AZ AZ - Daniel Robinson, 24, remote job site, Buckeye, 23 Jun 2021 #2

[JJ Ray]

Yes, however Since LE believes the podcast was influential enough to trigger something in Daniel, hopefully they were able to specifically locate and view the exact podcast that the theory is based upon. I would like to watch it for insight, persuasiveness, rhetoric, etc…Maybe LE is correct on this and maybe not.

IMO you have been influenced by David's accounts of what Buckeye PD may or may not have told him or his own conclusions. I distinctly recall in some media in October, David making this claim. He takes certain things out of context or exaggerates them to keep the narrative alive that Daniel was not responsible for the wreck.

 

[JJ Ray]

So its certain that the vehicle accelerated before crashing. Was it at a high rate of speed? I know (I could be wrong) or think it was stated 30 miles an hour. If it was going that speed not that I'm disputing it, I just think there would be a lot more damage to the Jeep especially from where it went down to where it landed and rolled. I could be wrong though. So then originally maybe the speed was low and not fast?

No it was going almost 30 at IMPACT but impact is a 45 degree V sloped ravine of loose rock and an underlayer of "caliche" (compacted sand). It then slow rolled to the left across the nose and upper windshield with not much other than side mirrors on ground due to the steepness of the ravine. For example the roof would never have hit ground since the weight is all forward in the engine. see photos.

 

[5W's]

No it was going almost 30 at IMPACT but impact is a 45 degree V sloped ravine of loose rock and an underlayer of "caliche" (compacted sand). It then slow rolled to the left across the nose and upper windshield with not much other than side mirrors on ground due to the steepness of the ravine. For example the roof would never have hit ground since the weight is all forward in the engine. see photos.

Thanks that clears that up then about the force and impact. I forgot about the caliche and loose rocks also. When did it accelerate while going down the ravine or several feet before reaching the ravine? Or at least any idea when it started accelerating? I'm also guessing cruise control wasn't on? Would the Jeep's system be able to tell if cruise control was on?

 

[capitola51]

So its certain that the vehicle accelerated before crashing. Was it at a high rate of speed? I know (I could be wrong) or think it was stated 30 miles an hour. If it was going that speed not that I'm disputing it, I just think there would be a lot more damage to the Jeep especially from where it went down to where it landed and rolled. I could be wrong though. So then originally maybe the speed was low and not fast?

That's a great point. The wheels could have been spinning and so the vehicle telemetry recorded that speed, but the actual speed over the ground could have been lower.

 

[JJ Ray]

Thanks that clears that up then about the force and impact. I forgot about the caliche and loose rocks also. When did it accelerate while going down the ravine or several feet before reaching the ravine? Or at least any idea when it started accelerating? I'm also guessing cruise control wasn't on? Would the Jeep's system be able to tell if cruise control was on?

This is a photo I took approximately 20-25 yds from the top of the ravine. IMO it shows an acceleration prior to going into the ravine.

 

[5W's]

This is a photo I took approximately 20-25 yds from the top of the ravine. IMO it shows an acceleration prior to going into the ravine.

Okay, thank you for the helpful photos. Any info if cruise control was on? I'm just looking at everything. I don't even know if it would be helpful to know in this instance but its always good to know if something happened or didn't happen IMO.

 

[capitola51]

Okay, thank you for the helpful photos. Any info if cruise control was on? I'm just looking at everything. I don't even know if it would be helpful to know in this instance but its always good to know if something happened or didn't happen IMO.

We would only know that from the vehicle data, which sadly has so far not been released to the public.

 

[Valiant]

Okay, thank you for the helpful photos. Any info if cruise control was on? I'm just looking at everything. I don't even know if it would be helpful to know in this instance but its always good to know if something happened or didn't happen IMO.

Cruise control is only available at speeds above 20 mph according the the jeep's owner's manual. So unless the Jeep was above that speed the whole time, it was unlikely it was engaged.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

I'm not @Eyerish Eyes but I guessing this is what he/she is referring to?
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My guess is those folks are either LE or from San Tan Recon, who apparently went there that day and who I assume is operating the drone to take the photo. MOO

They could be a pair of Saguaro cactus. They seem to be too sticklike to be human to me. The shadows are similar to Saguaro without arms. I would think police would have used a vehicle since there is a nice and clear track for car use.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

They could be a pair of Saguaro cactus. They seem to be too sticklike to be human to me. The shadows are similar to Saguaro without arms. I would think police would have used a vehicle since there is a nice and clear track for car use.

Maybe, but to me they are clearly people, not organic to the background. There are other saguaros visible in the panoramic photo and they are green, while those two 'sticks' appear black. Not to mention those 'sticks' are right in the road.

Also I'm sure LE did arrive in a vehicle but it makes sense they would park a ways away and walk, to minimize the chance the vehicle accidentally obliterates any potential evidence.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

Maybe, but to me they are clearly people, not organic to the background. There are other saguaros visible in the panoramic photo and they are green, while those two 'sticks' appear black. Not to mention those 'sticks' are right in the road.

