AZ AZ - Daniel Robinson, 24, remote job site, Buckeye, 23 Jun 2021 #2

[mlhenn]

Daniel Robinson’s family to hold vigil Saturday at the Arizona State Capitol

To Note:
David says Daniel’s disappearance is particularly suspicious because Daniel’s cellphone was wiped clean, and it was missing a memory card when police recovered it.

Did I miss this somewhere?
Or is this new info?

 

[TammyinVA]

Daniel Robinson’s family to hold vigil Saturday at the Arizona State Capitol

In this article it states "David says his disappearance is particularly suspicious because Daniel’s cellphone was wiped clean, and it was missing a memory card when police recovered it."

That is simply not true. The police report states that the police found the the text message exchange with K on his phone in his trash folder. There may just not have been a memory card in the phone. I never bought one for mine, b/c I have a lot of internal storage.

Edit: Deleting text messages does not equate to "wiping a phone clean." It is in line with deleting your photos off Instagram. I can think of reasons for both that Daniel would have done so himself that are in line with his behaviour in the days before his disappearance.

 

[Eyerish Eyes]

Daniel Robinson’s family to hold vigil Saturday at the Arizona State Capitol
Daniel Robinson’s family to hold vigil Saturday at the Arizona State Capitol

KPHO reporting that “David says his disappearance is particularly suspicious because Daniel’s cellphone was wiped clean, and it was missing a memory card when police recovered it.”

 

[Eyerish Eyes]

Wiped clean as in no latent prints or DNA? Phone missing from the evidence tech list could be because it was not part of the vehicle. IMO “wiped clean” and “deleted” are not synonymous.
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[JJ Ray]

Let me ask since it was raining that day if there were tracks from a light vehicle could they have been messed up by the rain? Some have said that it rained heavily a couple of times after that day.

Daniel's vehicles tracks would have been messed up in the rain also, yet they were distinguishable in many spots after 3 weeks and even more (I was out there roughly 6-7 weeks after). "reports of heavy rain" by the detectives is not an all encompassing across many miles types of storm. They are VERY localized. A detective may be ten miles away in Buckeye proper and there'll be a downpour but bone dry 5 miles away. There is some evidence that a) there was rain in the immediate area that morning and b) that other small monsoon storms (that are heavy for 15 minutes or so) might have popped up in the immediate area (rain caught in his hard hat that was in the car, for example)

 

[JayLee#99]

I assumed the SIM card was still there due to the detective seeing the messages from Katelyn. I guess they could have been on the phone still…? Anyone know?

I would hope the detective would check for a SIM card or at least someone in the department that is gong to be analyzing the phone should.

 

[Valiant]

I'm not saying this happened but say Daniel took photos of something that he shouldn't have that morning and its possible evidence so those things were wiped off his phone for example? One thing I would like to know is if his vehicle's dashcam observed anything. I believe newer model vehicles have them built in (both front and back.) I could be wrong though. If he did have such a system that came with the vehicle then what happened to it? Did it stop working because it lost power, or it was tampered with? I don't say these things happened but technology has advanced to such a degree so possibly his Jeep had this system? I've often wondered about this with his Jeep.

There is no dash cam standard on any Jeep, in fact I'm not aware of any vehicles old in the US with dash cams. There is a reverse camera and vehicles some may have an optional front camera but these cameras don't record.
Dash cams are an aftermarket addition.

 

[Eyerish Eyes]

The Renegade owner manual says to remove a sun roof that both panels have to be closed, and the My Sky Key in a bag in the cargo storage area is needed to unlock the handle (Allen wrench like tool). While one hand is twisting the My Sky Key to the open position, simultaneously use the other hand to open the latch. The sun roof is then removed from an outside of the vehicle position.
The point is I think there is an assumption that the sun roof just pops out. It apparently does not. I wonder if this changes the premise that he exited by removing the sun roof.

 

[JJ Ray]

The Renegade owner manual says to remove a sun roof that both panels have to be closed, and the My Sky Key in a bag in the cargo storage area is needed to unlock the handle (Allen wrench like tool). While one hand is twisting the My Sky Key to the open position, simultaneously use the other hand to open the latch. The sun roof is then removed from an outside of the vehicle position.
The point is I think there is an assumption that the sun roof just pops out. It apparently does not. I wonder if this changes the premise that he exited by removing the sun roof.

It could have popped off when it rolled...the flexing of the roof or car frame. In one photo it actually looks to be fairly near and under the car which matches a rolling scenario and it sliding down to bottom of ravine. the other thought earlier in thread was kicking it out.
(I had a lift out sunroof years ago, Mazda RX-7. You are correct, you had to undo the latch from inside-or reaching to the center inside, pop it, then lift from outside the car to then store in rear. BUT after unlatching you could easily just push it out from inside and let it slide over to the ground...and possibly break!)

 

[5W's]

There is no dash cam standard on any Jeep, in fact I'm not aware of any vehicles old in the US with dash cams. There is a reverse camera and vehicles some may have an optional front camera but these cameras don't record.
Dash cams are an aftermarket addition.

Its just a thought systems like Onstar are a great feature these days. I realize there was a discussion about the system used in the Jeep. How efficient is the one in his Jeep? By this I mean did it poweroff because the power cut off to it? So then what happened there? Didn't the system notify that a possible accident happened and try to contact Daniel? Is a subscription needed? Or doesn't it come with the purchase of the vehicle?

