AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #7

[2Hip2BSquare]

Thanks to everyone who provided such warm welcomes!

Honestly, the more and more I think about it - I'm convinced she ran into a predator that night. Whether registered or not. I understand it was 5 AM, and it seems unlikely that someone would still be out "stalking" for their "prey" - but stranger things have happened. To me, Adrianne's movements & decisions that night were too unpredictable & erratic to afford someone she knew a moment of opportunity to take advantage of her.

If the boyfriend is to be the main suspect, you would think he would have tried harder to keep her in his vehicle the first time. Remember she jumped out of his vehicle - and he, after the fact, returned her phone to her.

Also, it was her idea, after arriving back home, to go back to her boyfriend's house. She packed an overnight bag, she got in her car & drove away.

The cab driver would be the next "person of interest" - and it seems to me that LE has done a thorough job of trying to clear him. I try to remind myself - she called the cab company.

- I don't find the fact that she mentioned her tires to the cab company the least bit unusual. This may be, because:

- I don't think she was trying to "cover-up" her car accident. I think it happened so close to her home, that she was simply attempting to drive the vehicle back to her apartment on damaged tires.

- I think she was changing her clothes simply to change her clothes. Maybe she wanted to wear something more comfortable. After all, she had been drinking that night, got into an argument that night, had been in a single-vehicle at-fault car accident that night, and it was now 5 AM. Who wouldn't want to stop home, if given the opportunity, to freshen-up/change?

What if someone just happened to be driving by, and saw a pretty young girl, by herself at 5 AM - and offered her a free ride? She was headed towards a cab, sure - but a cab she would have to pay for. Keep in mind she just flattened two tires on her car...

Hell, if I were any bit younger & less wise - I might've considered the offer also.

Once again, all of this is my opinion - I don't have any credentials and/or education that gives me any greater advantage towards drawing conclusions. However, I have taken the route Adrianne was supposed to of taken that night a few times now, and this is the "feeling" I get.

Thing is for me... Typically in 2 out of 3 cases and up to 80% of abusive/homicidal/sexual offenses against women are from someone the female victim knew (I think someone here even provided a link saying 96%)

That's why I keep coming back to someone she knew and not stranger abduction.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Oh no... Gun shots at elementary school in my hometown back in GA McNair elementary.

Ok back to you Kodi and Nichole and Clu and Balaney and GGE and Prospektor and WideOpen and windy101... And yeah!

 

[kodi]

Thanks to everyone who provided such warm welcomes!

Honestly, the more and more I think about it - I'm convinced she ran into a predator that night. Whether registered or not. I understand it was 5 AM, and it seems unlikely that someone would still be out "stalking" for their "prey" - but stranger things have happened. To me, Adrianne's movements & decisions that night were too unpredictable & erratic to afford someone she knew a moment of opportunity to take advantage of her.

If the boyfriend is to be the main suspect, you would think he would have tried harder to keep her in his vehicle the first time. Remember she jumped out of his vehicle - and he, after the fact, returned her phone to her.

Also, it was her idea, after arriving back home, to go back to her boyfriend's house. She packed an overnight bag, she got in her car & drove away.

The cab driver would be the next "person of interest" - and it seems to me that LE has done a thorough job of trying to clear him. I try to remind myself - she called the cab company.

- I don't find the fact that she mentioned her tires to the cab company the least bit unusual. This may be, because:

- I don't think she was trying to "cover-up" her car accident. I think it happened so close to her home, that she was simply attempting to drive the vehicle back to her apartment on damaged tires.

- I think she was changing her clothes simply to change her clothes. Maybe she wanted to wear something more comfortable. After all, she had been drinking that night, got into an argument that night, had been in a single-vehicle at-fault car accident that night, and it was now 5 AM. Who wouldn't want to stop home, if given the opportunity, to freshen-up/change?

What if someone just happened to be driving by, and saw a pretty young girl, by herself at 5 AM - and offered her a free ride? She was headed towards a cab, sure - but a cab she would have to pay for. Keep in mind she just flattened two tires on her car...

Hell, if I were any bit younger & less wise - I might've considered the offer also.

Once again, all of this is my opinion - I don't have any credentials and/or education that gives me any greater advantage towards drawing conclusions. However, I have taken the route Adrianne was supposed to of taken that night a few times now, and this is the "feeling" I get.

Great post, Nichole! :rockon:

 

[Wendy101]

This has been the little itch in my brain I haven't been able to scratch as well.

Hinky meter at all time high. Who was that girl?!

If it was the BF it would have to be one of the female roomates that helped him cover..
IMO.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

If it was the BF it would have to be one of the female roomates that helped him cover..
IMO.

For me all I think is it could be any female the BF knows. Maybe she was even at the party that night stepping in and out and was able to slip back into the party to grab Adrienne's pink charger so she could make the calls from A's phone. IMO.

 

[NicholeWilliams]

Thing is for me... Typically in 2 out of 3 cases and up to 80% of abusive/homicidal/sexual offenses against women are from someone the female victim knew (I think someone here even provided a link saying 96%)

That's why I keep coming back to someone she knew and not stranger abduction.

Absolutely - and I couldn't agree more. However, random attacks DO occur - however unlikely they are.

To be honest, I'll be completely surprised if either the boyfriend or the cab driver is apprehended in connection with the case. Furthermore, I'll owe all of you a sincere apology for listening to my rants, all of which pointed in the opposite direction.

I just think/feel - if you're going to kill someone you know - you're going to either plan it out more "perfectly," or make a tremendous wealth of "in-the-heat-of-the-moment" mistakes. People the victim knew are always the first people looked at - starting with those closest to the victim, moving out towards those who last had contact with the victim.

 

[WideOpen]

Thanks cab guy for this info!

First, what this suggests to me, is that this should hopefully lay to rest the speculation that somebody else crashed her car. She said in the VM that *she* just blew out her tires in an accident. At least that's good enough for me, JMO.

Second, when I read this, it suggests *IMO* that she made this phone call very shortly after her accident, or at least that the accident was the most recent event to occur prior to her making the phone call. I say that because, IMO, if I had an accident and blew out my tires and then FOR EXAMPLE (I realize this didn't happen in this case, just using it to illustrate my point) went home and changed my clothes and was harassed by someone who I felt was threatening me and got into an argument about it an left feeling scared and angry, and THEN called a cab, then ME PERSONALLY - I would probably say I needed a cab because there was some scary creep following me or something like that... like... the most eventful big thing to happen to me would be more likely to get mentioned if anything at all... all JMO of course...

And I mean really how many people tell the cab company WHY they need a cab in the first place? It seems to me, IMO, that would be something someone is likely to mention if it in some way plays into their *IMMEDIATE* need for the cab, rather than just incidentally hey like 45 minutes ago I got into a wreck before going home and stuff...

I don't know, I"m sure I"m over-thinking as usual!

ETA: Her accident was supposed to have been at 3:44am, she left the scene, drove for a bit, and parked it...
we also know she called her BF a bunch of times between 4:11 and 4:17, then she called the cab for the first time at, IIRC, 4:23am. So far that all makes good sense to me, timeline-wise, I guess....

just thinking out loud, sorry ... not sure I"ve made any points at all...

Your mind is sharp as a tack.

jmo

 

[hayaletcatcher]

Oh Adrienne

Just logged in for first time in days and seen this has moved, guess I have a lot of catching up to do. Ugh.

 

[Kimster]

Don't be sleuthin' people not named as suspects. :nono:

 

[NicholeWilliams]

IMHO and theory, Adrienne left the party with her boyfriend to get in his car and argue further away from everyone else. I think they started arguing intensely, and the BF pulled off somewhere and ended up hitting her or shooting her in the temple/head out of frustration and possible intoxication. She did not come to. (yes his Instagram showed multiple rounds of ammo and bullets in pics, among other alarming objects)

He freaks out. So he heads up
To his place with A still in his car and parks it with A in the trunk. He calls his female roomie and tells her what happened.

He told her what happened with A and she told him it was obviously an accident, but he is still worried as it was an assault on his part.

So she helps him devise a plan to cover it up. She helps him decide to keep his phone at the apartment and turn it off. She let's him know that she knew A's keys were there at the party, so maybe she could set up a car wreck. I think she might have a parent involved in gang activity who helped her devise this plan.

She tries to wreck the car, but the witness threatens her ability to dI this conspicuously.

She then decides she needs A's phone to place A at the scene of the wreck, but she can't find it. She calls the phone 21 times to try and locate it in A's room during the party. She drops the keys back off at this point. She finally is able to find it, but all the calls killed the battery. Enter the pink charger.

She checks her own personal smart phone for a cab company and it pulls up the closest company to her apartment in Scottsdale. She calls and leaves a message. She is nervous and intent on setting up this false alibi, so she calls the same company again to try and set it up. It wasn't about a ride or getting to Scottsdale quick, it was about just getting that call in and making sure a driver was indeed confirmed to be en route.

She then walks to the circle K, where she gets in a car with a ride. I'm thinking maybe that ride is her brother or dad - someone very close to
Her. I don't think Fran was down there after he went up to Scottsdale.

IMO.

south to Tempe in her car and

But didn't Adrianne walk back to her apartment, after exiting her boyfriend's vehicle on Mill Avenue?

He (her boyfriend) called her roommate to let her know Adrianne was headed back home, on foot. The roommate left to look for her on her bicycle, couldn't find her, found Adrianne already home when she returned.

They then spoke for a bit on the grass in front of the apartment, when Adrianne decided she was going to go back to her boyfriend's house.

 

[WideOpen]

The VM was heard after the fact I believe.

No one returned the VM for some time so she called again and was able to reach dispatch and leave a message with dispatch for her pick up and drop off locations etc. the voicemail from her wasn't heard until after the fact by cab guy when he was clearing VM.

What interests me was WHY was she so intent on contacting this particular cab company? Why not just call another cab company to pick you up assuming the other is busy and would give you a longer waiting time for it to arrive? Didn't she want to get up there quickly???? So why call a cab company that will take forever to get her as it was based in a different city?

The company was based in Scottsdale. Who lives in Scottsdale that would use Adrienne's phone to set up a false alibi with a cab company?

If I looked up cab companies for my local area on my phone in Tempe, It would pull up the closest local company - NOT some random company out in Scottsdale. It's as if *someone* had looked up the company on a separate phone that listed businesses around the suspects usual home-base/residence in Scottsdale.
IMO.


Scottsdale!!!!!!!!!

What you are assuming isn't necessarily true. Its complicated for me to explain but you can use advertising, key word, google reviews, social media, etc...to raise your rank on the search engines and even mobile devices can pull in more business by mobile advertising. When I searched from my computer for "Cab Tempe Arizona" scottsdale cab guy came up 2nd. Is the term search engine optimization? Our company is having some issues with this at the moment, we want to be 1st on the page and there are things we are doing through the internet to get more hits.

So, IMO the fact she called them is not unusual.
Maybe she called several companies and she booked more than one. She would just take the first one to arrive. This happens.
I feel like we have had this convo before.

jmo

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Don't be sleuthin' people not named as suspects. :nono:

I thought we can sleuth as long as we don't name names?

The bf and cab driver have been backtracked and are being looked at again btw.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

From someone who has read ALL of the original news reports vs. updated news reports in this case from the very beginning... I will say the RF and SD's statements changed completely one month after A's disappearance.

The first reports quoted SD as being the last person to see A, and she wasn't even sure what time it was she saw her or if it was before she went to Scottsdale w boyfriend or before the wreck.

We all discussed, to a great length, how SD's accounts as well as the other partygoers were essentially not credible given they all were so intoxicated and mentally absent.

Then all of the sudden boom! RF Was on a bike actively searching. And the phone was given to her. And SD did actually all the sudden remember A was back at the house and was upset before the wreck... Etc etc etc.

 

[Bernina]

Don't be sleuthin' people not named as suspects. :nono:

"Pooley said no suspects have been named, and no one has been ruled out in the disappearance of Salinas, including her boyfriend and the cab driver."

http://www.kpho.com/story/23145039/remains-found-in-wash-identified-as-adrienne-salinas

Kind of a "WS Catch 22"? There isn't but there is...... :scared:

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

^^^ pooley needs to be more specific. Guess he can't bc of investigation. Tricia had stated to us that cab driver was low on their "list of suspects". So I'm guessing the cab driver and bf were suspectS?

 

[DocBrew]

So her call to the cab company supposedly wasn't at all memorable yet it is somehow remembered in remarkable detail by the cab owner, who wasn't on shift and who didn't take the call, and who just happened to delete it? Calling BS on that one.

 

[cluciano63]

If the BF is guilty, he will be arrested eventually. Same with cab driver. They can work with pings, GPS, witness statements, more interviews, etc.

The bigger challenge to LE is the anonymous, unknown perp. How will they find such a person, who, in my opinion, is more likely to be this type of killer?

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

So her call to the cab company supposedly wasn't at all memorable yet it is somehow remembered in remarkable detail by the cab owner, who wasn't on shift and who didn't take the call, and who just happened to delete it? Calling BS on that one.

She called and left VM at dispatch. She then called again and got dispatch and set up the cab. Dispatch didn't note of the voicemail bc it was negated by her follow up call for a ride. So it was at that point just a spam voicemail that needed to be deleted. His dad who owns the company didn't hear the voicemail until the following day or so. The cab driver never would have heard that voicemail. Only the dispatch operator.

 

[mamacita]

Maybe her BF had used this cab company before, since he lives in Scottsdale. Maybe she had the number in her phone.

i hope LE has checked history to see if ANY of the party-goers that they have identified have ever used that cab service!

great thinking clu!

 

[balaney]

How many people and what people exactly state they SAW Adrienne after she left with her boyfriend?