AZ AZ - Allison Feldman, 31, Scottsdale, 18 Feb 2015 #2

[Lilac7]

BBM in your posts above...

Just trying to clarify / connect a couple of dots STS...

Was it the BF who stated they went to the comedy club when he spoke at the funeral???

:facepalm:

OK, this is probably a dumb question- but what is BBM?

And yes, it was the current boyfriend Alex who spoke at the funeral. He mentioned they went to the comedy club and I believe it was just the two of them from the way he spoke. (Kind of like even though they weren't huge plans and just the two of them, they always had a great time together no matter what they were doing).

My friends and myself just found some of his stories to be somewhat odd, inappropriate actually. But I know everyone handles grief very differently and maybe his culture is more open like this? We felt as though many comments were somewhat intimate and something you wouldn't necessarily share with the public.

But then again, some people have no problem sharing every little detail. He was very over the top emotional so it was hard to understand what all he was saying. We felt it was hard to tell if really sincere.

This is no way points to someone being a killer but just a little odd if nothing else. I wish there would be more statements from the friends/family. Maybe more tips they could give us to try to sort this all out?

 

[MissD]

I wonder about these things as well. BF was going to Thunderbird School of Global Management, so it's safe to assume he was studying almost every day. Either he could stay focused and study at Allison's, or he needed to study somewhere else, like at his place, or at the library. Allison's house had several rooms, he certainly could have used a room there to study.

Allison and her BF had been dating 10 months, so I could see Allison being a distraction to his studies. I know I would have trouble studying with a GF of 10 months around. Heck, I have trouble studying with my wife around now.


I just can't imagine how some person would feel safe being in that house for hours after the murder, unless they knew Allison VERY well, and knew the BF would not return that night.

I can't help but wonder if LE has a suspect in mind, but just not enough hard evidence to convict yet. I remember when the Arias case became news, Jodi seemed incredibly guilty due to the circumstances of the case, but they still have to go through all the motions to convict her beyond the shadow of a doubt. I was hoping this was the case with Allison's murder, that they have a strong suspect and just need more time, but two months have gone by with no one being named, which is very troubling.

Hi Cumulus!

I enjoy your posts so much. Thanks for replying to mine. I agree with you about the difficulty in studying with someone else around.

But they were grown-ups, not kids just getting started in college, so I don't think they would have had the same distractions. I know that when I went back to college after I got married I did much better at studying than when I was single and living on campus or off after I had enough of campus life and opted for an apartment.

So actually, I can't imagine him having too much of a problem studying at her place. But then I'm not a guy either. LOL Maybe that makes a difference?

I feel just like you do about the perp being in there for so long. Only IMO someone who KNEW someone would not be coming back or returning would take that risk. Again IMO.

I do think you could be onto the main problem LE is facing at this time. Lack of hard evidence or making sure they have all their ducks in a row. Building a case, when they have no weapon (possibly) and no motive (again possibly).

Two months is a long time for us but maybe it isn't so long for them, given that they have mountains of evidence that we don't know anything about. Well hardly anything.

It is disturbing.......especially for us locals I guess. I hope your wife is taking extra precautions.

 

[Luvrosco]

Yes,about the phone. That's why it was probably taken,Midge Montana. I also wonder how much time they actually spent together. He was going to school. Was it full time? He was working,too,I assume. It doesn't seem like he had a lot of free time. Didn't Allisons's dad buy him a ticket so he could travel after her death? Why? Did Alex not have the money? Gosh, I'm sorry that I'm rambling,but I have so many questions and no answers.:gaah:

 

[Lilac7]

BBM:

That's so interesting, how we all have our own theories and we are just so sure of them.

You think it was a neighbor.

Bernina thinks it was a burglar.

I think it was someone she knew very well. #5

I wonder, since we are all basically privvy to the same info, what it is that drives each of us to form different theories?

If I told you, as an example, that the BF had been an ax murderer in the past, would you still think it was a neighbor?

LOL

He wasn't. But I just wondered how much you are stuck on that neighbor theory and if there was anything one could do or say that could cause you to consider anyone else.

I do find it interesting. Like a dog on a bone, Bernina said, won't give up that bone for hell or high water.

Miss D, I really agree with you. I feel like it had to be someone she was close to. It seems like such a brutal attack. The one thing I can't figure out is why she would not have any clothes on.

You think of an awful argument, something is grabbed from the home and used as a weapon in the heat of the moment. Why remove any clothing then?

To remove any further evidence? To maybe make it seem like a sexual attack?

 

[Luvrosco]

Miss D, I really agree with you. I feel like it had to be someone she was close to. It seems like such a brutal attack. The one thing I can't figure out is why she would not have any clothes on.

You think of an awful argument, something is grabbed from the home and used as a weapon in the heat of the moment. Why remove any clothing then?

To remove any further evidence? To maybe make it seem like a sexual attack?

I wondered about the clothes,too. I thought the same thing about making it look like a sexual attack. As far as we know, there was nothing stated that there was one. Could she have been in the shower when the attack strarted?

