AZ AZ - Daniel Robinson, 24, remote job site, Buckeye, 23 Jun 2021 #2

  • #741
I don't believe they have. Lets go over just one detail in the police report and debunk it, easy to see data points. I could probably do 100 at this point but lets just start with this one.

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As you can see, the police say the 11 mile difference is a anomaly, noted by jeep dealership departments and they do not bear significance is this case.


This is not true. The 11 miles are on the odometer but not the crash data because it was driven after the crash and the 11 miles aren't on the infotainment because the Jeep was never started again after driving the 11 miles.

You know how Jeep dealerships says its normal? Because it is. Anytime anyone crashes their car, restarts it and drives, there will be miles on the odometer but not on the crash data, just like Daniel's Jeep had.

So yeah they say its normal, because cars drive all the time after a crash. This means the 11 miles do bear significance. Buckeye PD knows this, look at Police Chief Larry Hall try and explain it-

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In my opinion, they can't acknowledge the 11 miles were driven because those miles were driven after 12:54pm, after they say the Jeep was already in the ravine.

Again this is just one data point that shows movement after police say it was in one place and they are refusing to acknowledge this is how this data works and calling it an anomaly. If it was just a joyride it'd be easy for them to acknowledge and explain.

They also say they can't explain the 40+ ignitions but that's also easy to do because after an accident fuel shut off occurs. Again they can't acknowledge this because they'd be acknowledging it was started after a crash.

All of this stuff above is backed up by data, data the police refuse to acknowledge.

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When you say people are trying to fit a round peg into a square hole in regards to foul play, what in particular are you talking about? I know police are trying to do that with car data but I'm unsure of what you mean when it comes to this forum.
Is there actual location data showing where the vehicle was driven? I understand about the 11 miles and that it could be an anomaly but is there actual location data? There might be and I just missed it.
 
  • #742
Is there actual location data showing where the vehicle was driven? I understand about the 11 miles and that it could be an anomaly but is there actual location data? There might be and I just missed it.
Yes there is, 3 trips on Daniels MILE IQ app that day on page 71 of the police report-

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In August 2022, Detective Biffin ran another extraction on Daniel’s phone and discovered an app called MileIQ. This mileage tracking app records trips throughout the day based on GPS movement. You can find the relevant entries on page 71 of the police report.

That morning, MileIQ logged three trips. The third trip went from the second gas station on MC85 to the ravine in the desert. It shows a start time of 9:07 AM and an end time of 10:32 AM, covering 23.6 miles. This is the same mileage recorded on Daniel’s Jeep infotainment system between 9:06 AM (when the Jeep started) and 12:54 PM (when it started again). It also matches the crash data mileage.

This means the Jeep and Daniel’s phone left the second gas station at 9:07 AM, traveled to the second well site (necessary for the mileage to line up), and then arrived at the ravine at 10:32 AM. Since the mileage matches the crash data, we know the Jeep crashed there.

But the Jeep didn’t crash into the ravine itself, it crashed nearby. At 12:54 PM, it was restarted and driven 11 additional miles. Because there were no other tracks leading to the ravine, that must have been its final resting place. This indicates the Jeep crashed by the ravine at 10:32 AM, someone attempted to restart it over 40 times without success due to crash lockout, eventually got it running at 12:54 PM, and drove it 11 miles before returning it to the ravine, either later that same day or at another time, not under its own power.

Here’s the critical detail, MileIQ stopped recording movement at 10:32 AM, but Daniel’s phone still had service and was ringing for the rest of the day. This means that when the Jeep left the ravine at 12:54 PM and drove those 11 miles, it did so without Daniel’s phone, it had been left behind.

This is proof of staging in my opinion. Whoever brought the Jeep back to the ravine returned it to the site of the first crash so the story would align, and then placed Daniel’s phone back inside to make it appear it had been there all along.
 
  • #743
I want to get into the Verrado Well a little more, because it wasn't just about one development.

As we've talked about before, In Arizona, new housing or industrial projects can’t move forward unless the city can prove it has enough water for the next 100 years. That doesn’t just mean having water in the ground, it means showing enough on paper to cover every project already approved.

The Verrado well was approved for more than 2,000 acre-feet of water every year. That’s a huge amount, enough to cover several projects at the same time.


For example:
  • Garrett Development’s Westpark community (about 1,200 homes and 5.5 million square feet of industrial buildings) would need about 600–1000 acre-feet a year.(Best guess)
  • The I-10 Logistics Center, built by Layton Construction just north of the well, would only need around 100–400 acre feet a year.(Best guess)
  • Plus you’ve got smaller neighborhoods, schools, and stores in the same area.

All of that together still fits under what the Verrado well can producee.

That’s why the timing is so important. Without this well, Buckeye might have had to slow down or stop approvals because of Arizona’s water restrictions. But with it, they suddenly had enough water on the books to keep everything moving.

Layton built the logistics park, and Cushman & Wakefield handled the leasing, bringing in tenants. Garrett pushed forward with Westpark. And the city had a stronger water portfolio to back it all up.

The Verrado well was approved and producing by 2022. But in 2023, the state released an updated groundwater model for the Phoenix Active Management Area. That new model showed Buckeye and other cities were already over committed on groundwater. Because of that, the Arizona Department of Water Resources (ADWR) stopped issuing new groundwater certificates for subdivisions in Buckeye.

