AZ AZ - Allison Feldman, 31, Scottsdale, 18 Feb 2015 #2

[Luvrosco]

Not putting down what you are saying, just for discussion sake -
We are assuming her face was covered, versus head wrapped to limit blood spread... something thief my do to avoid stepping in blood..

Also, covering just face and leaving body fully exposed is very odd if done by friend.... thinking of Meredith Kercher left completely covered by the duvet.

LE is holding all the cards about as to crime scene. We only have snippets of info....

You made a some good points. I still think she knew her killer because there was no forced entry. Do you think it still might have been a stranger?

 

[OldSteve]

You made a some good points. I still think she knew her killer because there was no forced entry. Do you think it still might have been a stranger?

For some reason I'm thinking someone in the neighborhood who took notice of her... most likely this is a one-time attack, and will be difficult to solve since his DNA is not in the system, and unless he does it again (which I doubt) it will take a long time to solve...
Okay - now why I think this - I don't know, just a feeling... and those can be way off...

What I wonder about is why LE just throws us tiny littles pieces of info... why do that, why not hold back everything, or release allot more... why tell us they got the killer's DNA?? Are the looking to see who leaves town, goes on the run?

 

[Dee20912]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/mysterious-death-ariz-woman-baffles-family-article-1.2123684
In this article, the sister is quoted as saying, “He's beside himself because he's over at her place quite a bit, because he worries about her living alone,” Kelly said. “Of course he wasn't there on Tuesday night. She had kicked him out, basically saying because he's in grad school -- like go home and study and have quiet time."


I know you can't believe everything you read, but I can't believe she could have been misquoted much from the meaning and intent of that sentence. But I hear you MissD when you say, "who told the sister that?" Here's my opinion, it wasn't her dad...he couldn't get a hold of her. For private reasons, I can say I don't believe it was the mom. And clearly, it wasn't Allison. It had to be Alex, and I don't think it matters if the info came to the sister via Alex or the parents. And, IMO, that comment is just plain silly. The woman had a home with multiple rooms. There was no need to leave that home and go to his own for "quiet time." And I agree with you when you say, "who says that to a 30+ year old man?" So this is my first big question.

Second big question: If I'm worried about someone I love dearly, IMO I RUN into that house as fast as I can to check on her. It would never cross my mind to call the police first. IMO

Third big question: Why on earth, when you come out from seeing a scene such as he did, do you again call the police to say, "I didn't do anything. I didn't touch her." If that was my loved one, I couldn't be more certain that I would NOT be thinking anything along those lines. JMO

 

[justice be served]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/mysterious-death-ariz-woman-baffles-family-article-1.2123684
In this article, the sister is quoted as saying, “He's beside himself because he's over at her place quite a bit, because he worries about her living alone,” Kelly said. “Of course he wasn't there on Tuesday night. She had kicked him out, basically saying because he's in grad school -- like go home and study and have quiet time."


I know you can't believe everything you read, but I can't believe she could have been misquoted much from the meaning and intent of that sentence. But I hear you MissD when you say, "who told the sister that?" Here's my opinion, it wasn't her dad...he couldn't get a hold of her. For private reasons, I can say I don't believe it was the mom. And clearly, it wasn't Allison. It had to be Alex, and I don't think it matters if the info came to the sister via Alex or the parents. And, IMO, that comment is just plain silly. The woman had a home with multiple rooms. There was no need to leave that home and go to his own for "quiet time." And I agree with you when you say, "who says that to a 30+ year old man?" So this is my first big question.

Second big question: If I'm worried about someone I love dearly, IMO I RUN into that house as fast as I can to check on her. It would never cross my mind to call the police first. IMO

Third big question: Why on earth, when you come out from seeing a scene such as he did, do you again call the police to say, "I didn't do anything. I didn't touch her." If that was my loved one, I couldn't be more certain that I would NOT be thinking anything along those lines. JMO

Thank you for encapsulating these vital pieces of information in one place. I got a chill reading them.

 

[Dee20912]

I am still kind of surprised her BF has not said anything at all publicly. Of course it means nothing, but strikes me as odd. This is just a violent, horrible crime...I think I would summon the strength to make a plea for people to come forward, at least. But jmo

I completely agree with this. Also, wouldn't it be natural for other people/friends to be quoted in the news as saying "what a great guy he is...what a great couple they were." Can LE keep friends quotes out of the news? If they can't, then it just seems weird that no one has spoken about him. What about the woman he has a child with? Family? JMO

 

[cluciano63]

I wonder if BF normally spent the night? And just happened to go home on this night?
Or at least usually stayed much later?

 

[Bernina]

I feel the same way Luvrosco! Here in Arizona, as you are aware, we just went through years of the Jodi Arias/Travis Alexander murder saga. Just yesterday she received her final sentence - life without parole. I'm so sick of hearing about it.

It took several years for LE to arrest Arias. I hope it won't take that long to bring Allison's murderer to justice!

As for the R/E angle - if she was 23 years old back in 2007 when she first acquired that condo (the one going into foreclosure), How did she qualify for a $240K loan? I wonder if she had a significant other at that time who put the money down and for some reason put it in her name? Maybe he couldn't have it in his name for some reason. I just think the timing of this auction is VERY interesting. It was first filed Feb 5, 2015, only 12 days before her death.

Arias was quickly arrested.
The murder was on June 4, 2008 in Mesa, Arizona. The Grand jury indited her on July 9, 2008. Arias was arrested on July 15, 2008 in Yreka, California. Arias was extradited to Arizona September 5, 2008.
She went to the Mesa PD when she went down for the memorial in Arizona in mid June, but balked on giving DNA.

 

[Luvrosco]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/mysterious-death-ariz-woman-baffles-family-article-1.2123684
In this article, the sister is quoted as saying, “He's beside himself because he's over at her place quite a bit, because he worries about her living alone,” Kelly said. “Of course he wasn't there on Tuesday night. She had kicked him out, basically saying because he's in grad school -- like go home and study and have quiet time."


I know you can't believe everything you read, but I can't believe she could have been misquoted much from the meaning and intent of that sentence. But I hear you MissD when you say, "who told the sister that?" Here's my opinion, it wasn't her dad...he couldn't get a hold of her. For private reasons, I can say I don't believe it was the mom. And clearly, it wasn't Allison. It had to be Alex, and I don't think it matters if the info came to the sister via Alex or the parents. And, IMO, that comment is just plain silly. The woman had a home with multiple rooms. There was no need to leave that home and go to his own for "quiet time." And I agree with you when you say, "who says that to a 30+ year old man?" So this is my first big question.

Second big question: If I'm worried about someone I love dearly, IMO I RUN into that house as fast as I can to check on her. It would never cross my mind to call the police first. IMO

Third big question: Why on earth, when you come out from seeing a scene such as he did, do you again call the police to say, "I didn't do anything. I didn't touch her." If that was my loved one, I couldn't be more certain that I would NOT be thinking anything along those lines. JMO

Thanks for posting this. Things that make me go hmmm.

 

[Bernina]

I completely agree with this. Also, wouldn't it be natural for other people/friends to be quoted in the news as saying "what a great guy he is...what a great couple they were." Can LE keep friends quotes out of the news? If they can't, then it just seems weird that no one has spoken about him. What about the woman he has a child with? Family? JMO

There's a good possibility the LE has told the family and BF to stay away from the media. And quite possibly none of them want to be hounded by reporters. Grieving loved ones are not required to make statements to the media. Whatever they do is dissected by Twitter, forums like this, or misquoted.

AF's sister said the BF was a great guy, they were in love, or words to that effect.

Telling your BF to get home and work on his grad work isn't a big deal. The gal who keeps her horses at my place had to do the same just a week ago to her BF who goes to Embry Riddle. Some people need to get motivation from others.

SPD mustn't have a match for the DNA on any data base. They mustn't have a match to any of the DNA they collected from any male parties known to be in the house prior to the murder. It's been over 2 months, they can't be that inept. This case is their highest priority and they want to say no ones been cleared? Anyone who gave DNA had it processed in the same amount of time as what was found under her fingernails or anywhere else. 60 hours if SPD really had it as a priority. DPS was able to identify Adrienne Salinas in that amount of time, from finding her body to notifying her parents.

Occam's Razor..........the simplest answer is often correct.
Stolen property and a murder..........bungled burglary attempt.
No forced entry..............she left her door unlocked or opened the door to someone who pushed their way in.
Cloth wrapped around the head............less mess in a clean up attempt: bleach smell and white substance.
Iphone, credit cards, and bracelet...........sounds like someone stole her purse and ransacked her jewelry box, and SPD said those were some of the items, who knows what else was taken?
Suspect on video at 1:00............if any POI was even slightly similar to the video image, SPD would have brought them in for additional questioning.
Naked body in the hall............SPD has NOT said it was a sexual assault, she probably slept in the nude. Why would she be in the main hallway in a pool of blood if it was sexual assault?

I believe SPD is looking for a "ghost". Until he is arrested for a future B & E, burglary or theft, SPD's POI is a DNA sequence of John Doe.
I just think that article and photos of the burglar last month have something to do with this case. It was too sparse, no indication of what area he was hitting (Scottsdale is huge) or what had been stolen, and the images where taken in the night. And why hasn't SPD released the image of the 1:00 subject?

 

[nancydrew71]

For some reason I'm thinking someone in the neighborhood who took notice of her... most likely this is a one-time attack, and will be difficult to solve since his DNA is not in the system, and unless he does it again (which I doubt) it will take a long time to solve...
Okay - now why I think this - I don't know, just a feeling... and those can be way off...

What I wonder about is why LE just throws us tiny littles pieces of info... why do that, why not hold back everything, or release allot more... why tell us they got the killer's DNA?? Are the looking to see who leaves town, goes on the run?

Yes, this is what I said all along, I think it was someone in her neighborhood. Allison looks to be very trusting and seeing a familiar face, opened the door. This person would have seen Alex leave too and most importantly KNEW she lived alone.

 

[Luvrosco]

I can understand LE telling family to limit talking to the media. But I can't imagine that they would stop loved ones from pleading to the public for help in finding the murderer. Hopefully, LE has this close to wrapping up and they are dotting their i's before an arrest is made. I have faith in the SPD.

 

[MissD]

Not putting down what you are saying, just for discussion sake -
We are assuming her face was covered, versus head wrapped to limit blood spread... something thief my do to avoid stepping in blood..

Also, covering just face and leaving body fully exposed is very odd if done by friend.... thinking of Meredith Kercher left completely covered by the duvet.

LE is holding all the cards about as to crime scene. We only have snippets of info....

That's interesting Steve. I never thought about the fact the body was left uncovered but the head was wrapped with a cloth.

hmmmm.......

They do mention "copious amounts of blood" in the document. So, even if he wrapped the head in a cloth he probably would have still been stepping in blood. Don't you think?

Head wounds, even little ones, bleed a lot. A cranial trauma as described in the report would have been unbelievably bloody.

I'm thinking the head might have been wrapped before she was killed, maybe even to stop so much blood from getting all over the place.

It sounds like the killer might have known what he was doing.

(Shuddddderrr)

 

[MissD]

Arias was quickly arrested.
The murder was on June 4, 2008 in Mesa, Arizona. The Grand jury indited her on July 9, 2008. Arias was arrested on July 15, 2008 in Yreka, California. Arias was extradited to Arizona September 5, 2008.
She went to the Mesa PD when she went down for the memorial in Arizona in mid June, but balked on giving DNA.

Oh yeah! Thanks for the correction on when Jodi was arrested. I had already been corrected on here yesterday. It still doesn't change my thoughts on the other stuff however. LOL

So how did they get Arias to give DNA? She refused? I keep thinking how coincidental this murder was to the Jodi Arias trial here at the very last. I wonder if it gave the killer ideas.

 

[MissD]

I wonder if BF normally spent the night? And just happened to go home on this night?
Or at least usually stayed much later?

Usually couples who are very much in love don't like to be separated when they are sleeping.

 

[jadejazzkayla]

I think the murderer is a stranger to Allison. someone in her area that noticed her and maybe stalked her and learned she lived alone.

 

[MissD]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/mysterious-death-ariz-woman-baffles-family-article-1.2123684
In this article, the sister is quoted as saying, “He's beside himself because he's over at her place quite a bit, because he worries about her living alone,” Kelly said. “Of course he wasn't there on Tuesday night. She had kicked him out, basically saying because he's in grad school -- like go home and study and have quiet time."


I know you can't believe everything you read, but I can't believe she could have been misquoted much from the meaning and intent of that sentence. But I hear you MissD when you say, "who told the sister that?" Here's my opinion, it wasn't her dad...he couldn't get a hold of her. For private reasons, I can say I don't believe it was the mom. And clearly, it wasn't Allison. It had to be Alex, and I don't think it matters if the info came to the sister via Alex or the parents. And, IMO, that comment is just plain silly. The woman had a home with multiple rooms. There was no need to leave that home and go to his own for "quiet time." And I agree with you when you say, "who says that to a 30+ year old man?" So this is my first big question.

Second big question: If I'm worried about someone I love dearly, IMO I RUN into that house as fast as I can to check on her. It would never cross my mind to call the police first. IMO

Third big question: Why on earth, when you come out from seeing a scene such as he did, do you again call the police to say, "I didn't do anything. I didn't touch her." If that was my loved one, I couldn't be more certain that I would NOT be thinking anything along those lines. JMO

BBM:

Incredible post! Your thought processes are amazing and make so much common sense. Anything else just doesn't make any sense at all.

I suppose it might make a difference if the parents told the sister or if Alex told the sister. And from what you said it definitely sounds like Alex told her. Of course her words were her 'interpretation' of what was told to her. Not necessarily the same words given to her.

I do think the term "quiet time" might have stayed the same as the original. That doesn't seem like something one would change in translation or repeating what someone else said. That would kind of stick.

So we are left wondering if this is what was really said by Allison to Alex. We will probably never know nor will LE.

I would love to know what time he supposedly left her house that afternoon or that night.

I wholeheartedly agree with you on going into the house to check on the love of my life. Wild horses couldn't have held me back and I wouldn't have had to get permission from the cops to do it.

Not if I was innocent.

 

[MissD]

I think the murderer is a stranger to Allison. someone in her area that noticed her and maybe stalked her and learned she lived alone.

That's what is good about this place. We can all have our own theories. What makes you think that when LE has indicated they think it is isolated, targeted and personal and sought a warrant to monitor someone she had known from her past? I like to know how someone develops their theories.

I've wavered on my own, actually. In the past.

 

[MissD]

There's a good possibility the LE has told the family and BF to stay away from the media. And quite possibly none of them want to be hounded by reporters. Grieving loved ones are not required to make statements to the media. Whatever they do is dissected by Twitter, forums like this, or misquoted.

AF's sister said the BF was a great guy, they were in love, or words to that effect.

Telling your BF to get home and work on his grad work isn't a big deal. The gal who keeps her horses at my place had to do the same just a week ago to her BF who goes to Embry Riddle. Some people need to get motivation from others.

SPD mustn't have a match for the DNA on any data base. They mustn't have a match to any of the DNA they collected from any male parties known to be in the house prior to the murder. It's been over 2 months, they can't be that inept. This case is their highest priority and they want to say no ones been cleared? Anyone who gave DNA had it processed in the same amount of time as what was found under her fingernails or anywhere else. 60 hours if SPD really had it as a priority. DPS was able to identify Adrienne Salinas in that amount of time, from finding her body to notifying her parents.

Occam's Razor..........the simplest answer is often correct.
Stolen property and a murder..........bungled burglary attempt.
No forced entry..............she left her door unlocked or opened the door to someone who pushed their way in.
Cloth wrapped around the head............less mess in a clean up attempt: bleach smell and white substance.
Iphone, credit cards, and bracelet...........sounds like someone stole her purse and ransacked her jewelry box, and SPD said those were some of the items, who knows what else was taken?
Suspect on video at 1:00............if any POI was even slightly similar to the video image, SPD would have brought them in for additional questioning.
Naked body in the hall............SPD has NOT said it was a sexual assault, she probably slept in the nude. Why would she be in the main hallway in a pool of blood if it was sexual assault?

I believe SPD is looking for a "ghost". Until he is arrested for a future B & E, burglary or theft, SPD's POI is a DNA sequence of John Doe.
I just think that article and photos of the burglar last month have something to do with this case. It was too sparse, no indication of what area he was hitting (Scottsdale is huge) or what had been stolen, and the images where taken in the night. And why hasn't SPD released the image of the 1:00 subject?

BBM: I don't know. It might have been a very big deal to the guy who was looking forward to spending another couple of nights there before she left town for the Bahamas.

As for your Occam's Razor - Respectfully, that doesn't seem all that simple to me.

JMO

 

[MissD]

I am still kind of surprised her BF has not said anything at all publicly. Of course it means nothing, but strikes me as odd. This is just a violent, horrible crime...I think I would summon the strength to make a plea for people to come forward, at least. But jmo

He didn't have any problem going on Twitter and howling about how Travelocity wouldn't give him a refund on his missed flight to Shanghai.

JMO

 

[MissD]

For some reason I'm thinking someone in the neighborhood who took notice of her... most likely this is a one-time attack, and will be difficult to solve since his DNA is not in the system, and unless he does it again (which I doubt) it will take a long time to solve...
Okay - now why I think this - I don't know, just a feeling... and those can be way off...

What I wonder about is why LE just throws us tiny littles pieces of info... why do that, why not hold back everything, or release allot more... why tell us they got the killer's DNA?? Are the looking to see who leaves town, goes on the run?

BBM:

Oh! Did LE say the DNA wasn't in the system? I didn't read that. Do you have a link?

JMO