AZ AZ - Daniel Robinson, 24, remote job site, Buckeye, 23 Jun 2021 #2

[mlhenn]

So the sock was found by the worksite? I don't recall Daniel's socks being by the Jeep only his boots and obviously the other items found, but not socks.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21080582/robinson-report-9-23-21.pdf

Pg. 30 of Police Report:
(It includes items found by the Jeep.)
OBSERVED A PAIR OF JEANS INSIDE OUT, TWO BROWN WORK TYPE BOOTS, A FADED ORANGE VEST WITH THE
COMPANY LOGO, A TEE SHIRT AND TWO SOCKS WHICH WERE INSIDE OUT.

The mention of another sock discovered is found on pg 37.
(It involves an interview with the PI.)
JEFF ADVISED THAT DURING A SEARCH OF THE DESERT AREA, NEAR THE ROADWAY THAT LEADS BACK TO SUN VALLEY PARKWAY FROM THE JOB SITE, THEY LOCATED A SOCK WHICH
WAS SUN FADED AND HAD BEEN IN THE DESERT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. JEFF ADVISED THAT THE SOCK MATCHED THE SOCKS FOUND BY DANIEL'S CAR AND ALL OF THE SOCKS MATCHED THOSE FOUND IN DANIEL'S APARTMENT.

 

[Eyerish Eyes]

@5W's @Eyerish Eyes
The red dot is last known location, which is the "T" junction where he heads "further west". Not the "crash" location.

The photo of the Jeep is from a drone the day of discovery is my understanding. The people are possibly the drone operators themselves??? This has been thoroughly discussed in prior posts. That "road" is a barely worn ranchers track. Most vehicles could not get up the slope (out of frame lower right). Other vehicle's staged to the east and southeast (again just out of frame to the left)

The reason I was questioning the coordinates is because I located a July 11th satellite image due to the wildfires that were happening last summer, and I wanted to look at the crash site prior to discovery. Sounds way easier than it is. This is the link with the date of July 11.
BAER Team Assessment of Rafael Fire Impacts - InciWeb the Incident Information System

 

[JJ Ray]

The foot search today was at Tuthill & Elliott. Am curious why that area was relevant.

I haven't checked the website in a awhile. that is interesting. Never knew a very short section of Elliot is in the east valley. That must be from a new "tip".

One major issue is that is UPSTREAM from any place Daniel's body could have moved from the Hassayampa. I have been as low as the railroad bridge and the Gila River confluence. Someone would have had to have found him and moved him there IMOO.

I remember a tip from a "psychic" who told them in late July that Daniel was in a body of water with a small pier. A volunteer dive team went into Hidden Lake which is downstream from this point (but still upstream from the Hassayampa and Gila confluence). Nothing was found.

 

[JJ Ray]

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21080582/robinson-report-9-23-21.pdf

Pg. 30 of Police Report:
(It includes items found by the Jeep.)
OBSERVED A PAIR OF JEANS INSIDE OUT, TWO BROWN WORK TYPE BOOTS, A FADED ORANGE VEST WITH THE
COMPANY LOGO, A TEE SHIRT AND TWO SOCKS WHICH WERE INSIDE OUT.

The mention of another sock discovered is found on pg 37.
(It involves an interview with the PI.)
JEFF ADVISED THAT DURING A SEARCH OF THE DESERT AREA, NEAR THE ROADWAY THAT LEADS BACK TO SUN VALLEY PARKWAY FROM THE JOB SITE, THEY LOCATED A SOCK WHICH
WAS SUN FADED AND HAD BEEN IN THE DESERT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. JEFF ADVISED THAT THE SOCK MATCHED THE SOCKS FOUND BY DANIEL'S CAR AND ALL OF THE SOCKS MATCHED THOSE FOUND IN DANIEL'S APARTMENT.

This escaped me upon reading. We and media had been told the all socks where black but one found at the wreck site was Adidas and one was Nike. A Nike was found near the roadway that leads back to Sun Valley Parkway. Other Adidas and Nikes were found in the apartment.

As I've implied, I believe Jeff McGrath was much looser with his statements to the press than with Buckeye PD. But here is a screen grab of the socks that appeared in the second video when he talks about damage to the car looking "staged".