In plain terms, if someone tried to get the Verrado well approved today, it probably wouldn’t pass. The new model shows the area doesn’t have enough groundwater to promise a 100 year supply.

That’s why the well’s early approval was so valuable. It got in before the moratorium, giving Buckeye a big boost to its official water portfolio at exactly the right time. That single approval gave the city room on paper to keep certifying new projects like Westpark and the I-10 Logistics Center, while other developers without that kind of supply have been stuck waiting.

So the well wasn’t just productive. Its timing let it bypass restrictions that would have blocked it only a year or two later.
 
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  • #744
That’s a helpful overview of the timing and why the Verrado well mattered. But it doesn’t really connect to Daniel’s disappearance in a logical way. Daniel was an entry-level hydrologist/geologist, he wasn’t an executive making water allocation decisions, and he didn’t have the authority to approve or block development. The ADWR and city officials are the ones who certify water supplies, not a junior employee running field work.

If a company or city really wanted to protect a multi-million dollar project, targeting a low-level worker wouldn’t make any sense. The actual leverage point is in state regulators and elected officials, not someone doing routine surveys in the field.

So while the timing of the well’s approval is interesting, tying it to Daniel’s disappearance doesn’t add up and the scale of what’s at stake and the level of his role just don’t match.
 
  • #745
That’s a helpful overview of the timing and why the Verrado well mattered. But it doesn’t really connect to Daniel’s disappearance in a logical way. Daniel was an entry-level hydrologist/geologist, he wasn’t an executive making water allocation decisions, and he didn’t have the authority to approve or block development. The ADWR and city officials are the ones who certify water supplies, not a junior employee running field work.

If a company or city really wanted to protect a multi-million dollar project, targeting a low-level worker wouldn’t make any sense. The actual leverage point is in state regulators and elected officials, not someone doing routine surveys in the field.

So while the timing of the well’s approval is interesting, tying it to Daniel’s disappearance doesn’t add up and the scale of what’s at stake and the level of his role just don’t match.

Sort of, Daniel wasn’t a regulator or a city official, you can call him entry level but that doesn't change the fact that he worked alone on most of these sites as the hydro geologist of record. He didn’t personally sign off on water allocations. But that doesn’t mean his role was irrelevant. The data he collected is the first part of deciding whether or not a well is viable, the lithology logs.

As a field geologist, Daniel was the one collecting and logging the raw data, lithology logs, pumping tests, yield observations. That’s the foundation every permit and water model ultimately rests on. The state and city can only make their approvals if the underlying reports show the well is sound and producing as claimed.

If there were irregularities in how the well was logged, if yields were overstated, or if there was a gap between what the data actually showed and what was filed, Daniel would have been in a position to know.

the Verrado well turned out to be a major supply point. With over 2,000 acre-feet per year, it gave Buckeye the paper water they needed to keep Westpark, the I-10 Logistics Center, and other projects alive. A year later, the updated water model shut the door on new groundwater approvals. If this well had been delayed or rejected, a lot of money is at stake. Lithology logs, like the ones Daniel was completing, would play a huge role in that.

So while Daniel wasn’t an executive, his fieldwork intersected with a project that had huge implications. If he saw something he wasn’t supposed to, or if his data didn’t match, that could cost a lot of money, even at the entry level. If Daniel’s lithology logs didn’t match, say the well wasn’t producing as much as expected, or the formations weren’t as claimed, then his data could be a problem and could cost millions extra in remediation.
 
  • #746
A year later, the updated water model shut the door on new groundwater approvals.

I understand what you’re saying (and its very interesting/educational on its own merits), but struggling to connect the dots to Daniel.

The updated water model was implemented in 2023, 2 years after he went missing. Even if it could be proven that either Daniel or his employer (who I assume did keep track of new/upcoming legislation that might affect their operations) knew about it, how does it lead to his murder for “seeing something he shouldn’t have”?

There’s surely much easier ways to modify/vanish inconvenient paperwork than murder and staging an elaborately strange disappearance.
 
  • #747
I understand what you’re saying (and its very interesting/educational on its own merits), but struggling to connect the dots to Daniel.

The updated water model was implemented in 2023, 2 years after he went missing. Even if it could be proven that either Daniel or his employer (who I assume did keep track of new/upcoming legislation that might affect their operations) knew about it, how does it lead to his murder for “seeing something he shouldn’t have”?

There’s surely much easier ways to modify/vanish inconvenient paperwork than murder and staging an elaborately strange disappearance.

Let's lay out a logical scenario where Daniel finds problems they can't just modify or make vanish without Daniel still being a problem then and also when moving forward on future projects. Im not saying this happened, just that it could have, logically. We will use facts to create this possible scenario.

Daniel had been working at the Verrado well for the past week. Drilling started on June 9th and records show he had already been on site at least three times since then. On the morning of June 23rd he arrived at the well site around 7:10 a.m. and immediately noticed something was off. The lithology logs he had been working on had been altered.

Daniel took a photo of the logs as proof and then called his supervisor, the head of the entire Arizona branch, not just his immediate supervisor. The two of them spoke for eight minutes. In that call, Daniel would have been saying that someone had changed the logs to make the well appear more productive than it really was, and in response he was told not to worry, that this is how things are done.

