AZ AZ - Allison Feldman, 31, Scottsdale, 18 Feb 2015 #2

[Cumulus]

What do you think it would take for someone to lose their temper so badly that they picked up an object and bludgeoned someone they knew well, possibly even loved, and killed them?

What makes people fly into such a rage that they would resort to murder?

From the male perspective.... rejection. I remember when I was a kid, and me and my cousin were trying to meet these two young ladies that lived near my cousin. When we finally approached them, they were not interested in us. I remembering wanting to punch a car window, and thought if I did, I could break it. Attractive women bring out an incredible passion in young men, and rejection intensifies that passion.

We know that there was a fight, and Allison fought back well, so it seems likely a man would have to escalate the fight to a higher level, growing in rage as she scratched him, and fought back well. It might have just been a momentary temper tantrum, which unleashed the demons in this person. Maybe they were abused in their youth, and the fight brought back their lack of impulse control, which they had hidden for years. I hear it is common amongst people in prison, a complete lack of impulse control, as if they were standing by and watching themselves go into fight mode.

Possibly the person was extremely remorseful after the fight occurred. So often in murder cases (I watch about on TV), it seems like the death was an accident, or not intentional, yet people are always looking for the villain, the shadowy figure with evil intent. Sometimes when the case is hard to solve or perplexing, it is because there was initially no bad intent, but just snowballed into a crime of passion, or even an accident.

 

[Lilac7]

It's hard to imagine anyone from her past who could have done this since there doesn't seem to be any serious previous boyfriends.

It's been awhile since this has been mentioned but there was someone on FB that had tried to get together with her. I'm sure he was questioned by LE since it was so public. I felt like she really brushed him off and is currently no longer friends with him on FB.

About a month ago this same person became friends with her cousin she was so close to. I could tell it had just happened because on the FB page it said "Recently became friends with..." I found that to be interesting. IMO.

 

[Indy Anna]

It's hard to imagine anyone from her past who could have done this since there doesn't seem to be any serious previous boyfriends.

It's been awhile since this has been mentioned but there was someone on FB that had tried to get together with her. I'm sure he was questioned by LE since it was so public. I felt like she really brushed him off and is currently no longer friends with him on FB.

About a month ago this same person became friends with her cousin she was so close to. I could tell it had just happened because on the FB page it said "Recently became friends with..." I found that to be interesting. IMO.

That is very interesting. Sounds like he was looking for a way to stay close to AF although she rejected him. Cumulus made a good observation about some murders being a result of passion/accidental (momentarily lost temper and self-control), but I don't believe that was the case here. Like others have mentioned, I have problems with AF being found naked. I think the killer was likely a sociopath who had an obsession with Allison.

If only we knew how the killer got in her house. Did AF invite him in? Did he arrive at the front door and force his way in? Could he have found his way in earlier, perhaps while AF was out, through an unlocked door or window and hid in her bedroom closet? Maybe she was changing into her PJ's in the bedroom when he attacked her. Such a frightening thought, but it's one explanation of why she was found unclothed.

 

[Deleted member 50844]

From the male perspective.... rejection. I remember when I was a kid, and me and my cousin were trying to meet these two young ladies that lived near my cousin. When we finally approached them, they were not interested in us. I remembering wanting to punch a car window, and thought if I did, I could break it. Attractive women bring out an incredible passion in young men, and rejection intensifies that passion.

We know that there was a fight, and Allison fought back well, so it seems likely a man would have to escalate the fight to a higher level, growing in rage as she scratched him, and fought back well. It might have just been a momentary temper tantrum, which unleashed the demons in this person. Maybe they were abused in their youth, and the fight brought back their lack of impulse control, which they had hidden for years. I hear it is common amongst people in prison, a complete lack of impulse control, as if they were standing by and watching themselves go into fight mode.

Possibly the person was extremely remorseful after the fight occurred. So often in murder cases (I watch about on TV), it seems like the death was an accident, or not intentional, yet people are always looking for the villain, the shadowy figure with evil intent. Sometimes when the case is hard to solve or perplexing, it is because there was initially no bad intent, but just snowballed into a crime of passion, or even an accident.

Oh my gosh, Cumulus. We are on the same page here tonight. It could be rejection, paranoia, suspicion, a look or something spoken that was taken the wrong way or something not even related to the intrapersonal relationship.

 

[Lilac7]

Midge Montana - No offense taken whatsoever! I had to think about what you were even referencing. I don't get easily offended anyway.

You are correct - I do not know Allison's day to day activities and am only a friend from the past. I do know they are a really wonderful family and what has happened to Allison has been extremely shocking and devastating.