IMO its all immaterial. As I've mentioned there had been other workers previously in the area over the last ten years. Or if subscribing to a nap in the morning perhaps Daniel removed his Work boots and socks and ended up losing one and grabbed another one that was in the car (which points to perhaps other clothing being available.

 

[JJ Ray]

The reason I was questioning the coordinates is because I located a July 11th satellite image due to the wildfires that were happening last summer, and I wanted to look at the crash site prior to discovery. Sounds way easier than it is. This is the link with the date of July 11.
BAER Team Assessment of Rafael Fire Impacts - InciWeb the Incident Information System

This clearly looks like this company just puts ICONS at the location of the wildfires and burns. It is not a "live" satellite feed. If it were, when you switch over to "Aerial" you would see smoke from the Rafael Fire for example. You do not. This looks like the base map that Microsoft uses for it's map apps. I know from knowledge of the area that Googles satellite view of the area is about 18-24 months old.

 

[Eyerish Eyes]

I haven't checked the website in a awhile. that is interesting. Never knew a very short section of Elliot is in the east valley. That must be from a new "tip".

One major issue is that is UPSTREAM from any place Daniel's body could have moved from the Hassayampa. I have been as low as the railroad bridge and the Gila River confluence. Someone would have had to have found him and moved him there IMOO.

I remember a tip from a "psychic" who told them in late July that Daniel was in a body of water with a small pier. A volunteer dive team went into Hidden Lake which is downstream from this point (but still upstream from the Hassayampa and Gila confluence). Nothing was found.

The website includes a map to show where the foot search volunteers were to meet. It is Rainbow Valley vicinity which borders Goodyear. The significance there is that Goodyear HOA complaints frequently involve homeless camps. Most of those are north of I-10. Was wondering if the search was focusing on that aspect as they also pass out flyers in downtown Phx.

 

[Eyerish Eyes]

Thanks for checking it out. I had hoped that the July 11 date was a captured and authentic image.

 

[5W's]

I haven't checked the website in a awhile. that is interesting. Never knew a very short section of Elliot is in the east valley. That must be from a new "tip".

One major issue is that is UPSTREAM from any place Daniel's body could have moved from the Hassayampa. I have been as low as the railroad bridge and the Gila River confluence. Someone would have had to have found him and moved him there IMOO.

I remember a tip from a "psychic" who told them in late July that Daniel was in a body of water with a small pier. A volunteer dive team went into Hidden Lake which is downstream from this point (but still upstream from the Hassayampa and Gila confluence). Nothing was found.

But animals can move a body. I realize you as SAR are aware of that. In no way am I being fastitious. I was just pointing out something. You obviously know the area and are saying it from that perspective which I appreciate. But as SAR don't personnel check other areas as well. I mean if animals moved the body or scavenged it, it could be anywhere really. So then what is the mandate for that sort of thing. I realize resources are limited but its just that the aim is to try and find Daniel's body. I suppose then it would be up to the family right? Desert is so huge so I can understand the limited resources official SAR teams. Again please don't take the statement other than a question about mandates that's all it is. Thanks.

 

[JJ Ray]

The website includes a map to show where the foot search volunteers were to meet. It is Rainbow Valley vicinity which borders Goodyear. The significance there is that Goodyear HOA complaints frequently involve homeless camps. Most of those are north of I-10. Was wondering if the search was focusing on that aspect as they also pass out flyers in downtown Phx.

That could be. Daniel is not in a homeless camp IMOO.

 

[JJ Ray]

But animals can move a body. I realize you as SAR are aware of that. In no way am I being fastitious. I was just pointing out something. You obviously know the area and are saying it from that perspective which I appreciate. But as SAR don't personnel check other areas as well. I mean if animals moved the body or scavenged it, it could be anywhere really. So then what is the mandate for that sort of thing. I realize resources are limited but its just that the aim is to try and find Daniel's body. I suppose then it would be up to the family right? Desert is so huge so I can understand the limited resources official SAR teams. Again please don't take the statement other than a question about mandates that's all it is. Thanks.

Not sure how I came off ...I was just pointing out the unlikely aspect of the body moving all the way to Elliot and Tuthill Rd. No animal or waterflow could move it there. @Eyerish Eyes pointed out, I think quite correctly, there are homeless camps along the Gila and further upstream at the Salt River bottom. If David is searching the homeless population in Phx, it would make sense to check out some key homeless spots.