 

[5W's]

Daniel's vehicles tracks would have been messed up in the rain also, yet they were distinguishable in many spots after 3 weeks and even more (I was out there roughly 6-7 weeks after). "reports of heavy rain" by the detectives is not an all encompassing across many miles types of storm. They are VERY localized. A detective may be ten miles away in Buckeye proper and there'll be a downpour but bone dry 5 miles away. There is some evidence that a) there was rain in the immediate area that morning and b) that other small monsoon storms (that are heavy for 15 minutes or so) might have popped up in the immediate area (rain caught in his hard hat that was in the car, for example)

In my comment or question I did account for the localized rains. IMO Daniel's Jeep is heavier than say a light vehicle so that would make a difference in depth of the tracks so the heavier the rain the less likely a light vehicle's tracks would remain.

 

[5W's]

I assumed the SIM card was still there due to the detective seeing the messages from Katelyn. I guess they could have been on the phone still…? Anyone know?

I would hope the detective would check for a SIM card or at least someone in the department that is gong to be analyzing the phone should.

Could it be the automatic memory storage of the phone that Katelyn's and other's messages were found instead of the SIM card? Maybe the SIM card itself was wiped clean for anything tying someone to Daniel?

 

[Valiant]

Its just a thought systems like Onstar are a great feature these days. I realize there was a discussion about the system used in the Jeep. How efficient is the one in his Jeep? By this I mean did it poweroff because the power cut off to it? So then what happened there? Didn't the system notify that a possible accident happened and try to contact Daniel? Is a subscription needed? Or doesn't it come with the purchase of the vehicle?

I believe the equivalent to OnStar's automated crash detection and notification in a Jeep is Sirius XM Guardian.
I don't know if it is available on the Jeep he had (not sure of the year his is and when it was first offered) plus it is a subscription service so it might not have been used even if it were available on his Jeep.

 

[TammyinVA]

Could it be the automatic memory storage of the phone that Katelyn's and other's messages were found instead of the SIM card? Maybe the SIM card itself was wiped clean for anything tying someone to Daniel?

David's comment was that there was no memory card in it. Not a SIM. The phone may not have had a memory card if it had a lot of internal storage.

IMHO if someone, other than Daniel, wanted to remove what was on the phone then all that was needed would have been to remove the SIM and take the phone to leave no evidence of what was on it versus supposedly wiping it clean.

 

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[5W's]

David's comment was that there was no memory card in it. Not a SIM. The phone may not have had a memory card if it had a lot of internal storage.

IMHO if someone, other than Daniel, wanted to remove what was on the phone then all that was needed would have been to remove the SIM and take the phone to leave no evidence of what was on it versus supposedly wiping it clean.

Yes I did think of that about the memory card/SIM card being thrown away as opposed to wiping it off. But then the same rationale can be put to why the owner would want to do such a thing. Another question that comes to me is that was there an indication that things had been wiped off? I'm not saying this is what happened in Daniel's case but sometimes when evidence appears sometimes its overlooked and not considered into further. One point I can make is LE in Daniel's case didn't spot his Jeep in the desert landscape. If perhaps a further look was taken then his crash sight may have been found earlier. And this in no way diminishes LE's efforts here. I'm just pointing out something that is obvious as even LE admitted they missed it.

 

[5W's]

Daniel's vehicles tracks would have been messed up in the rain also, yet they were distinguishable in many spots after 3 weeks and even more (I was out there roughly 6-7 weeks after). "reports of heavy rain" by the detectives is not an all encompassing across many miles types of storm. They are VERY localized. A detective may be ten miles away in Buckeye proper and there'll be a downpour but bone dry 5 miles away. There is some evidence that a) there was rain in the immediate area that morning and b) that other small monsoon storms (that are heavy for 15 minutes or so) might have popped up in the immediate area (rain caught in his hard hat that was in the car, for example)

Would this scenario for example the localized rain also apply to a light vehicle as opposed to a heavier vehicle such as the Jeep regarding the tracks?

 

[capitola51]

I heard about this, yes its disturbing. I also am concerned about this and Daniel. The man was left to die and those who did it thought they wouldn't get caught. Hopefully its investigated in relation to Daniel but if there's nothing to tie the defendants to Daniel then that's where the problem arises unfortunately. I can't get over the fact that Daniel knew the area and went into the vegetation instead of staying on the path he was on not far from his worksite. That doesn't sit right with me.

There is no evidence that DR knew the area.

 

[capitola51]

The Renegade owner manual says to remove a sun roof that both panels have to be closed, and the My Sky Key in a bag in the cargo storage area is needed to unlock the handle (Allen wrench like tool). While one hand is twisting the My Sky Key to the open position, simultaneously use the other hand to open the latch. The sun roof is then removed from an outside of the vehicle position.
The point is I think there is an assumption that the sun roof just pops out. It apparently does not. I wonder if this changes the premise that he exited by removing the sun roof.

The roof was covered in the police report, see AZ - AZ - Daniel Robinson, 24, remote job site, Buckeye, 23 Jun 2021

 

[5W's]

There is no evidence that DR knew the area.

I meant the general area where he worked. He would know not to go into the vegetation or flora mesquites, cactus, bushes but stay on the path. Something happened while he was driving that he diverged off the track or path and into the flora. How far away from his crash site we don't know unfortunately.