I don't think they have any clue who could have done this either. - IMO only. That's what makes this so hard to fathom is that everyone really did like Allison. She was a lovely girl with a lot of good morals and a strong head on her shoulders.

I'm sorry about your husband. That sounds very scary and difficult to deal with. I've also known someone with extreme anger issues and they really can snap- seem to turn into a completely different person. I think this could have definitely happened with someone with Allison.

That's very helpful about your phone issue. I just got my iphone 6 a few months ago and have not had this happen yet. If it is a glitch, maybe that undeliverable text from her dad is irrelevant.

As I was thinking of the timeframe and of how unusual it was for the perp to be at the house for so long I had a thought.

Maybe the visit (if it was someone she knew which is what I am thinking) didn't go bad until closer to 1 AM when he was reported leaving.

 

[Deleted member 50844]

It's hard to imagine anyone from her past who could have done this since there doesn't seem to be any serious previous boyfriends.

It's been awhile since this has been mentioned but there was someone on FB that had tried to get together with her. I'm sure he was questioned by LE since it was so public. I felt like she really brushed him off and is currently no longer friends with him on FB.

About a month ago this same person became friends with her cousin she was so close to. I could tell it had just happened because on the FB page it said "Recently became friends with..." I found that to be interesting. IMO.

Now THAT....is very interesting. Removed as friends with Allison, prior to her death. Recently becomes friends with the aunt. Keeping a finger on the pulse??? Hmmm...

 

[Lilac7]

I know, right? I couldn't believe that when I saw it. There have been several "likes" and a few comments here and there. I sure would like to know how they connected.

 

[Indy Anna]

I know, right? I couldn't believe that when I saw it. There have been several "likes" and a few comments here and there. I sure would like to know how they connected.

He could have just looked at AF's friends list, maybe focusing on relatives, and then sent the cousin a friend request. I have received friend requests from friends of friends but, unless I know the person myself or know a little about them, I ignore the request. I wonder if AF's cousin knew the man, even if only by name?

 

[Cumulus]

WARNING: GRAPHIC
One big clue about the murder would be the condition of Allison's clothes that she would have been wearing when the killer arrived. What condition were they in? Were they torn? Did they have her blood on them? Since she fought back, I would guess the killer had a hard time removing her clothes if rape was their intent. The clothes, if not torn, were probably removed after the attack, which to me would signify either a very sick rapist, or someone trying to stage a rape.

The credit cards being take suggests to me someone staging a robbery. What criminal with enough knowledge to break into a house with a security sign would be dumb enough to steal credit cards to use somewhere else? As has been mentioned earlier in this thread, if the credit cards were stolen to stage a robbery, then an attempted rape could very well have been staged too. This makes me think the bleach used to hide the DNA could also have been part of the ploy, to make the scene look like a robbery-rape. Yet somehow LE believes this was not random, despite the killer trying to hide the DNA. So either she was raped, and the DNA was really used to cover up the DNA, or she was not raped, and the bleach was part of the ploy, part of a coverup.

This leads me to the question, IF it was a coverup, a staged robbery and rape, then why? What psychopath would attempt to stage a scene? Of course I could understand the use of the bleach, but why make it look like a rape and robbery? Doesn't make sense. I imagine the police profilers look at these cases and put them in certain categories... the hannibal lecters tend to do this, the crimes of passion tend to do this, etc.

LE would know certain details that we don't, and would probably know forensic details about whether she was raped or not, so they must know if the scene was staged or not. Wish we knew that too.

 

[Deleted member 50844]

Good questions Cumulus. I agree with you that the cards were not stolen to be used elsewhere. Even a dumb criminal would know that in the wake of a horrific murder the credit cards would be quickly tracked by LE. If the killer dd spend an extended amount of time in the house after the murder, perhaps he was trying to think of the best way to cover his tracks. I would imagine he would be in an extremely panicked state of mind and possibly thinking in circles. Which would make sense of why some of the things we know raise so many questions. Why take a bracelet and 'some' jewelry, while presumably leaving other jewelry there? Why take credit cards that cannot be used but would mean big trouble to get caught with on his/her person? Were there other valuables that were left in the home such as expensive electronics, etc. Why take a phone that can be pinged, unless it was already destroyed and in that case why not leave it there? I stated one of my theories about the phone earlier tonight and that is the only reason I can think of to take the phone. Most people know that the cell phone records of called and texted-to numbers can and would be easily gotten by the police. Also, I believe that law enforcement can get the actual content of texts from the carrier.
And most disturbing and puzzling to me, why stick around to clean up the scene? If it was a stranger, they wouldn't know if anyone might drop in to visit or if she was expecting company, or if her partner would be returning home. That fact, coupled with the covered head really makes me believe it was someone who knew her and knew her well.

