AZ - Chief surgeon & family found dead in fire

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Well that is just downright strange. Narcotics and skull fracture in the doctor, Narcan in the son (but no narcotics? if there were I'd think someone had second thoughts), and no drugs in the husband.

Surgeons, despite having ready access to narcotics, have a relatively low rate of substance abuse compared to other specialties. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10334373
 
  • #23
I know that the husband a victim here too, but it is very suspicious. The woman was dead already from a skull fracture, narcotics, or combination of the two. She had no smoke inhalation so she was dead before the fire. The son had drugs in his system too. But, no mention of whether or not he had smoke inhalation.

Sounds to me like, the father drugged them both. Hit the wife in the head, then set fire in the garage.
 
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What if --- dad drugs son to keep him from witnessing mom's murder. Dad murders mom- and dad gives a dose of narcan to son to bring him round, except he underdoses and son dies. Fire is then set. Dad is unable to escape.

It would explain the circumstances, right? No, because it doesn't explain the son's negative drug screen.

What if the son was given some rapidly metabolized drug instead (a paralytic like pavulon or cisaturonium or vecuronium). Dad gives narcan not understanding that it only works on narcotics.

Here's what I do not know. If naloxone (narcan) metabolizes the narcotic so completely that it is rendered undetectable. Seems like there would be a trace in the urine even so.
 
  • #28
I think that the metabolites for everything would show up in toxicology even if there were trace amounts - even the naloxone.

http://jat.oxfordjournals.org/content/31/7/394.full.pdf

Scary to think that the son might have been given a paralytic or something. Interesting theory!
 
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Don't laugh, but I watched a Forensic Files episode about the use of these quickly metabolized paralytics and how undetectable they are. I believe it was succinylcholine.
 
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Oh I'm not laughing!! When I was in nursing school I worked in the skills lab. One of my jobs was to sort through bags of donated stuff. I had a bunch of vials that I was filling up with water to practice injections with and one of the ones that had come in HAD SUCCINYLCHOLINE IN IT! I about died (after looking it up in the drug book out of curiosity, that is). Terrifying!

I've never worked OR - is a paralytic that something that could walk out? Or is everything all pxysis-ized there, too? It wouldn't be in an office for any reason, right?
 
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It should never be in an office- but who knows how bad people get hold of things.

And that is one scary story- sux sucks as we say.
 
  • #32
The doctor didn't die from the drugs in her system, but she also had no sign of smoke inhalation. So she was dead before the fire. Dead either due to skull fracture prior to fire and roof collapse, or due to some other means that were undetectable (strangulation?)

Video footage of scene of fire:

[video=youtube;_yD4Krt9WvI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yD4Krt9WvI[/video]
 
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Things we know:

1.) One of the two adults gave Narcan to the child. The only reason to give Narcan is to reverse the action of opioids.

2.) Mother had non-lethal levels of morphine and codeine in her blood but no CO from smoke.

3.) Mother was scheduled to perform surgery that morning.

4.) Child found in upstairs bedroom.

5.) Mother found in upstairs bedroom.

6.) Father had no drugs in system, found in garage which was least burned area.


Scenario #1 - Father killed mother during an argument either the night before or very early that morning by striking her on head with something, fracturing her skull. She was abusing opiates and had opiates in her system, but not a lethal dose. And she kept Narcan in the home "just in case".

Father panics. Administers some opioid to child as child sleeps in order for the child not to awaken and find mother dead.

Father decides to cover murder of wife with a house fire. He plans to "save" child but will be "unable to save" mother. Immediately prior to setting fire in family room, father administers Narcan to child in order to reverse opioids he had given to child. He plans to set fire, then go up and rescue child from the fire.

He sets fire and it is immediately out of hand. Too much accelerant. He is engulfed by flames/smoke. In panic he attempts to flee via garage, where he is overcome by smoke and dies.
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The arson investigators may solve this crime by determining what accelerant was used. For that house to have been engulfed and leveled like that, there had to be a heck of an accelerant. Gasoline? Did father spill some on himself? Did a gas can explode while in his hand?

There is likely info from father's autopsy that has not been released. Wonder what injuries/burns his body had? It said he was the least burned.
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I cannot think of a plausible scenario where the mother is drugging the child and starting the fire. And I think whoever drugged the child also started the fire.

The father "worked for the mother". So he was her Practice Manager? Giving access to the money. Wonder if he was stealing from the practice? Wonder if he had a skinny girlfriend? (Sorry, but this doctor was a HUGE woman.)

One of the articles said police were examining the financials of the medical practice. They would be looking for anything hinky there.
 
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One more reason to check into the financials...dad had a penchant for collecting fancy cars.
 
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I think about this case sometimes. It's so very strange and I can't find any updates. Has anyone heard of any progress at all? It all just sort of...went away.
 

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