If the logs were altered in any way, that would be fraud. Daniel would now have direct evidence of that on his phone, and suddenly he would be a problem.

The question then becomes, why not just fire him? He was only an entry level hydrogeologist, someone people might assume would not be listened to. But it was not that simple with Daniel.

Daniel was hired through a connection with the owners of Matrix. On paper he worked under Matrix, but in practice he was under the merged Matrix and Southwest Groundwater operation. Matrix acquired Southwest Groundwater in 2015 but left the original owner in charge of the Arizona branch.

That created a complication. If Daniel was fired for refusing to go along with altered logs, he could bypass the Arizona branch and take his findings directly to the actual Matrix owners.

When you consider that the lithology logs were completed the day after Daniel went missing, the Verrado well ended up testing low, that Buckeye’s own water model later confirmed problems, the car data that points to foul play, the possible motives and the police response that left major gaps, the pieces fit together logically.
 
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  • #748
Lot to chew on there, @Bluedreamer . You make a cogent argument.

That said, I was just reading this (don’t think it’s been posted):


It goes into more detail about the weeks prior to his disappearance and apparent mental health issues. On the one hand, this is the simplest explanation.

On another hand, there are the strange anomalies, the Jeep and the infamous restarts, the rancher who claims it wasn’t in that ravine a few days prior to discovery, the phone calls that morning (which could’ve been something like “I’m quitting”/cries for help/etc; I don’t think we know the contents, do we?)

On the third hand, the kind of corporate conspiracy you’re suggesting as an alternative hypothesis, while possible, also opens up more questions than we can answer or reasonably speculate upon. He calls his supervisor’s supervisor, who happens to know a “fixer”, available on short notice. This fixer is somehow able to get to Buckeye and find Daniel after he leaves the well site at 9am and then <something occurs>. But they leave his phone with the Jeep (why not take it? Easy enough to assume the missing Daniel took it with him, or maybe it got thrown out during the collision and lost in the sands.). Why go rifle through his home computer after he was reported missing (and not just go grab it same day?) Etc.

So while I do think you make a logical argument based on reasonable speculation, I just don’t see how the actual mechanics of such a scheme would work.
 
  • #749
Lot to chew on there, @Bluedreamer . You make a cogent argument.

That said, I was just reading this (don’t think it’s been posted):


It goes into more detail about the weeks prior to his disappearance and apparent mental health issues. On the one hand, this is the simplest explanation.

On another hand, there are the strange anomalies, the Jeep and the infamous restarts, the rancher who claims it wasn’t in that ravine a few days prior to discovery, the phone calls that morning (which could’ve been something like “I’m quitting”/cries for help/etc; I don’t think we know the contents, do we?)

On the third hand, the kind of corporate conspiracy you’re suggesting as an alternative hypothesis, while possible, also opens up more questions than we can answer or reasonably speculate upon. He calls his supervisor’s supervisor, who happens to know a “fixer”, available on short notice. This fixer is somehow able to get to Buckeye and find Daniel after he leaves the well site at 9am and then <something occurs>. But they leave his phone with the Jeep (why not take it? Easy enough to assume the missing Daniel took it with him, or maybe it got thrown out during the collision and lost in the sands.). Why go rifle through his home computer after he was reported missing (and not just go grab it same day?) Etc.

So while I do think you make a logical argument based on reasonable speculation, I just don’t see how the actual mechanics of such a scheme would work.
I get what you mean about mental health being the simplest explanation on the surface. Every podcast brings it up and the police report leans in that direction. If all we had were some well data and Daniel’s disappearance, I might agree it was just a strange coincidence, a really strange and connected coincidence.

But that’s not all we have. We also have the vehicle data, which in my opinion points directly to foul play and a police department that refuses to acknowledge how that data is supposed to be read because they know what it actually proves.

My last post was a lot to chew on, so I apologize in advance for this one.

People often talk about “anomalies” in Daniel’s Jeep data, things like the extra miles, the ignition cycles, inconsistent crash data, and so on. But they’re not anomalies at all once you understand how the systems actually work. When read correctly, the data tells a straightforward story and every data point is accounted for.

My opinion is that before we ever get into motive, the car data and surrounding facts prove foul play and staging beyond a reasonable doubt. Regardless of whatever mental problems Daniel may or may not have had, someone staged the Jeep into the ravine and it wasn’t Daniel.

Let’s go through some of the pieces of evidence in Daniel’s case and give the simplest explanations for each, based on how the data actually works, not the way the private investigator misread it or the way Buckeye PD tried to explain it away.

Search efforts should have found the Jeep- Major Lane of the Civil Air Patrol said there was a very good chance Daniel would be located because he had both a vehicle and a last known location. The Jeep was later found only two miles away, in clear view from the search area, with a BRIGHT ORANGE REFLECTIVE VEST on the ground next to it. The fact it wasn’t spotted during initial searches strongly suggests it wasn’t there yet.
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The rancher supports this- The rancher who ultimately found the Jeep said he had been through that area multiple times in the days before and never saw it. Given how visible it was when he finally did, the most logical conclusion is that the Jeep was moved there later.