 

[Cumulus]

Good questions Cumulus. I agree with you that the cards were not stolen to be used elsewhere. Even a dumb criminal would know that in the wake of a horrific murder the credit cards would be quickly tracked by LE. If the killer dd spend an extended amount of time in the house after the murder, perhaps he was trying to think of the best way to cover his tracks. I would imagine he would be in an extremely panicked state of mind and possibly thinking in circles. Which would make sense of why some of the things we know raise so many questions. Why take a bracelet and 'some' jewelry, while presumably leaving other jewelry there? Why take credit cards that cannot be used but would mean big trouble to get caught with on his/her person? Were there other valuables that were left in the home such as expensive electronics, etc. Why take a phone that can be pinged, unless it was already destroyed and in that case why not leave it there? I stated one of my theories about the phone earlier tonight and that is the only reason I can think of to take the phone. Most people know that the cell phone records of called and texted-to numbers can and would be easily gotten by the police. Also, I believe that law enforcement can get the actual content of texts from the carrier.
And most disturbing and puzzling to me, why stick around to clean up the scene? If it was a stranger, they wouldn't know if anyone might drop in to visit or if she was expecting company, or if her partner would be returning home. That fact, coupled with the covered head really makes me believe it was someone who knew her and knew her well.

I agree the killer was probably in a state of panic, wondering what to clean up, and what to leave alone. LE has determined the killer left around 1am, so that alone makes me think this person was not a very experienced or expert criminal. In addition the missing credit cards could very well be the result of someone who had not planned this crime out well, if at all, and could have taken hours to figure out what to do with the crime scene.

At least LE must know the answer to some of the questions we can only speculate about, such as what time the service to Allison's phone was stopped. This time is probably IMHO the time of death.

Let's just hope this criminal made other missteps, and LE is drawing the net around a suspect tighter.

 

[MissD]

WOW!

What a great day we had today and so many fantastic posts. I had to spend the evening fixing my BF's computer he got somehow locked out of. Go figure! But when I came back I was so impressed over the posts I read them over and over.

You guys/girls are terrific!

It's so wonderful to see everyone working together as a team.

I love it!

:loveyou:

PS...I won't be around until late tomorrow afternoon (Monday afternoon). Just wanted you to know. But I'll jump on soon as I get home.

 

[Luvrosco]

I agree with the above posts. I don't think it was planned or done by a stranger. The credit cards issue also makes sense. This person never planned to use them,IMO.

 

[Luvrosco]

Just to add this is why LE has told the public that they are not in danger.

 

[colette]

The neighbor who had been spying on her?

No...this was on the local WS news. Just one of the many speculations here by those of us with interesting theories.

And I think that LE stating it might be someone in the area added fire to the fuel. Or vice versa.

I have not seen anything in the media about a neighbor spying on her. If it was broadcast on a local show it seems to me it would be on their site or somewhere else. That is a big thing if someone was mentioned spying on her, and would have been all over the media if true I would think. What channel broadcast this?

 

[Luvrosco]

I have not seen anything in the media about a neighbor spying on her. If it was broadcast on a local show it seems to me it would be on their site or somewhere else. That is a big thing if someone was mentioned spying on her, and would have been all over the media if true I would think. What channel broadcast this?

The neighbor thing wasn't reported by LE or MSN. It was just a theory one of our WS people put out there as a possible perp.

 

[colette]

I have not seen anything in the media about a neighbor spying on her. If it was broadcast on a local show it seems to me it would be on their site or somewhere else. That is a big thing if someone was mentioned spying on her, and would have been all over the media if true I would think. What channel broadcast this?[/QUOTE

The neighbor thing wasn't reported by LE or MSN. It was just a theory one of our WS people put out there as a possible perp.

Oh I get it. I had said there could have been a peeping tom, but I thought Miss D was saying that she saw a news story on one. Thanks.

 

[nancydrew71]

Oh I get it. I had said there could have been a peeping tom, but I thought Miss D was saying that she saw a news story on one. Thanks.

I think LE said it could be someone living close by.

 

[nancydrew71]

If this is someone she knew, how would he know the BF left? He didn't call, LE would have found that on her phone. He would not have parked his car and waited, that would be too conspicuous and neighbors would have remembered a parked car for sure. SO, who would have seen the BF leave and who knows she lives alone? A neighbor. Who else would see the comings and goings of her BF either opening the garage or leaving the driveway? A neighbor.

 

[Luvrosco]

Or someone that was stalking her.