Also I'm sure LE did arrive in a vehicle but it makes sense they would park a ways away and walk, to minimize the chance the vehicle accidentally obliterates any potential evidence.

It seems beside the road not in the road. They just don't have "people dimensions" to me. But they do have Saguaro dimensions.

 

[Eyerish Eyes]

The July 9 webpage shows a map for civil patrol. The coordinates for the well site as well as coordinates for crash location are shown. An inconsistency is that on July 9 the location of the vehicle was unknown. Wondering if these are accurate coordinates.

The Daniel Robinson Investigation Overview | City of Buckeye

 

[5W's]

The July 9 webpage shows a map for civil patrol. The coordinates for the well site as well as coordinates for crash location are shown. An inconsistency is that on July 9 the location of the vehicle was unknown. Wondering if these are accurate coordinates.

The Daniel Robinson Investigation Overview | City of Buckeye

It does say July 9th. I wonder how this inconsistency occurred.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

The July 9 webpage shows a map for civil patrol. The coordinates for the well site as well as coordinates for crash location are shown. An inconsistency is that on July 9 the location of the vehicle was unknown. Wondering if these are accurate coordinates.

The Daniel Robinson Investigation Overview | City of Buckeye

I'm guessing they updated their map as information came along and either didn't retain an earlier version or simply chose the wrong image to post on the timeline (which was presumably not made until after the jeep was found)

MOO

 

[5W's]

It seems beside the road not in the road. They just don't have "people dimensions" to me. But they do have Saguaro dimensions.

They look out of place and are dark colored unlike the rest of the vegetation. They clearly sitck out.

 

[JJ Ray]

The July 9 webpage shows a map for civil patrol. The coordinates for the well site as well as coordinates for crash location are shown. An inconsistency is that on July 9 the location of the vehicle was unknown. Wondering if these are accurate coordinates.

The Daniel Robinson Investigation Overview | City of Buckeye

@5W's @Eyerish Eyes
The red dot is last known location, which is the "T" junction where he heads "further west". Not the "crash" location.

The photo of the Jeep is from a drone the day of discovery is my understanding. The people are possibly the drone operators themselves??? This has been thoroughly discussed in prior posts. That "road" is a barely worn ranchers track. Most vehicles could not get up the slope (out of frame lower right). Other vehicle's staged to the east and southeast (again just out of frame to the left)

 

[5W's]

This question is directed to JJ Ray. I was wondering about the pallet in one video on this case. I would have to go back and look at where I saw it. In recent past I have tried to find it but can't now. Anyways, since I can't find it now I was interested to know where did that pallet come from. It just seems so random where I believe Daniel's Jeep was found. It is out of place. I think the video was an inteview with the first P.I. Daniel's father hired. Can anyone shed some info on the pallet seen in the video?

 

[JJ Ray]

This question is directed to JJ Ray. I was wondering about the pallet in one video on this case. I would have to go back and look at where I saw it. In recent past I have tried to find it but can't now. Anyways, since I can't find it now I was interested to know where did that pallet come from. It just seems so random where I believe Daniel's Jeep was found. It is out of place. I think the video was an interview with the first P.I. Daniel's father hired. Can anyone shed some info on the pallet seen in the video?

It is in the "sock" video which I believe is the first local newscast after he was hired. It would be dated sometime early August IIRC.
First, the sock location where he points out the pallet (and that it looks out of place) is just a short distance from the Well Site not the wreck site. Perhaps a half mile. My best guess is attached as where it was found. Brown X, well site Red Square.
Second, A pallet is not out of place in that area. It was the relative newness of the pallet that got his attention. There are all types of construction items about, old water tanks, cement block, fencing, planks, etc. The land has been in development since 2003 with many aborted starts and delays. Parcels cleared, wells sunk, detention basins dug, etc. Note on the map the open cleared area just north of cactus access road. That as we speak is now the site of a well being drilled. In addition, people take all kinds of things to shoot up or simply discard.

 

[Eyerish Eyes]

The foot search today was at Tuthill & Elliott. Am curious why that area was relevant.

 

[5W's]

It is in the "sock" video which I believe is the first local newscast after he was hired. It would be dated sometime early August IIRC.
First, the sock location where he points out the pallet (and that it looks out of place) is just a short distance from the Well Site not the wreck site. Perhaps a half mile. My best guess is attached as where it was found. Brown X, well site Red Square.
Second, A pallet is not out of place in that area. It was the relative newness of the pallet that got his attention. There are all types of construction items about, old water tanks, cement block, fencing, planks, etc. The land has been in development since 2003 with many aborted starts and delays. Parcels cleared, wells sunk, detention basins dug, etc. Note on the map the open cleared area just north of cactus access road. That as we speak is now the site of a well being drilled. In addition, people take all kinds of things to shoot up or simply discard.
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Thanks now it makes sense about the pallet. So the sock was found by the worksite? I don't recall Daniel's socks being by the Jeep only his boots and obviously the other items found, but not socks.