40 plus ignition cycles after the crash (NOT RESTARTS) - The Jeep logged over forty ignition attempts after the airbags deployed. Crash lockout kept it from restarting, so every press of the button recorded a failed ignition. And if the Jeep was on its side in the ravine, it would have been nearly impossible for Daniel himself to be the one pressing that button. Someone else was trying to get it running later, when it wasn’t crashed on its side in the ravine, after the first crash. Again, the simplest explanation for why they are there.

The 12:54 p.m. infotainment log- Private investigator Jeff McGrath misread this as the crash time, but the infotainment in the 2017 uconnect system only records start times. That means 12:54pm was when the Jeep was turned back on, hours after Daniel’s phone stopped moving in the ravine. The mileage on that log matched the crash data because the Jeep had already wrecked, and this was it being restarted after the crash. Whoever did it likely used the manual to override crash lock.

12:54 p.m. log and 11 miles ignored- Buckeye PD PI ignored and tried to explain away what this data actually shows. The simplest explanation is that they knew it proved the Jeep was restarted and moved after a crash by the ravine, something that doesn’t fit an accident narrative.

11 extra miles- The odometer shows 11 miles driven after the crash, which don’t appear in the crash data because they happened afterward. Jeep experts say this is normal because crashed vehicles often restart and move after airbags deploy. Daniel’s Jeep did the same.

Phone and Jeep separated- Daniel’s phone stopped moving in the ravine around 10:32 a.m., yet the Jeep was restarted at 12:54 p.m. and driven 11 miles. The data proves the phone and Jeep were not together, one stayed in the ravine, the other was moved. Daniel’s phone had service and power the entire day.

The Jeep was staged back in the ravine- If the Jeep left without the phone, and the phone was later found inside when police recovered it, someone had to move the phone back into the vehicle and stage the scene.

The Jeep’s location doesn’t match the first crash data- Accident reconstruction experts said the speed required to hit the ravine at 30 mph was unattainable given the terrain. The Jeep’s final resting place and its damage don’t line up, which makes sense if it wasn’t actually wrecked into the ravine originally, which is what the data shows.

Police tried to offload the Jeep immediately- The day after it was found, Buckeye PD encouraged David Robinson to look inside and then told him he needed to tow it out of impound right away or start paying storage fees. The simplest explanation is that if David took it that quickly, police were off the hook for collecting evidence, which is exactly what happened.

Buckeye PD freaked out over infotainment- When they learned Jeff McGrath planned to pull the Jeep’s infotainment data, they knew it would eventually prove the vehicle had been restarted and moved after a crash by the ravine, something they couldn’t explain away as a one-time accident.

Matching socks at two locations- Another sock was found back by the second well site, and another matching sock was recovered in the ravine near the Jeep. That suggests something happened by the second well site and points to staging, since it makes little sense for Daniel’s clothing to be split across miles of desert unless items were being moved.

Police theories avoided water entirely- In the report and in media coverage, every possible motive was floated except the one tied to Daniel’s actual job site: cartel activity, mental health struggles, injury after the crash, a random stranger encounter, Billy, or even a friend of Katelyn. The simplest explanation is they didn’t want attention on water at all.


These are just some of the pieces of evidence which, when explained simply and put in context with the correct way to read the car data and Daniel’s job, point to foul play and staging. At the end of the day, Occam’s razor applies. The simplest explanation is also the most likely one. Someone staged the Jeep in that ravine, and it was not Daniel.


Now let’s get into the mental health aspect. But before we do, let’s talk about some of the claims about Daniel’s mental state that have been going around and look at why those claims exist in the first place.

Wellness Calls

One of the biggest examples is the idea that there were prior wellness calls on Daniel before he went missing. This narrative started showing up online from two different places at the same time, Stephen Fischer on Twitter and a Websleuths user known as JJRAY. One stated it as fact, the other opinion, that Daniel’s family or others had already had wellness checks done before he disappeared. (check post history for sources)

When David Robinson has been asked directly, he denies these calls ever happened, and he has done so multiple times on video including in his latest live on YouTube. Wellness calls are not protected under HIPAA. If they had really taken place, Buckeye PD would have had no reason to leave them out. In fact, they likely would have included them in the report to support their own mental health theory, especially with the negative feedback they have received.

Both Fischer and JJRAY were in contact with Detective Biffin during the same period. Fischer posted that he was speaking with the lead detective, and JJRAY’s posts made it clear he was also talking to the department. The fact that Fischer was repeating the same thing is significant because Stephen is considered a credible person. He has a reputation for saving lives and would not have repeated the claim unless the source seemed credible to him.

So the identical posts about wellness calls didn’t appear out of thin air. It looks like the story originated with law enforcement, then came out through people they were in contact with, and in the process it shifted the focus away from the Jeep, the phone, and everything else. You have to ask yourself, why?

Katelyn

In regards to Katelyn, there is little doubt that Daniel liked her and may have acted in ways that came across as inappropriate. That much is fair. But the way this story has been repeated in the media and online often makes it sound like the main explanation for his disappearance, and that doesn't really fit when you get into the story.

According to the police report, Daniel showed up at Katelyn’s house twice unannounced. The first time, she had told him to come by anytime, and Daniel seems to have taken that literally. I can understand why she would have felt uncomfortable, but I can also see how Daniel interpreted it. Add in the fact that he needed his canopy for work, and it doesn’t look as bad as it’s often been presented. He even left it in a place where he could pick it up without her being home, which he did.

