AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #7

[GGE]

Just wanted to say, RE: human trafficking. I was over on another thread, and brought up human trafficking and had my head handed to me on a platter. Boi.

All my stats appeared to be illrelevant as there really isn't human trafficking. And those 105 kids I brought up that were recovered in the nationwide FBI sting didn't count because most of them were throw away kids, who were probably given away by their foster parents. So I get nervous when we start taking about th merits of human trafficking.

I had to be at WS for many months before I could even wrap my brain around it. If the word "trafficking" was involved then surely the word "drug" came before it, in my mind. People aren't that sick, the united states wouldn't let that happen, nobody could be so cruel, this isn't a third world country - the reasons I kept trying to convince myself with worked for a long time.

You can't convince someone the world isn't flat, IMO, you can only say "oh yeah? show me the edge" and wait for them to realize for themselves, IMO

 

[seattlechiquita]

I had to be at WS for many months before I could even wrap my brain around it. If the word "trafficking" was involved then surely the word "drug" came before it, in my mind. People aren't that sick, the united states wouldn't let that happen, nobody could be so cruel, this isn't a third world country - the reasons I kept trying to convince myself with worked for a long time.

You can't convince someone the world isn't flat, IMO, you can only say "oh yeah? show me the edge" and wait for them to realize for themselves, IMO

What? The world is NOT flat? I've been lied to again!!


Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[GGE]

What? The world is NOT flat? I've been lied to again!!


Sorry, couldn't resist.

Hey, if you liked that one, wait till you find out about Reefer Madness!

 

[Seajay]

WTH!?!? Some folks rather remain ignorant and pretend it doesn't happen. I for one am not that naive.

Yeh, it was cra cra. I tried to talk about stats that John Walsh had mentioned, that everyone thinks human trafficking happens in 3rd world countries but in fact the United States have more of it than any other nation. I was shocked. I would have never considered it.

 

[Dee10]

Personally, I don't think there are enough clues for me to make an educated guess unfortunately. I am leaning towards perhaps a delivery guy like on page 31 & 32, or a simi-acquaintance that may have seen her & pulled over. When she said she "would be there in a minute", I tend to think she was very close, but talking to someone. :waiting: Heard on the news in the last couple days there is a rapist around the Boston area driving a fake cab and has raped two women so far... But, if this were the case I think there would be other rapes reported, before escalating to murder.

 

[popsicle]

Yeh, it was cra cra. I tried to talk about stats that John Walsh had mentioned, that everyone thinks human trafficking happens in 3rd world countries but in fact the United States have more of it than any other nation. I was shocked. I would have never considered it.

I think that was on the Alexis Murphy thread.

 

[NicholeWilliams]

Rest well, everyone.
I'll be back to stretch the "theory muscles" again tomorrow.

 

[Seajay]

I think that was on the Alexis Murphy thread.

Yes it was. You saw it too huh??

 

[Seajay]

So if we totally take the cab guy and the bf out of the equation, what is left??? I'd like to know what LE found with Adrienne before I go in any other direction.

With all that went on that night, I'm not feeling it's a stranger abduction. I mean, with the kind of night she had, wouldn't that be the be all and end all that it culminated in her being kidnapped and murdered???

 

[Bernina]

So if we totally take the cab guy and the bf out of the equation, what is left??? I'd like to know what LE found with Adrienne before I go in any other direction.

With all that went on that night, I'm not feeling it's a stranger abduction. I mean, with the kind of night she had, wouldn't that be the be all and end all that it cuminated in her being kidnapped and murdered???

I thought the general consensus was Mexican Drug Cartel Human Traffickers got her? :scared:

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Weekes Wash is the wash Adrienne's body was found by. That wash is directly connected to the bridge that runs over the wash near canyon lake.

http://uglybridges.com/1035517

It is an open access bridge.

If I were the perp I wouldn't stop to bury her body near all those possibly witnesses/houses near lost Dutchman and goldfield. I would go all the way up to that bridge and quickly get out and drop her and keep going.

Below I have drawn a line that Weekes wash essentially runs the length of. The blue dot is the bridge above Weekes wash.

I still believe with all my heart she was dropped into the water from that bridge.
The pressure when flooding could very well have dislodged her body from the corner of that embankment and thrust her all the way down to apache junction area.

 

[LadyL]

Of course, by now we all agree that LE tells the public just a fraction of what they know. Let me tell you a little more about that released video of the Cab Driver arriving at the meet spot that may help clarify why the cops cleared the driver and also why they are unlikely to put him back on their list to investigate.
There were 4 cameras at that am/pm, and LE released just a few seconds of video from just one of those cameras. What they saw on those other cameras helped them clear the Cab Driver, and it was stuff that nobody else, including you saw.
When Tom drove up to the gas station, he headed directly to the front entrance of the store. He was rushing to pick up a passenger and he didn't want to miss her. He drove in front of the glass doors, looked through the doors and saw that there was no female waiting inside or out. This is the part you saw. What you didn't see was that after he moved past the front door and out of the video frame, he drove directly to the parking spaces on the University side of the gas station. He parked there, a common place for cabbies to park, and got out of his car, looked around, and much to his fathers disappointment, lit up a cigarette (I hate those things). While he smoked he stood next to his car and watched to see if anyone came around that might be his female passenger. Nobody came, so he put his cig. out, made a few calls, and got in his car and left. All this was perfectly observed by the camera on the North East side of the store, the cops saw it but never released it. From there, just as he does every single morning of the year, Tom came by my house, dropped off all the drivers money, talked with me for several minutes and then went home to his house.

[bbm]

what time did Tom arrive at your house and what timestamp was on the store video when he was seen leaving? does the timing make sense?

 

[alreetlike]

Personally, I don't think there are enough clues for me to make an educated guess unfortunately. I am leaning towards perhaps a delivery guy like on page 31 & 32, or a simi-acquaintance that may have seen her & pulled over. When she said she "would be there in a minute", I tend to think she was very close, but talking to someone. :waiting: Heard on the news in the last couple days there is a rapist around the Boston area driving a fake cab and has raped two women so far... But, if this were the case I think there would be other rapes reported, before escalating to murder.

I've had this sort of thing in my mind from the beginning when I've been trying to think of why/how she'd say she'd be there in a minute and then not show.

 

[GGE]

I thought the general consensus was Alien Mexican Drug Cartel Human Traffickers got her? :scared:

There, fixed that for ya. :ufo:

 

[GGE]

I've had this sort of thing in my mind from the beginning when I've been trying to think of why/how she'd say she'd be there in a minute and then not show.

I have come up with:

1. finishing a conversation with someone
2. in the middle of doing something
3. nearby and literally moving closer as they speak

I figure LE doesn't have her phone so they have no way of knowing if she was talking on her phone to somebody else, but that wouldn't hold her up so it doesn't matter.

If she was talking to somebody else in person, physically, but the other person was on foot that would hardly matter either because she ended up 30 miles away which requires a vehicle.

If she was in the middle of doing something, where was she? not standing on a sidewalk doing something. She'd have had to have stopped at somebody's place and gone inside to do something quick, IMO (which brings somebody else into it who lives very near her, I have no idea who, just sayin).

If she was nearby and walking and moving closer, then didn't arrive then that scenario requires somebody literally snatching her off the street against her will/by surprise, IMO.


So, I keep coming back to the thought that all things considered, it seems like she left her apartment to go to the AMPM before meeting the cab becuase she probably needed to get some cash out of an ATM (I assume they have one there?) to pay him, and it further seems like she stopped somewhere on the way, on her natural walking route to the AMPM from her apartment....

See, if it was ME back in the day when I was her age, I might have stopped at somebody's house who could smoke me up because my agitation level after all that would've, back then, made me want to self medicate a bit and mellow out a lot, so I"d have stopped someplace nearby that I knew I could probably get someone to do that. I guarantee if I got a call while I was in that situation Id say I'd be there in a minute and then book it out of there to try to make up for lost time. Of course, that's if I was able to leave there of my own will at that point.. .and if I *was*, then my judgment would be much less good going forward...

Other than that, I"m having a hard time deciding what was the hold up...

all JMO and pre-coffee, so probably lacks all kinds of logic, sorry!

 

[WideOpen]

http://www.azcentral.com/community/...earching-more-clues-death-year-old-woman.html

We have been talking about the condition of Adrienne's body and I have assumed that she was not just a skeletal body from the man that found her on his property after he went to check on vulture activity. He reported "her legs sticking out from under brush", I did assume she was intact and with some flesh, I know the birds probably destroyed the evidence if any.
The medical examiners have a tough job here, lets pray they can find something!

“This case will be solved because someone comes forward to give us information,” said Sgt. Mike Pooley, a Tempe police spokesman. “If the forensics come back with nothing, we will need someone to come forward.”

Dr. Greg Hess, Pima County’s chief medical examiner, said a team of pathologists and anthropoligists are working to determine a cause and manner of death.

But Hess said they don’t have much to work with and it is possible that the decision on her manner of death may eventually be based on the totality of the suspicious circumstances.

Because of the condition of the remains, it may be difficult to identify a suspect based upon forensics, Hess said.

jmo

 

[GGE]

(time for a new thread for Adrienne, here we are at over 1000 posts and over 40 pages. A new one will probably turn up today IMO)...

anyway..

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/2...ical-examiner-discusses-adrienne-salinas-case

"Adrienne's body is now at the medical examiner's office undergoing forensic testing.

So when a body has been decomposing in the Arizona desert for 2 months, how do investigators put the forensic pieces together to figure out what happened, and bring the killer to justice?

We spoke to a veteran medical examiner about the Salinas case.

"We're not there saying who did anything, we just say what happened. We are solely focused upon the individual who died -- how did they die, when did they die," says Dr. Philip Keen.

Dr. Keen has spent his life's work as a medical examiner -- the last 14 years as Chief M.E. for Maricopa County. He says almost always they can figure out how a person died.

But Adrienne Salinas' body decomposing in the desert for so long complicates things.

"It is mostly in those bodies in which the condition of the bodies is such that too much time has elapsed so you don't have enough information to draw a conclusion.""

<snip>

""One of the first things you look at is an X-ray of the body, look for evidence of fractures, evidence of foreign bodies and even in a decomposing body, if you look at patterns of hemorrhage in the decomposing body. You could for example identify a penetrating stabbing wound and its bleeding path.""


It was hard choosing what to quote because it's all interesting - more at link above

 

[WideOpen]

If she was in the middle of doing something, where was she? not standing on a sidewalk doing something. She'd have had to have stopped at somebody's place and gone inside to do something quick, IMO (which brings somebody else into it who lives very near her, I have no idea who, just sayin).

If she was nearby and walking and moving closer, then didn't arrive then that scenario requires somebody literally snatching her off the street against her will/by surprise, IMO.


So, I keep coming back to the thought that all things considered, it seems like she left her apartment to go to the AMPM before meeting the cab becuase she probably needed to get some cash out of an ATM (I assume they have one there?) to pay him, and it further seems like she stopped somewhere on the way, on her natural walking route to the AMPM from her apartment....

I have always thought it logical and possible she went back to the car prior to her walk to the AMPM.
If she forgot to lock it, wanted her cell phone charger, make-up, bank card anything which was left in the car, whatever reason she would have had time to go back to the car. In her mind she had the time before cabbie was arriving at AMPM.

I do think she was somewhere else prior to heading to the AMPM, a neighbors or other close associate not far from AMPM.

jmo
blurry, on that 1st cup java

 

[TravelingBug]

What you didn't see was that after he moved past the front door and out of the video frame, he drove directly to the parking spaces on the University side of the gas station. He parked there, a common place for cabbies to park, and got out of his car, looked around, and much to his fathers disappointment, lit up a cigarette (I hate those things). While he smoked he stood next to his car and watched to see if anyone came around that might be his female passenger. Nobody came, so he put his cig. out, made a few calls, and got in his car and left.

So is it correct to interpret this as saying that he also didn't see the girl seen on camera? Or does "nobody came" only refer to her not coming directly to AM/PM/him, but that perhaps he may have seen someone else?

Whomever she is, we know there was another female in that area at almost the exact same time Adrienne should have been.

Since it seems it's not Adrienne from what we've heard now, but yet was apparently someone similar enough, at least generally speaking, that LE thought it was likely her in the O'Reilly lot video initially, it'd seem like he well could/should have seen O'R video girl.

He was looking around, plus he'd have been driving both to AM/PM and away from it all in the window of time, so I'm curious if he noticed anyone else walking around?

I'd assume not or I'd assume he'd have approached her or tried to get her attention to see if she was his missing fare?

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I've had this sort of thing in my mind from the beginning when I've been trying to think of why/how she'd say she'd be there in a minute and then not show.

One reason why The cab guy thought that Adrienne had ditched him for a ride was bc he saw a discount cab near where he was smoking at the AMPM leave the area. He figured maybe she had jumped in that cab between that and her having her phone turned off.

I've been worried about that other cab that he saw that night.

Not just that, but I've been worried about this poor cabbie was being set up by a more sinister character that night.

(Fwiw and to help shed light on the INNOCENT, I will say cab guy owns a family business. He has sweet kids and they all live together (i believe) and work together. They are a close knit, SWEET family. He calls his kids honey and sweetie. He doesn't even curse, instead if he is having to reiterate a curse "don't say F that B!" would be the closest he'd come to ever cursing.

This has affected their lives more than we could imagine.

He checks all his drivers backgrounds (background check on all) and hires accordingly. He even was the first cab company to publicly endorse the drug testing for his drivers months ago (bc who wants a taxi driver that's loaded on something?!) as I remember reading in a media publication.

The cab guy (Tom) in this case has NO CRIMINAL RECORD contrary to popular rumor. He is not a sex offender. He is not a predator of any sort. He doesn't even have a DUI (which half of the ppl here probably can't cop to lol).)

I suppose I'm defensive when it comes to this family bc I grew up in a crappy family and know the difference between a crap father and a decent sweet father. These kids were raised to be good public servants.