 

[MissD]

OK, this is probably a dumb question- but what is BBM?

And yes, it was the current boyfriend Alex who spoke at the funeral. He mentioned they went to the comedy club and I believe it was just the two of them from the way he spoke. (Kind of like even though they weren't huge plans and just the two of them, they always had a great time together no matter what they were doing).

My friends and myself just found some of his stories to be somewhat odd, inappropriate actually. But I know everyone handles grief very differently and maybe his culture is more open like this? We felt as though many comments were somewhat intimate and something you wouldn't necessarily share with the public.

But then again, some people have no problem sharing every little detail. He was very over the top emotional so it was hard to understand what all he was saying. We felt it was hard to tell if really sincere.

This is no way points to someone being a killer but just a little odd if nothing else. I wish there would be more statements from the friends/family. Maybe more tips they could give us to try to sort this all out?

Hey Lilac, BBM means "Bolded by me". You will see this used often here on this forum when you 'reply with a quote' and then you bold certain statements in that quote. Example:

BBM: I have bolded your question in the above quote asking what it means.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts about his comments at the funeral not seeming all that sincere. For you to have those feelings tells me you and your friends really did think things were 'off'.

I don't think you would have posted it otherwise. I'm sure you wouldn't.

I still think it was strange what you said in other post...that he tried to kind of 'downplay' their Valentine's Day night out, calling it "low key". Was that what he said or your interpretation?

Do you recall what made you think that?

 

[MissD]

I wondered about the clothes,too. I thought the same thing about making it look like a sexual attack. As far as we know, there was nothing stated that there was one. Could she have been in the shower when the attack strarted?

BBM: Well, you know I can't hardly stand to hear the name JA, however, wasn't it in the shower that she attacked Travis and killed him?

 

[MissD]

Wouldn't it just be so much easier if the BF would just join WS and come here as a Verified Insider and let us ask him all these questions and give us the answers? Or if her aunt that she was so close to would come in here and brainstorm with us. Or her parents. Or ANYONE close to her. They could tell us who gave Allison the bracelet and oh, so much more.
Yeah, I'm dreaming...

Well that would be great! But we DO have Lilac7 here!

And she knew Allison, used to be a neighbor. Knows a lot of things.

 

[Luvrosco]

BBM: Well, you know I can't hardly stand to hear the name JA, however, wasn't it in the shower that she attacked Travis and killed him?

Yes, it was. I was just thinking as Lilac said,why was she naked?

 

[Cumulus]

I think that LE agrees with you.

"Targeted" "Isolated" "Personal"

PS...And so do I

I think this little bit of info from LE is key, and one of the few key bits of info they have shared with the public, to ease the public's fear of the killer.

I can only post my assumptions, but I ASSUME from their statement that is was personal, and matches their profile of a personal killing. Maybe it was the details of the fight, the lack of a knife or murder weapon brought into the house, and of course the lack of a break in. I assume there are other smaller indicators that we do not know about that lead LE to believe it was a personal attack from someone who knew her well.

I believe that the killing was not planned, and someone had a problem with Allison, and it developed into a fight, which unleashed a terrible rage. We know she fought back bravely, and scratched the suspect, so maybe out of frustration the perpetrator took the fight to another level, couldn't control himself, and grabbed a nearby object to bludgeon her, possibly not with the initial intent to kill, but lost their mind in the heat of the fight. I would guess someone with such an uncontrollable temper will lose their temper again eventually, and at the very least begin a downward spiral, which will hopefully lead to an arrest someday.

I think someone was obsessed with her, and she rejected this person. The thing is, with modern forms of communication, this person MUST have contacted her at some point, and their must be a record of it.

I think the only way this case will never be solved is if the killer was random, and left no trail whatsoever, which doesn't appear to be the case.

 

[MissD]

I think this little bit of info from LE is key, and one of the few key bits of info they have shared with the public, to ease the public's fear of the killer.

I can only post my assumptions, but I ASSUME from their statement that is was personal, and matches their profile of a personal killing. Maybe it was the details of the fight, the lack of a knife or murder weapon brought into the house, and of course the lack of a break in. I assume there are other smaller indicators that we do not know about that lead LE to believe it was a personal attack from someone who knew her well.

I believe that the killing was not planned, and someone had a problem with Allison, and it developed into a fight, which unleashed a terrible rage. We know she fought back bravely, and scratched the suspect, so maybe out of frustration the perpetrator took the fight to another level, couldn't control himself, and grabbed a nearby object to bludgeon her, possibly not with the initial intent to kill, but lost their mind in the heat of the fight. I would guess someone with such an uncontrollable temper will lose their temper again eventually, and at the very least begin a downward spiral, which will hopefully lead to an arrest someday.

I think someone was obsessed with her, and she rejected this person. The thing is, with modern forms of communication, this person MUST have contacted her at some point, and their must be a record of it.

I think the only way this case will never be solved is if the killer was random, and left no trail whatsoever, which doesn't appear to be the case.

I just want to say how much I admire your 'reasoning' skills.

This is probably very much how it might have happened.

These things do happen.....in relationships....all kinds of relationships.....

imo

 

[MissD]

What do you think it would take for someone to lose their temper so badly that they picked up an object and bludgeoned someone they knew well, possibly even loved, and killed them?

What makes people fly into such a rage that they would resort to murder?

 

[Luvrosco]

So true, but who would become so enraged? Do we know anything about any relationships she had prior to Alex? Was there someone that felt spurned and became obsessed? I'm sure LE has this information.

 

[MissD]

I was just thinking...if I were looking to get seriously involved with anyone now, at this point in my life, I think I would have to do a background check on them first. Maybe that's what happened. She might have been involved with someone in her past that had a 'dark background' she was unaware of. Someone who wouldn't let go. Possibly even sociopathic.

But you would think after 10 months they'd get the message. Wouldn't you?

 

[cluciano63]

BBM means "bolded by me" i.e a portion of a post has been highlighted that is being responded to.

 

[Cumulus]

Bingo. This is what really gets me thinking. Now, please refresh my memory...How is it that we know for sure the killer was in the house for that long of a period of time? I am absolutely not doubting you, just wanted to make sure if that was a fact or only a possibility.
IIRC, on the back end, I think they have established time of the killer leaving from video, is that correct? Have they nailed down the arrival time, or just that it could have been from a certain time forward?

I just don't see a random person taking the time to clean up, and linger at the scene of the crime for that long unless they were sure the BF wouldn't be coming back.
A thought about the phone...perhaps the phone was taken so the killer could go through it. For example...maybe it was someone who was jealous and they wanted to snoop and see who all Allison had been in contact with recently. Or maybe to see if Allison had texted/emailed/called anyone and discussed a problem she may have been having with the killer. So they could cover their tracks if need be and have an explanation ready to refute any statements that may have been made about them. Like Miss D, I don't feel that the phone was a 'theft' per se, just that it was taken, either to hide evidence or to know what alibis or explanations they may need to fabricate.

I believe the killer was there from at least 10pm to around 1am, based on what I know from reading this thread, and what info LE has given. LE has stated the killer left around 1am, and Allison's father's text did not go through around 10pm Arizona time (I am not sure about this being the right time, but around this time is a reasonable assumption). Miss D's post earlier shows the what a text that says 'not delivered' looks like, and it seems like this is what Allison's father saw around 10pm. I believe Allison's phone was broken by this time, and the crime had taken place. LE has not stated when they think the crime occurred (to my knowledge), but due to the lack of info I feel all we can do is draw reasonable conclusions based on the few crumbs of info we have.

FOR MISS D

Thank you for keeping this thread alive. Having grown up in the area, this crime has bothered me tremendously. Reading this thread has helped me deal with the empty feeling I get when I think of that nice young lady, so full of life. You wish you could do more to help, and it is a helpless feeling.

 

[Lilac7]

Hey Lilac, BBM means "Bolded by me". You will see this used often here on this forum when you 'reply with a quote' and then you bold certain statements in that quote. Example:

BBM: I have bolded your question in the above quote asking what it means.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts about his comments at the funeral not seeming all that sincere. For you to have those feelings tells me you and your friends really did think things were 'off'.

I don't think you would have posted it otherwise. I'm sure you wouldn't.

I still think it was strange what you said in other post...that he tried to kind of 'downplay' their Valentine's Day night out, calling it "low key". Was that what he said or your interpretation?

Do you recall what made you think that?

Thanks so much for the clarification of BBM!

He did not use the words "low key". That was totally my interpretation. I felt this since he was saying they had so much fun together no matter what they were doing. For example, the wonderful V-Day they had even though they only went to a comedy club and then home together.

I think this is a great date but maybe he meant in comparison to traveling or some of the more extravagant things they had done. I wish she would have posted more after Valentine's Day. It seems all Facebook activity ended there.

 

[Lilac7]

Well that would be great! But we DO have Lilac7 here!

And she knew Allison, used to be a neighbor. Knows a lot of things.

Thank you, will try my best!

 

[Lilac7]

I was just thinking...if I were looking to get seriously involved with anyone now, at this point in my life, I think I would have to do a background check on them first. Maybe that's what happened. She might have been involved with someone in her past that had a 'dark background' she was unaware of. Someone who wouldn't let go. Possibly even sociopathic.

But you would think after 10 months they'd get the message. Wouldn't you?

Yes Miss D, always do a background check! I learned the hard way just recently. I was dating someone for several months and loaned a fair amount of money to them. About a month later, he pretty much fell off the face of the earth. I decided to do some sleuthing and found SO many unfavorable court records.

So wished I would have done some research first! That's another reason this case has so affected me. I feel I was so naive and trusting that something like this could have easily happened to myself. You think you know someone, but do you ever really?

 

[Lilac7]

BBM means "bolded by me" i.e a portion of a post has been highlighted that is being responded to.

Thanks for the clarification! I'm just starting to learn all of these terms on this site.