The second incident is where the story gets interesting. On Monday, June 21 at 3:46 p.m., Daniel texted Katelyn saying he was outside her home. But his MileIQ app, which the police report itself accepts as extremely accurate, shows that from 12:59 p.m. until 3:51 p.m. he was at the Verrado well site, miles away from her house. David Robinson has also said the timestamps and those texts don’t match what he recovered directly from Daniel’s phone.

So while the first visit likely did happen, the second one is contradicted by Daniel’s own phone data. That leaves us questioning the way this interaction has been reported, especially since the only version of it we have comes from the police themselves.

Then there is the text Daniel sent on June 22, the “see you again” message. It reads as emotional and cryptic, but it can also be seen another way, as Daniel hinting that he was about to do something that could get him into trouble, something that might explain why he felt he either would or would not see her again. What makes it even more interesting is what happened next. A short time later, Daniel messaged his sister saying it was an emergency, and not long after that he was seen at a Waffle House without his Jeep, sweating heavily and looking paranoid. I will talk about the Waffle House later, but it adds credibility to the idea that something bigger was going on than just Daniel having personal problems regarding Katelyn.

Roger

Roger’s account offers a couple of important details. On June 21, two days before Daniel went missing, Roger said he saw Daniel at the office, which was unusual since Daniel almost always went straight to work and rarely stopped in. That day stood out to him because Daniel appeared to be in a bad mood and gave very short, dry answers when asked if he was okay. Roger also recalled him leaving the office carrying a box and not saying goodbye, which he thought was odd. The report does not specify what was inside the box, but given that a box of soil and rock samples was later found in Daniel’s Jeep, it is possible Daniel was moving or handling work materials.

After Daniel disappeared, Roger joined in a search. During that search, Jeff McGrath described him as looking distraught, almost as if he wanted to say something. But when Jeff tried to engage him, Roger got what Jeff described as an “oh 🤬🤬🤬🤬” look, turned pale, and avoided him for the rest of the day.

These two interactions raise the question of whether what Roger was noticing in Daniel’s behavior was really mental health in the way it has often been framed, or whether Daniel’s stress and agitation tied back to what he was seeing at the well. If Daniel had discovered something troubling about the logs or the data at Verrado, it could explain why he seemed off in the days before his disappearance and why Roger thought that something wasn’t right, because it wasn’t.

Waffle House Visit

On the afternoon of June 22, Daniel texted Katelyn “The world can get better, but I’ll have to take all the time I can or we can, whatever to name it. I’ll either see you again or never see you again.” Not long after, around 4:21 p.m., he texted his sister Davisha saying, “It’s an emergency.”

Later that evening, Daniel was seen at a Waffle House without his Jeep. Witnesses described him as sweating, acting paranoid, and clearly not himself. Instead of driving away, he called an Uber and went home. When he got there, his sister asked about the emergency, and Daniel told her it was a false alarm.

Mile IQ suggests Daniel’s Jeep did not leave from his home the next morning, and David Robinson has said Daniel was out very late on the 22nd, which could mean he didn’t even feel comfortable staying home that night. But the infotainment system logs also line up with the Jeep not leaving from his residence, meaning Daniel's jeep didn't leave from his house on the morning of June 23rd.

So why did he still go to work the next morning? Two explanations fit. One is that Daniel felt obligated, either pressured directly by his supervisor or simply bound by his responsibilities. The other is that he thought showing up as normal might protect him, as if going through the motions would calm things down.

This story, the cryptic text, the emergency message, the paranoid Waffle House sighting, leaving his Jeep somewhere else, brushing it off as a false alarm, and still reporting to work,doesn’t read like random mental health struggles. It looks more like someone who knew he was in trouble, didn’t feel safe, but kept going anyway.

June 23rd, 2021

On the morning of June 23, the day he went missing, everything in Daniel’s behavior looked relatively normal. His phone records and conversations with coworkers all point to him going about his usual routine until something or someone interjected.

He left home early and stopped for gas, something confirmed by his bank records. By 7:10 a.m. he was at the Verrado Way well site, where he took a timestamped photo of the lithology logs and then called his supervisor, Stephen Noel. They spoke for eight minutes, exactly the kind of call you would expect if something might be wrong.

From there, his digital footprint shows a clear and consistent workday pattern. His Jeep logs continued to track mileage, his Mile IQ app recorded three trips that matched his movements between gas stations, the well sites, and the desert, and his phone calls show he was communicating throughout the morning. Even at 8:35 a.m., Daniel was returning a call to Noel, still engaged and responsive.

Ken Elliott, the pump technician scheduled to meet him at the second well site, later told police that Daniel arrived, spoke with him briefly, and then drove off without explanation. Ken said Daniel seemed quiet but not impaired, and nothing about the interaction suggested a breakdown or crisis.

In regards to your "fixer" comment. the only people who knew where Daniel was that day is his job, so that fits my original theory quite nicely.

Up until 10:32 a.m., when his phone stopped moving in the ravine, there is nothing in the record to suggest he was in crisis, disoriented, or walking away from life. On the contrary, the data shows Daniel following through on a normal morning of field work.

That is what makes what happened all the more interesting. The break doesn’t come in Daniel’s behavior, it comes in the data after 10:32 a.m., when the Jeep was restarted, driven, and in my opinion staged. The picture we get is not of someone experiencing a mental health episode, but of someone working normally until something else happened to him.

I’m not convinced the day Daniel went missing actually went down the way the official story says it did or the way I've laid it out above. It’s possible he never made it to or past the first well site, or that something happened to him at the second, and that he was already gone before his Jeep ever ended up in the ravine. The way the timeline has been presented is incorrect, and I don’t necessarily believe all of those interactions took place as described.

Even if we accept their version of events, even if Daniel did leave the well site and end up at the ravine, the record still shows him acting normal that entire day according to the data. He was making calls, making multiple stops, and carrying out the routine of his job. There is nothing in the data to suggest he was in the middle of a breakdown.

In my opinion, many of the things that have been used to push the mental health angle, the supposed wellness calls, his visits and texts to Katelyn, Roger’s observation of him being in a bad mood, look on the surface like signs of instability. But they can just as easily be understood as stress tied to the pressures of his job, and possibly what he was working on around the well. When you put it in that context, the mental health narrative looks less like the cause, and more like a convenient way to explain away behaviors that may have had a very different meaning.

Before I ever started digging into theories about motive, I believed the data proved the Jeep was staged and Daniel was not the one who put it there. The mileage, the ignition cycles, the infotainment logs, and the separation between his phone and the vehicle all point in the same direction. You don’t need to speculate about motive to see it. Once you start looking at water and how critical the Verrado well became to Buckeye’s growth, the narrative about Daniel being mentally ill starts to look less like an explanation and more like the most convenient excuse available. It was an easy way to deflect attention from what might have actually happened, especially since stress around the well could have explained Daniel’s state of mind.

A lot of this, aside from the hard data showing the Jeep restarting at 12:54 p.m. and driving 11 miles without Daniel’s phone, is theory and my opinion. But at this point I can’t see any other explanation for how the evidence fits together.

I know one thing people have a hard time believing is that Daniel, as an entry level geologist, could have had any real impact on something as big as a well’s viability. But he absolutely could. Field geologists like Daniel are the ones who log the soil, record the formations, and make the first assessment of whether the well is going to hit productive aquifers or not. Those lithology logs and field notes become the base for everything that comes after, the engineering reports, the pumping tests, and ultimately the city and state approvals. If those logs don’t show the kind of water-bearing zones expected, it can call the entire project into question. It can make it cost a lot more money, or it could shut it down entirely. So even though Daniel didn’t sign off on permits, his work directly shaped whether that well could be counted as viable.

We know well 55-233391 tested at 19 to 23 thousand, far below the 40 thousand average that was used to get it approved. We also know the lithology logs, the same logs Daniel photographed on the morning he went missing, were completed the very next day after he disappeared.

A lot of people dismiss Daniel as mentally ill and then try to explain away the data without actually explaining it at all. I look at it the other way around, the hard data clearly points to foul play, and from there I try to make sense of the mental health narrative in that context, i try to explain everything.

To me, none of this is coincidence. These facts, when lined up with the data, point to foul play.
 
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I know one thing people have a hard time believing is that Daniel, as an entry level geologist, could have had any real impact on something as big as a well’s viability. But he absolutely could. Field geologists like Daniel are the ones who log the soil, record the formations, and make the first assessment of whether the well is going to hit productive aquifers or not. Those lithology logs and field notes become the base for everything that comes after, the engineering reports, the pumping tests, and ultimately the city and state approvals. If those logs don’t show the kind of water-bearing zones expected, it can call the entire project into question. It can make it cost a lot more money, or it could shut it down entirely. So even though Daniel didn’t sign off on permits, his work directly shaped whether that well could be counted as viable.

Your entire post was interesting, but I’m especially curious about the part above.

I agree with you that Daniel, through his measurements, did indeed have influence on the decision making process regarding the well’s viability, but he wasn’t the one making the final decisions. Suppose you’re right and his disappearance was related to his work. How would Daniel’s murder lead to the desired outcome for his presumed killer(s)? Wouldn’t it simply mean that someone else would have to carry out the measurements in order to obtain a permit, and wouldn’t they have seen the same results?

I’m far from an expert in this field, but how often are these kinds of measurements conducted? I can’t imagine it being a single measurement, which would suggest that there were already earlier negative indications for the upcoming project. Wouldn’t Daniel’s colleagues have been aware of this? If that’s the case, then murdering Daniel doesn’t seem like a very solid solution.

Perhaps his disappearance, in a context of time pressure, conflicts of interest, or incomplete information, was still strategically motivated. If, for example, he was the first to discover negative results and hadn’t yet widely shared them.
 
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Your entire post was interesting, but I’m especially curious about the part above.

I agree with you that Daniel, through his measurements, did indeed have influence on the decision making process regarding the well’s viability, but he wasn’t the one making the final decisions. Suppose you’re right and his disappearance was related to his work. How would Daniel’s murder lead to the desired outcome for his presumed killer(s)? Wouldn’t it simply mean that someone else would have to carry out the measurements in order to obtain a permit, and wouldn’t they have seen the same results?

