AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #7

[2Hip2BSquare]

Personally, I don't think there are enough clues for me to make an educated guess unfortunately. I am leaning towards perhaps a delivery guy like on page 31 & 32, or a simi-acquaintance that may have seen her & pulled over. When she said she "would be there in a minute", I tend to think she was very close, but talking to someone. :waiting: Heard on the news in the last couple days there is a rapist around the Boston area driving a fake cab and has raped two women so far... But, if this were the case I think there would be other rapes reported, before escalating to murder.

Thanks Dee. These both seem like possible scenarios IMHO

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

So if we totally take the cab guy and the bf out of the equation, what is left??? I'd like to know what LE found with Adrienne before I go in any other direction.

With all that went on that night, I'm not feeling it's a stranger abduction. I mean, with the kind of night she had, wouldn't that be the be all and end all that it culminated in her being kidnapped and murdered???

I tend to believe this IMO and theory . I think stranger abduction is secondary to it being someone she knew for sure. All of her bad luck seemed to conveniently hit her that night? Like you, I believe it is TOO convenient - the series of unfortunate events clustered in that time frame.

But stranger abduction happens sometimes so I'm not ruling it out 100%.

 

[sleepymamaaz]

I've been lurking for a while on this thread and decided to join. All of you are so amazing! I live in the East Valley, although I'm not really "close" to any of the locations in this case. I was thinking about the location of where Adrienne's body was found. When I was younger I got fired from a job and I was so scared of how I would tell my boyfriend (who I lived with and shared expenses with). I was so embarrassed, so as I thought of what to do (and looking back, this probably wasn't a good idea because of how distracted I was) I took Apache (which turns into Main St, which turns into Apache Trail) and just drove straight east. I ended up at the fork, deciding on where to go: Do I head toward the Superstitions (the 88), or do I head to Globe (old west Hwy to the 60). I headed to Globe and ended up turning around and heading home before I got on the 60. Mostly because I decided it wasn't rational in my state of mind to be navigating winding roads in the Superstitions and I didn't want to have to tell my boyfriend why I was in Globe if I got a flat or something. That being said, could the dump site be less planned and more of a "OH Crap! What do I do?" kind of reaction. Driving and driving as far East as possible trying to figure things out, and dumping the body out of fear at the first place they came to away from civilization? I also wonder about when and how someone could have placed her body in the wash because at the AM hours on a Saturday (especially near sunrise) a LOT of motorcycle riders ride that route, because it's scenic and because it's cooler in the morning during the summer, so I highly doubt it happened right after she was taken. Also, at night, it would have been super dark, there are no street lights on the Apache Trail and it wouldn't have been full moon for another week or so, not to mention the cloud cover would have made it even darker (its monsoon season). The wash leads me to believe that whoever did it either did it quickly, or didn;t know their way around at all. Someone who was into prospecting or camping or hiking would know the weather patterns (it would be unsafe to travel in without knowing) and it is very common for washes to flood during the monsoon, and monsoon weather is highly unpredictable. In my thought process, there would need to be 2 people, someone to shine a light while the other dug a grave (if that occurred at all). Also, why the Wash unless it was a quick decision. In another 15 minutes or so, there is a huge cliff that if a body was put into would likely never be found. Just kicking stuff around...

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

So is it correct to interpret this as saying that he also didn't see the girl seen on camera? Or does "nobody came" only refer to her not coming directly to AM/PM/him, but that perhaps he may have seen someone else?

Whomever she is, we know there was another female in that area at almost the exact same time Adrienne should have been.

Since it seems it's not Adrienne from what we've heard now, but yet was apparently someone similar enough, at least generally speaking, that LE thought it was likely her in the O'Reilly lot video initially, it'd seem like he well could/should have seen O'R video girl.

He was looking around, plus he'd have been driving both to AM/PM and away from it all in the window of time, so I'm curious if he noticed anyone else walking around?

I'd assume not or I'd assume he'd have approached her or tried to get her attention to see if she was his missing fare?

The cab guy wasn't even at the AMPM when that video was caught of the girl. He showed up nearly 5 minutes after that. That's why he wouldn't have seen whoever the female was walking through Oreilly's. And I don't think that female was Adrienne, as Rick Salinas confirmed. I think the girl is SOMEBODY related to this case though. Maybe a girl who acted like A on A's phone...

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Hey sleepy!

I believe it was a panicked "oh where do I go" and he just drove straight out east toward the superstitions. I don't think it was a planned disposal. I think it was a crime of opportunity rather than plan. So I think his disposal method would be a disposal of opportunity and not planned.

I think he headed east on university and kept going going going. Until it became increasingly more rural. He passed apache junction bc of the residential areas there. He continued up the 88 toward canyon lake and still saw steelworks shops and museums in the canyon where Weekes wash is.

So he finally found a spot at the desolate bridge at the top of Weekes wash. Weekes wash is the wash her body was found on Aug 6. after the july 21st floods. Highway 88 bridge at canyon lake goes straight over that wash!

(just an idea of possible major routes to the bridge from A's apartment. Light blue route I drew to represent UNI E to the 88.)

Thank you for what you wrote. So intelligent and deeply personal. Glad you are OK now after making that drive. Much love!

 

[GGE]

sleepymamaaz - :welcome:

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

And sleepy, the reason why he may not have been able to dispose of her on the canyon side where she wouldn't be found as easy is bc that is after the point where one has to get a pass from the park booth on the roadway. I think he wanted to avoid that booth and the marina just past and couldn't do so if he wanted to drop her on the jagged canyon side toward the southern most face.

IMO.

So glad you joined us sleepy. All locals are VERY welcome to share as much as they can provide here!!!

 

[NicholeWilliams]

Good morning, everyone!

Is Weekes Wash, as I'm led to believe - via my Google search results, just southwest of Baseline & Ironwood? Or at the base of the Superstition Mountains, leading into Canyon Lake?

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=week...F-8&ei=Ze4UUvqAK6bbyQGBo4DQDQ&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAg

http://hikearizona.com/decoder.php?ZTN=956

 

[kodi]

Weekes Wash is the wash Adrienne's body was found by. That wash is directly connected to the bridge that runs over the wash near canyon lake.

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It is an open access bridge.

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I still believe with all my heart she was dropped into the water from that bridge.
The pressure when flooding could very well have dislodged her body from the corner of that embankment and thrust her all the way down to apache junction area.

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RSBM and BBM

I think what you're saying makes good sense, 2Hip. But what the one thing I have a hard time with your theory is how her being in the water plays on the decomposition of this poor girl. What effect would being in the water for nearly 5 weeks (assuming she was disposed of soon after her abduction) have prior to the floods and her body traveling down the wash? *sighs* I hate this discussion but know it's important.

I've been lurking for a while on this thread and decided to join. All of you are so amazing! I live in the East Valley, although I'm not really "close" to any of the locations in this case. I was thinking about the location of where Adrienne's body was found. When I was younger I got fired from a job and I was so scared of how I would tell my boyfriend (who I lived with and shared expenses with). I was so embarrassed, so as I thought of what to do (and looking back, this probably wasn't a good idea because of how distracted I was) I took Apache (which turns into Main St, which turns into Apache Trail) and just drove straight east. I ended up at the fork, deciding on where to go: Do I head toward the Superstitions (the 88), or do I head to Globe (old west Hwy to the 60). I headed to Globe and ended up turning around and heading home before I got on the 60. Mostly because I decided it wasn't rational in my state of mind to be navigating winding roads in the Superstitions and I didn't want to have to tell my boyfriend why I was in Globe if I got a flat or something. That being said, could the dump site be less planned and more of a "OH Crap! What do I do?" kind of reaction. Driving and driving as far East as possible trying to figure things out, and dumping the body out of fear at the first place they came to away from civilization? I also wonder about when and how someone could have placed her body in the wash because at the AM hours on a Saturday (especially near sunrise) a LOT of motorcycle riders ride that route, because it's scenic and because it's cooler in the morning during the summer, so I highly doubt it happened right after she was taken. Also, at night, it would have been super dark, there are no street lights on the Apache Trail and it wouldn't have been full moon for another week or so, not to mention the cloud cover would have made it even darker (its monsoon season). The wash leads me to believe that whoever did it either did it quickly, or didn;t know their way around at all. Someone who was into prospecting or camping or hiking would know the weather patterns (it would be unsafe to travel in without knowing) and it is very common for washes to flood during the monsoon, and monsoon weather is highly unpredictable. In my thought process, there would need to be 2 people, someone to shine a light while the other dug a grave (if that occurred at all).Also, why the Wash unless it was a quick decision. In another 15 minutes or so, there is a huge cliff that if a body was put into would likely never be found. Just kicking stuff around...

BBM

:welcome5: sleepy! And thanks for "kicking it" with us. *smiles* I bolded some of your post that struck me. It's always great to get more thoughts in the group and thanks for sharing your personal experience. We appreciate it and hope you stick around. :seeya:

I know 2Hip mentioned why the cliff wouldn't have been a good idea for the perp; that could have been why it was avoided or it just could have been happenstance. I'm :fence: about it.

 

[prospektor]

The cab guy wasn't even at the AMPM when that video was caught of the girl. He showed up nearly 5 minutes after that. That's why he wouldn't have seen whoever the female was walking through Oreilly's. And I don't think that female was Adrienne, as Rick Salinas confirmed. I think the girl is SOMEBODY related to this case though. Maybe a girl who acted like A on A's phone...

I think there's a mix-up with the times, the video timestamp at O'Reilly's was off by twenty minutes or so, the female was seen at 5:13, the car at 5:15. So depending on cabbie's cigarette break, he might've been in the ideal position to see them when he left. Do we know in which direction/street the cab driver left?
As for the question if it was Adrienne and RS saying it wasn't - I'm gonna adapt your doubt if this is correct and not a LE instructed statement. Just as the roomies could've been instructed to deny seeing Adrienne after she returned from FA to raise pressure on him, they could've asked RS to say it wasn't Adrienne to encourage the driver of the dark car to come forward (he might fear that LE would suspect him).

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

RSBM and BBM

I think what you're saying makes good sense, 2Hip. But what the one thing I have a hard time with your theory is how her being in the water plays on the decomposition of this poor girl. What effect would being in the water for nearly 5 weeks (assuming she was disposed of soon after her abduction) have prior to the floods and her body traveling down the wash? *sighs* I hate this discussion but know it's important.




BBM

:welcome5: sleepy! And thanks for "kicking it" with us. *smiles* I bolded some of your post that struck me. It's always great to get more thoughts in the group and thanks for sharing your personal experience. We appreciate it and hope you stick around. :seeya:

I know 2Hip mentioned why the cliff wouldn't have been a good idea for the perp; that could have been why it was avoided or it just could have been happenstance. I'm :fence: about it.

Water and burial both help to preserve a body. Sorry I hate talking about this as I'm sure you hate hearing about it.

I've studied water based decomposition for some time now as there are many different variables at hand with bodies found in water.

Bodies do not float to the top of a body of water until they have decomposed considerably. Bodies typically reemerge from the same area they were submerged and drifted down. The gases inside of the body cause it to raise to the surface of the water.

Now, what makes our stomach area bloat during decomp is is bacteria that builds up in our intestines during the purification process. If someone is in water that is running and filters to another waterway, their bowels can be flushed out, thus causing the purification process to be delayed since the bacteria is being washed from the body.

Masecation and marbling and skin slippage are typically what is most noticeable on a decomposed body coming from water. Bloating of the ocular regions and face typically occur due to cranial infection (the brain isn't necessarily being cleaned out, just digestive/respiratory/ reproductive regions)

There's so much more to this IMO. And bodies in water have much variation on how they putrefy and decompose according to the waterway they were disposed in.

Some people here might be versed in dried bodies, I'm versed in bodies pulled from water. To each his own. We all can add much here

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Good morning, everyone!

Is Weekes Wash, as I'm led to believe - via my Google search results, just southwest of Baseline & Ironwood? Or at the base of the Superstition Mountains, leading into Canyon Lake?

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=week...F-8&ei=Ze4UUvqAK6bbyQGBo4DQDQ&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAg

http://hikearizona.com/decoder.php?ZTN=956

If you google it, for some idiotic reason it lists it south (it showed me this too which really threw off my mapping for a while), but in reality it is the singular wash running through the triangle of the 88 and 60.

 

[ktgirl]

My current thoughts on this case are that it was a stranger abduction.

That's all MOO and subject to change, of course.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

You also have the bulldog floodway which runs straight into where her body was found, probably pinning her against those trees after she washed down from Weekes. IMO.

 

[kodi]

Water and burial both help to preserve a body. Sorry I hate talking about this as I'm sure you hate hearing about it.

I've studied water based decomposition for some time now as there are many different variables at hand with bodies found in water.

Bodies do not float to the top of a body of water until they have decomposed considerably. Bodies typically reemerge from the same area they were submerged and drifted down. The gases inside of the body cause it to raise to the surface of the water.

Now, what makes our stomach area bloat during decomp is is bacteria that builds up in our intestines during the purification process. If someone is in water that is running and filters to another waterway, their bowels can be flushed out, thus causing the purification process to be delayed since the bacteria is being washed from the body.

Masecation and marbling and skin slippage are typically what is most noticeable on a decomposed body coming from water. Bloating of the ocular regions and face typically occur due to cranial infection (the brain isn't necessarily being cleaned out, just digestive/respiratory/ reproductive regions)

There's so much more to this IMO. And bodies in water have much variation on how they putrefy and decompose according to the waterway they were disposed in.

Some people here might be versed in dried bodies, I'm versed in bodies pulled from water. To each his own. We all can add much here

That helps! My thought process was along the lines of why wouldn't the vultures have descended earlier but your explanation helps me see. Thanks!

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Former homicide investigator weighs in on the case!

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/2...investigator-weighs-in-on-salinas-murder-case

Notice who they are showing on the CCTV video while former investigator speaks

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Here's what I'm thinking:

Guy in the AMPM video looks like he has a gun in his right hand.

Med examiner might (imo) have just found that Adrienne's skull showed signs of trauma due to gunshot wound.

2+2= someones gonna recognize the guy on the video, call him in, and we have an arrest. IMOO

Oh please please please!!!

If anyone knows him, call him in!!!!!!!

 

[ArianeEmory]

Here's what I'm thinking:

Guy in the AMPM video looks like he has a gun in his right hand.

Med examiner might (imo) have just found that Adrienne's skull showed signs of trauma due to gunshot wound.

2+2= someones gonna recognize the guy on the video, call him in, and we have an arrest. IMOO

Oh please please please!!!

If anyone knows him, call him in!!!!!!!

Sorry, I'm not a regular in this thread but I went back five pages before asking this, I can't find an answer:

What does the above refer to? Did LE release video of someone and ask for tips? If so where is the video?

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Also if random abduction, they need to check the landfill for Adrienne's clothes and phone/belongings missing from her person - if they don't find them during this search for evidence.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Sorry, I'm not a regular in this thread but I went back five pages before asking this, I can't find an answer:

What does the above refer to? Did LE release video of someone and ask for tips? If so where is the video?

The video is at the top of this report. Please watch in its entirety.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/2...investigator-weighs-in-on-salinas-murder-case

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