All ground searches to this point were recovery based, as far as I know. I was formerly part of Search and Rescue BUT I am not certified SAR. Evan Short is the last Search Coordinator I know of attached to the effort. I don't know who David Robinson has tapped as a PI or SAR coordinator.

Danial IMO is not in a homeless camp. This is all to keep the narrative going. If you haven't watched my video of the terrain and crash site it is re-attached below. We are talking minimum of 80 square miles of rough rocky desert. He simply hasn't been found.

Daniel Crash Scene.mp4

 

[5W's]

Not sure how I came off ...I was just pointing out the unlikely aspect of the body moving all the way to Elliot and Tuthill Rd. No animal or waterflow could move it there. @Eyerish Eyes pointed out, I think quite correctly, there are homeless camps along the Gila and further upstream at the Salt River bottom. If David is searching the homeless population in Phx, it would make sense to check out some key homeless spots.

All ground searches to this point were recovery based, as far as I know. I was formerly part of Search and Rescue BUT I am not certified SAR. Evan Short is the last Search Coordinator I know of attached to the effort. I don't know who David Robinson has tapped as a PI or SAR coordinator.

Danial IMO is not in a homeless camp. This is all to keep the narrative going. If you haven't watched my video of the terrain and crash site it is re-attached below. We are talking minimum of 80 square miles of rough rocky desert. He simply hasn't been found.

Daniel Crash Scene.mp4

I haven't looked at a map but geesh it looks so much bigger than a possible 80 square miles. IMO it looks endless, that's what I meant by the vastness and mandate for search and rescue or recovery. Also IMO Daniel's body could really be anywhere because of animals as I said. Oh and I hope I didn't make you think that you came off in any way because I didn't notice that or thought of that. I just noticed you metnioning about the body being moved so it was a cue that I responded to. In fact I didn't even realize that you and the original poster were talking about homeless camps. Even though you aren't officially SAR you know the terrain so for us it is knowledge we can ask you and it is appreciated. By the way I did see the video you posted before and it was helpful in understanding what the terrain looks like. Thanks.

 

[5W's]

Daniel's socks being found inside out can indicate he had other clothing and put it on. But IMO that's a rational thought as I said before (not about the socks specifically) about his clothing being wet perhaps. Maybe he was disoriented and didn't know to turn around and head back to his worksite, if it was myself I would walk back. Then again maybe he was nude and didn't walk back to his worksite. But then that's the question why wouldn't he, perhaps he didn't have clothing but that's unlikely because he's out in the field so he would have other clothes to wear. So I am going to assume he was not nude. So what happened? Another thing that makes me wonder is he knew the terrain so why would he go so off into the vegetation? Why not stay on the path that you originally were on. I realize one could say he was disoriented by this point. But he just left his worksite (I'm stting aside the time or hours unknown in this scenario.) It doesn't make sense to me his leaving the path. Its like he either fell asleep at the wheel or was trying to get away from something.

 

[Eyerish Eyes]

At least three men were arrested on suspicion of kidnapping and assaulting a man who was riding with a friend to sell a horse in Wickenburg.
3 arrested in kidnapping, beating of man left naked in the desert
This happened 4 months after Daniel disappeared. The defendants live in Wittman, which is not far from the work site. I hope BPD and DPS are in communication with each other.

 

[5W's]

At least three men were arrested on suspicion of kidnapping and assaulting a man who was riding with a friend to sell a horse in Wickenburg.
3 arrested in kidnapping, beating of man left naked in the desert
This happened 4 months after Daniel disappeared. The defendants live in Wittman, which is not far from the work site. I hope BPD and DPS are in communication with each other.

I heard about this, yes its disturbing. I also am concerned about this and Daniel. The man was left to die and those who did it thought they wouldn't get caught. Hopefully its investigated in relation to Daniel but if there's nothing to tie the defendants to Daniel then that's where the problem arises unfortunately. I can't get over the fact that Daniel knew the area and went into the vegetation instead of staying on the path he was on not far from his worksite. That doesn't sit right with me.

 

[JJ Ray]

I heard about this, yes its disturbing. I also am concerned about this and Daniel. The man was left to die and those who did it thought they wouldn't get caught. Hopefully its investigated in relation to Daniel but if there's nothing to tie the defendants to Daniel then that's where the problem arises unfortunately. I can't get over the fact that Daniel knew the area and went into the vegetation instead of staying on the path he was on not far from his worksite. That doesn't sit right with me.

Just to clarify, he drove across raw desert...there is no "path" he was on once in the ravine. He was 2 miles to the work site as the crow flies (up Wagner wash essentially) but about 3.25 miles following his tracks back to the detention basin and on to APS transformer substation and road back to work/well site.
But I am with you, he would have had to be confused or really upset and despondent to walk due west or northwest. Unless of course he initially went that way and as the tiredness and thirst set in, he back tracked then lost his way. If he was out till night fall, the nearest lights would most likely come from Tarteso development to the Southwest. There was almost a full (98%) Moon that night so walking would only be moderately difficult. That then pulls in all the raw desert from the wreck site to the southwest (but large parts of that have been searched and traversed. In the river bottom and large washes there are many burrows that one can step in or fall ankle deep into a collapsing chamber (FIO).

 

[5W's]

Just to clarify, he drove across raw desert...there is no "path" he was on once in the ravine. He was 2 miles to the work site as the crow flies (up Wagner wash essentially) but about 3.25 miles following his tracks back to the detention basin and on to APS transformer substation and road back to work/well site.
But I am with you, he would have had to be confused or really upset and despondent to walk due west or northwest. Unless of course he initially went that way and as the tiredness and thirst set in, he back tracked then lost his way. If he was out till night fall, the nearest lights would most likely come from Tarteso development to the Southwest. There was almost a full (98%) Moon that night so walking would only be moderately difficult. That then pulls in all the raw desert from the wreck site to the southwest (but large parts of that have been searched and traversed. In the river bottom and large washes there are many burrows that one can step in or fall ankle deep into a collapsing chamber (FIO).

Yes, that's right. But I was thinking before the ravine. By path I meant out of vegetation because there are as in the video you kindly made for us to see tracks I guess would be the best way to describe them. Why he didn't stay there or on them instead of going into mesquites (excuse the spelling if its incorrect) and other flora.

 

[JJ Ray]

Yes, that's right. But I was thinking before the ravine. By path I meant out of vegetation because there are as in the video you kindly made for us to see tracks I guess would be the best way to describe them. Why he didn't stay there or on them instead of going into mesquites (excuse the spelling if its incorrect) and other flora.

It is shadier down under them. If hurt or banged up a little he may have headed down there to "rest" (like he had been wanting to do. Also, If Bill Hayes is to be believed the place he encountered Daniel mid-late morning was in that same general area for whatever that is worth. For those who keep saying he had to be "chased", I did not see a second set of tracks nor does Buckeye PD or Jeff McGrath ever specify or document any.

 

[5W's]

It is shadier down under them. If hurt or banged up a little he may have headed down there to "rest" (like he had been wanting to do. Also, If Bill Hayes is to be believed the place he encountered Daniel mid-late morning was in that same general area for whatever that is worth. For those who keep saying he had to be "chased", I did not see a second set of tracks nor does Buckeye PD or Jeff McGrath ever specify or document any.

Let me ask since it was raining that day if there were tracks from a light vehicle could they have been messed up by the rain? Some have said that it rained heavily a couple of times after that day.

 

[dmac55]

Daniel Robinson’s family to hold vigil Saturday at the Arizona State Capitol
Daniel Robinson’s family to hold vigil Saturday at the Arizona State Capitol

 

[mlhenn]

Daniel Robinson’s family to hold vigil Saturday at the Arizona State Capitol

March 12, 2022

On Saturday, his family and a group of volunteers went out for their 27th search.

His family is holding a vigil at the steps of the Arizona State Capitol Saturday night. They’re going to honor Daniel with a candlelight ceremony.



Buckeye police say they continue to follow every lead and communicate with the FBI.

But the family is also taking matters into their own hands, hiring private investigators. They’re asking the community to help fund the forensic work needed to finally find Daniel.

In December, the family expanded the search to Phoenix and Goodyear.