I’m far from an expert in this field, but how often are these kinds of measurements conducted? I can’t imagine it being a single measurement, which would suggest that there were already earlier negative indications for the upcoming project. Wouldn’t Daniel’s colleagues have been aware of this? If that’s the case, then murdering Daniel doesn’t seem like a very solid solution.

Perhaps his disappearance, in a context of time pressure, conflicts of interest, or incomplete information, was still strategically motivated. If, for example, he was the first to discover negative results and hadn’t yet widely shared them.

The lithology logs Daniel was working on were finalized the very next day after he disappeared. On the morning of June 23rd, he even took a photo of those logs and then immediately called his supervisor, speaking with him for eight minutes.

My working theory is that Daniel had been logging the well data daily, and on the 23rd he noticed that the logs had been altered to make the well look more viable. That discovery prompted his call to Stephen. At that stage, Daniel would have been the only person who knew firsthand whether something wasn’t right with the numbers.

After that point, nobody else needed to go back and retest, the logs were officially closed out the following day. Whatever numbers were written in at that stage were the ones ultimately used to secure permits.

For context, lithology measurements are taken daily at different depths as the well is drilled. Once drilling is finished, other types of tests are performed later, such as the transmissivity testing that was carried out in November.
 
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The lithology logs Daniel was working on were finalized the very next day after he disappeared. On the morning of June 23rd, he even took a photo of those logs and then immediately called his supervisor, speaking with him for eight minutes.

My working theory is that Daniel had been logging the well data daily, and on the 23rd he noticed that the logs had been altered to make the well look more viable. That discovery prompted his call to Stephen. At that stage, Daniel would have been the only person who knew firsthand whether something wasn’t right with the numbers.

After that point, nobody else needed to go back and retest, the logs were officially closed out the following day. Whatever numbers were written in at that stage were the ones ultimately used to secure permits.

For context, lithology measurements are taken daily at different depths as the well is drilled. Once drilling is finished, other types of tests are performed later, such as the transmissivity testing that was carried out in November.

Thanks for your quick response. I'm trying to imagine a scenario in which Daniel discovered crucial information that could have led to his death. I can follow the scenario you outlined to some extent, but I’m struggling with his colleague Stephen.

If we assume that Daniel uncovered important and possibly incriminating information about the project, we also have to seriously consider the possibility that his colleague Stephen was informed of this during their phone call. That complicates the story for me, since he would then become another loose end for those with a vested interest. It would also seem logical that, in this scenario, Stephen would have pointed fingers directly at the stakeholders involved with the well after Daniel’s disappearance. As far as we know, he has no personal stake in the well. Wouldn’t the police have then been more inclined to suspect foul play during the investigation? Or was it a regular conversation with Stephen and did something occur at the second site?

It’s striking that the well was approved the very next day. That certainly leaves room for speculation. I do wonder whether it makes sense to measure a certain set of values over a period of time, only to (significantly) alter those values right before approval. Wouldn’t that have raised eyebrows among Daniel’s higher ranking colleagues? I have no idea how this process works, but I would expect that multiple people would need to review the final data before anything gets approved. Though perhaps that’s wishful thinking.
 
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Thanks for your quick response. I'm trying to imagine a scenario in which Daniel discovered crucial information that could have led to his death. I can follow the scenario you outlined to some extent, but I’m struggling with his colleague Stephen.

If we assume that Daniel uncovered important and possibly incriminating information about the project, we also have to seriously consider the possibility that his colleague Stephen was informed of this during their phone call. That complicates the story for me, since he would then become another loose end for those with a vested interest. It would also seem logical that, in this scenario, Stephen would have pointed fingers directly at the stakeholders involved with the well after Daniel’s disappearance. As far as we know, he has no personal stake in the well. Wouldn’t the police have then been more inclined to suspect foul play during the investigation? Or was it a regular conversation with Stephen and did something occur at the second site?

It’s striking that the well was approved the very next day. That certainly leaves room for speculation. I do wonder whether it makes sense to measure a certain set of values over a period of time, only to (significantly) alter those values right before approval. Wouldn’t that have raised eyebrows among Daniel’s higher ranking colleagues? I have no idea how this process works, but I would expect that multiple people would need to review the final data before anything gets approved. Though perhaps that’s wishful thinking.
You make a good point about Stephen, but I think it’s important to note that he wasn’t just a midlevel manager. He was Daniel’s main boss and the head of Matrix’s Arizona field office and the former owner of Southwest Groundwater, which put him directly in control of how the data from these wells was handled. He’s been tied into the water situation around Buckeye for decades.

We also know, thanks to the Verrado well approval, that Stephen has no problem pushing through wells that test poorly. That track record makes it harder to believe Daniel’s concerns would have been welcomed if he raised them.

Another interesting connection is that his son Peter works/worked as a project manager for Weber Water Resources, which is Ken’s company (last person to see Daniel alive). That shows us how closely connected all of these companies really are.

On the morning Daniel disappeared, he photographed the lithology logs and then immediately called Stephen, speaking with him for eight minutes. If Daniel noticed something wrong, Stephen would have been the first person he told, even before that day (maybe on the 21st when he was seen at the office carrying a box, not in a good mood).

The logs were finalized the very next day, and once that happened, no one had to retest. Whatever numbers were written there became the official record that pushed the well forward. The timing is suspicious enough, but Stephen had a direct stake in keeping wells viable because it meant future contracts for Matrix, and he has a history of using old well data through his company SW Groundwater to get new wells approved. (They also have a small window before the new water model is released to get as many approved as possible)

When this particular well was tested, it came in far below the 40,000 average that was ultimately used for its approval. That means the numbers were already being fudged and multiple people signed off on it. That’s in the public record.

It’s possible Daniel had already been voicing concerns about what he was seeing, and this well data was the straw that broke the camel’s back. If he spoke up one time too many, that might explain why on June 23rd something had to be done. Daniel would have evidence on his phone at that point. It also might explain why they kept delaying Daniel that morning, because they weren't ready yet.

And there’s a bigger picture, any groundwater wells in that area approved between June 2021 (when the new water model was finalized) and January 2023 (when it was finally released) likely wouldn’t have been approved at all, because the model would have shown major supply problems. That context makes the rush to finalize logs and move projects forward in mid 2021 even more suspicious.

As for Buckeye PD, the police report shows they never questioned Stephen despite multiple calls and rerouting that day. I don’t know if Buckeye knew what happened to Daniel, but It's possible they were told to shut this down.

Police Chief Larry Hall became City Manager the very same month that well was transferred to the City of Buckeye. Six months later, he was replaced by someone with an extensive background in water management. That’s one hell of a coincidence given the stakes around that well, the timing of Daniel’s disappearance and Buckeye PD's mishandling of the case from the beginning.
 
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You make a good point about Stephen, but I think it’s important to note that he wasn’t just a midlevel manager. He was Daniel’s main boss and the head of Matrix’s Arizona field office and the former owner of Southwest Groundwater, which put him directly in control of how the data from these wells was handled. He’s been tied into the water situation around Buckeye for decades.

We also know, thanks to the Verrado well approval, that Stephen has no problem pushing through wells that test poorly. That track record makes it harder to believe Daniel’s concerns would have been welcomed if he raised them.

Another interesting connection is that his son Peter works/worked as a project manager for Weber Water Resources, which is Ken’s company (last person to see Daniel alive). That shows us how closely connected all of these companies really are.

On the morning Daniel disappeared, he photographed the lithology logs and then immediately called Stephen, speaking with him for eight minutes. If Daniel noticed something wrong, Stephen would have been the first person he told, even before that day (maybe on the 21st when he was seen at the office carrying a box, not in a good mood).

The logs were finalized the very next day, and once that happened, no one had to retest. Whatever numbers were written there became the official record that pushed the well forward. The timing is suspicious enough, but Stephen had a direct stake in keeping wells viable because it meant future contracts for Matrix, and he has a history of using old well data through his company SW Groundwater to get new wells approved. (They also have a small window before the new water model is released to get as many approved as possible)

When this particular well was tested, it came in far below the 40,000 average that was ultimately used for its approval. That means the numbers were already being fudged and multiple people signed off on it. That’s in the public record.

It’s possible Daniel had already been voicing concerns about what he was seeing, and this well data was the straw that broke the camel’s back. If he spoke up one time too many, that might explain why on June 23rd something had to be done. Daniel would have evidence on his phone at that point. It also might explain why they kept delaying Daniel that morning, because they weren't ready yet.

And there’s a bigger picture, any groundwater wells in that area approved between June 2021 (when the new water model was finalized) and January 2023 (when it was finally released) likely wouldn’t have been approved at all, because the model would have shown major supply problems. That context makes the rush to finalize logs and move projects forward in mid 2021 even more suspicious.

As for Buckeye PD, the police report shows they never questioned Stephen despite multiple calls and rerouting that day. I don’t know if Buckeye knew what happened to Daniel, but It's possible they were told to shut this down.

Police Chief Larry Hall became City
Manager the very same month that well was transferred to the City of Buckeye. Six months later, he was replaced by someone with an extensive background in water management. That’s one hell of a coincidence given the stakes around that well, the timing of Daniel’s disappearance and Buckeye PD's mishandling of the case from the beginning.

Thanks again for your quick and detailed response. After my last reply, I kept thinking about several possible and necessary connections that could give the theory more substance, but that would require multiple people to be involved. You’ve clearly looked deeper into this case, and the theory is becoming more plausible to me.

You mentioned Ken from Weber Water Resources. He was actually the reason I started digging deeper into the case. Without accusing him of a crime, I can safely say that I find his account of that morning at the very least remarkable. His story doesn’t sound logical at all, and what I find especially incomprehensible is that he took no action after Daniel supposedly drove off. Why didn’t he immediately go after him if he found it so strange? At the very least, he could have contacted his employer right away to report what had happened.

Now that I know Stephen’s son worked for Ken, I find Ken’s story even stranger. A colleague of the father of one of his employees, whose companies were working on the same project, apparently didn’t think it was important to follow the confused Daniel.

The ties between Stephen, his son, and Ken suggest a network that could have influenced decision making in questionable ways. That certainly leaves room for the theory that Daniel’s work was the trigger for his disappearance, especially considering the macro level factors you mentioned that may have influenced the approval process. I’m going to look a bit further into this.

By the way, how is it possible that Stephen wasn’t questioned by the police? That seems absurd given the events of that day. Are you sure about that?

You mentioned the photo(s) