Salinas's room and use her pink charger (bc her phone was dead and had been called from anotger phone to locate it - which explains the 21 calls before the 11 to the bf) I think that female even took the pink charger with her.

For me, the female in the Oreilly's video isn't salinas, but maybe the female who had used Salinas's phone and helped the person trying to cover up Salinas's homicide.

As soon as the cabbie called at 4:53 to say he was almost there and on his way, one minute later that "unidentified" car leaves the circle K lot and drives through Oreilly's at 4:54 on CCTV.

They knew they sealed their alibi of the idea of A being alive DURING and AFTER the wreck.

All IMHO. Morning all

This is what I believe as well.
There wasn't supposed to be a witness that stopped, when they did the plan was aborted.
IMO

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[2Hip2BSquare]

2 thoughts: Maybe bf did call roommate at that time, and had also called her earlier to say AS is on her way home. Maybe he had something different to say at 3:30? Or ulterior motive? Is it significant that the roommates IIRC recalled the time because the bf told them, not because they checked their phones themselves? I want to believe he is a great guy, but also know the stats that killers are usually close to the victims...

Also, looking at expected behavior- would George pick up a stranger right after and dispose of differently? Would roommates clean up if they had something to hide? Just to think outside the box, insert meth, LSD or something like bath salts. If anyone was taking any of these, expected behavior is moot. Insane behavior, complete disconnect with reality, and the ability to think logically goes out the window...

I still wonder if the boy with the crush has any ideas, noticed anything or anyone?

Hmmm....

Which roommate?

Adrienne's or her boyfriends roomie?

 

[cluciano63]

I'm leaning towards a stranger abduction. I like your idea about someone who drives thru the area on a regular basis.

Me too. The way she was disposed of strikes me as someone unconnected to her in any way, not caring if she was ever found. I just don't see that behavior from a friend, acquaintance, roommate, etc. or as a cover for an overdose, accidental death or crime of passion. It seems much more like a sexual predator to me, much like Mickey's murder. Grab her, drive some miles away from abduction site, and then dispose of her body. JMO

 

[Kuifje]

Me thinks everything up to her walking towards the AMPM is as it is.
Car wreck and all ... happened as it has been reported.

No foul play there...

Why not?
From the 'Media and timeline thread':
"4:10-4:50 a.m.-- Salinas calls boyfriend 32 times but he doesn’t answer, tells cops he was sleeping".

Surely, a perp in control of her phone may have thought it'd be smart to impersonate her, use her phone, ... put in some calls and texts, and make it look like she was still in control of her phone at that time... but I can't imagine that perp calling the bf 32 times within 40 minutes.

One can expect this behaviour from a person in distress, not from a perp trying to be smart and throw LE off his/her tracks...

But, that's just me and my opinion.

(I've cried today.... it had been a while... but I did cry... )

 

[Arione]

Along with the idea of a route driver, it's possible that the driver said that they were going in the direction of Scottsdale, perhaps even after a delivery in AJ, if she wanted a ride. And she felt safe because it was someone who worked in her neighborhood and that person was in a "company" vehicle. Just throwing out ideas here.
JMO

 

[GGE]

I surely do wish LE could find her phone.

 

[Sunshine95]

Which roommate?

Adrienne's or her boyfriends roomie?

Adrienne's.... but now you have me wondering about bf's roommates... hmmm thanks!

 

[Sunshine95]

Being new here, I'm not sure what I can say or question in regards to suspects. So, if I am doing something against tos, please let me know and I will be glad to delete this or have a moderator do so.
I am personally torn between something happening before the car accident or something happening on the walk to the am/pm. That's two entirely different scenarios: going from something happened and whatever it was, it was not from a stranger. The other being is a "stranger" abduction, and I am wondering if anyone has thought of the possibility of this being a local, say a route driver? Someone that would drive that route for work and was familiar with the entire area, but doesn't live in the immediate area where Adrienne was found?
JMO

This takes me back to the circle k driver in the report that didn't recognize, but did recognize, and the peculiarities of the dates... sorry, don't have those posts to quote right now- my son is hungry so gotta run for a bit. Does anyone recall the posts or page of the police report to refer to?

 

[Bernina]

This is what I believe as well.
There wasn't supposed to be a witness that stopped, when they did the plan was aborted.
IMO

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FA didn't know that the witness to the wreck had called it in to LE. His call to roomates does not fit with the accident time.

Now, let's play Devil's Advocate or It may Look, Sound and Act like a Duck, but it Isn't:

JMO: What if....

The roomates had their phones on Rez/Daylight savings time
Responding LE to the apt needs their eyes checked
Mr. MJ, SD's "buddy" is married so his statement has been held back and not listed in "Subjects". MJ works for the CIA
Nobody passed the LDT, LE punked everyone on that tidbit
All those at the party did not drink or indulge in illicit substances, they were selling Tupperware, therefore they have total recall
LE narratives have been written by LE who lack typing skills so the narratives are chock full of mistakes. They need to invest in "Spell Check" and use sippy cups for coffee while they're typing
Witness to accident actually caused accident, secreted Adrienne's car, and made a cover story. Because she is in Witness Protection, the US Marshall's are in on the cover up
AMPM, nothing here, keep walking
You must believe Nancy Grace because she NEVER lies
Nancy Grace's guests NEVER lie
Even though the area of University and Hardy is apprx 60% Hispanic, you must believe Adrienne is the only chica with short shorts
All the calls from Adrienne's phone to FA were caused by "derriere dialing"

I hope I covered everything pertinent and remained well within the TOS.
JMO

 

[Sunshine95]

https://az.gov/app/sows/Zipcode.xhtml?zipcodeId=85219&orderUM=lastName+asc&orderIn=lastName+asc&orderUV=lastName+asc&orderOut=lastName+asc&cid=151145

Ok, not sure if the link will work, and hoping it is okay to post this. if not, please let me know and tell me how to remove it. :blushing: I entered the zip code for Apache Junction in the RSO registry and found a map.

 

[prospektor]

:anguish:
Work with me here! If FA's phone had the incorrect time, why did he show it to LE? The rez? Daylight savings? FA is a care taker for an elderly woman, I think having the correct time would be significant ie., "Medication Time".
I can understand playing "Devil's Advocate", but can we just stay with what we have? :banghead:

:sigh: Prospektor......you're killin' me! :scared:

JMO

Okay. Caretaker etc. obviously doesn't count since it's not in the report
We know there's tons of stuff that might directly contradict or amend stuff that is mentioned in what we got. I mean, there's nothing in there mentioning the roomies being drunk out of their mind, so we should assume they weren't. If we assume they were, why not assume FA was so distressed about being questioned in the disappearance of his gf that he forgot having a wrong time, an additional call or similar? If the roomies were drunk, maybe he was as well, and at some point accidentally dialed the number (don't you complain, it's still more likely than UFOs).

Where does this approach lead us? The roommates DID say in the report that they saw and talked to Adrienne AFTER FA informed them. They didn't say they can't remember, they gave details. If LE had any reason to doubt them, the more reason for MJ to be questioned. But that's not in the report, so LE obviously thought their statements are fine and reliable.

But I guess we won't get anywhere with my refusal to take the report literally and ignore the possibility of errors. Let's concentrate on another mystery instead:

Page 10, last paragraph: SD confirmed that SD's wallet did not appear to be present in the room. Did Adrienne steal it? Is there a motive? An annoying roomie, just got out of the car and walked home, went right upstairs into the empty bedroom, tries to steal some money for some pot to calm down, is caught by the roomies and in a fit of rage beaten to death with the wallet. Roomies drag her to her car, throw her into the trunk, one drives off while the other keeps the guests busy. But in panic there's the accident, car gets dropped off, they get another and dump the body and the murder weapon (the wallet, possibly very heavy with lots of coins and stuff). They decide to frame FA, make the calls to him and the cab, then destroy the phone. They make up their story, straighten up their timeline and place her return an hour earlier, because it makes more sense and it would also throw FA's account further in doubt. They also mess up their apartment and have their pets pee everywhere, in an attempt to make it harder for LE to find evidence or (HR) dogs to pick up a scent.

The only remaining question: How did they get her body out of the apartment? I seem to remember she was rather light compared to her roomies, did they just walk the body out the door? ("Oh, she just needs some fresh air, she's sleepy.")
Or did they put her ... in a large overnight bag? DUN DUN DUN

The missing wallet was their downfall. :jail:

 

[cluciano63]

Now, many people assumed that the missing wallet was Adrienne's and the report had a typo. And we know the time on the video was wrong. So I am not convinced that the rest of the report is error-free or that all times are accurate. JMO

 

[Bernina]

Okay. Caretaker etc. obviously doesn't count since it's not in the report
We know there's tons of stuff that might directly contradict or amend stuff that is mentioned in what we got. I mean, there's nothing in there mentioning the roomies being drunk out of their mind, so we should assume they weren't. If we assume they were, why not assume FA was so distressed about being questioned in the disappearance of his gf that he forgot having a wrong time, an additional call or similar? If the roomies were drunk, maybe he was as well, and at some point accidentally dialed the number (don't you complain, it's still more likely than UFOs).

Where does this approach lead us? The roommates DID say in the report that they saw and talked to Adrienne AFTER FA informed them. They didn't say they can't remember, they gave details. If LE had any reason to doubt them, the more reason for MJ to be questioned. But that's not in the report, so LE obviously thought their statements are fine and reliable.

But I guess we won't get anywhere with my refusal to take the report literally and ignore the possibility of errors. Let's concentrate on another mystery instead:

Page 10, last paragraph: SD confirmed that SD's wallet did not appear to be present in the room. Did Adrienne steal it? Is there a motive? An annoying roomie, just got out of the car and walked home, went right upstairs into the empty bedroom, tries to steal some money for some pot to calm down, is caught by the roomies and in a fit of rage beaten to death with the wallet. Roomies drag her to her car, throw her into the trunk, one drives off while the other keeps the guests busy. But in panic there's the accident, car gets dropped off, they get another and dump the body and the murder weapon (the wallet, possibly very heavy with lots of coins and stuff). They decide to frame FA, make the calls to him and the cab, then destroy the phone. They make up their story, straighten up their timeline and place her return an hour earlier, because it makes more sense and it would also throw FA's account further in doubt. They also mess up their apartment and have their pets pee everywhere, in an attempt to make it harder for LE to find evidence or (HR) dogs to pick up a scent.

The only remaining question: How did they get her body out of the apartment? I seem to remember she was rather light compared to her roomies, did they just walk the body out the door? ("Oh, she just needs some fresh air, she's sleepy.")
Or did they put her ... in a large overnight bag? DUN DUN DUN

The missing wallet was their downfall. :jail:

BINGO! They dropped her out the 2nd story bedroom window under the cover of darkness using tied bedsheets!!!!!! And the case is solved! :floorlaugh:

 

[prospektor]

This takes me back to the circle k driver in the report that didn't recognize, but did recognize, and the peculiarities of the dates... sorry, don't have those posts to quote right now- my son is hungry so gotta run for a bit. Does anyone recall the posts or page of the police report to refer to?

Yup, it was pages 31 and 32 of the report.
I really hope LE found her clothes. I'd like to know if she indeed was wearing a light/white shorts.

 

[GGE]

I'm stuck at the point between when she arrived home after getting out of her BF's car and walking the rest of the way home and was "calmly upset" but not crying, and the point when Duggan came downstairs with Jennings and saw Adrienne so upset and crying so much that Duggan said she was more upset than she'd ever seen Adrienne before.

While Adrienne was sitting down and waiting to get into her bedroom, I think it's very possible that somebody did something and/or said something so incredibly hurtful and/or inappropriate and/or threatening that she got more upset than Duggan had ever seen her, prompting her to leave ASAP and drive like a bat outta hell to the extent she got into a wreck, and I think whatever happened involved someone at the party which IMO would explain why she went back in and back out so quietly and quickly after her wreck that nobody there sees her... she was IMO avoiding the person who upset her so badly. Also explains calling the cab to the AM/PM rather than waiting around to catch it from her apartment.

It would explain her desperation to get her BF on the phone.. .to come and take care of the problem man, save her from the person who she felt threatened or hurt or harassed by, get her out of the situation and help her as well.

I think, IMO, that she really did get THAT close to getting to the cab.... but the person in their vehicle caught up to her first, and whatever happened next was probably not meant to end in homicide or murder but that is exactly what ended up happening.

all JMO

 

[Bernina]

SEVERE Thunderstorm Warning for Maricopa County...hope LE found things in the wash the last 10-11 days, but the rain may uncover more.

 

[prospektor]

Now, many people assumed that the missing wallet was Adrienne's and the report had a typo. And we know the time on the video was wrong. So I am not convinced that the rest of the report is error-free or that all times are accurate. JMO

Yup, I assume so, too. Makes much more sense. But IIRC, it was later mentioned that she did not have her wallet with her, so maybe they found it. I'd be surprised if LE didn't send a team over there to bag some stuff, like the clothes she changed after the accident.
The stuff we don't know drives me crazy. E.g., how LE could be so sure she came back to her apartment after the accident, even though nobody saw her. I hope this gets solved quickly and we learn everything.

 

[SandSage]

SEVERE Thunderstorm Warning for Maricopa County...hope LE found things in the wash the last 10-11 days, but the rain may uncover more.

Just received the alert on my phone. I am hopeful the rain works in our FAVOR.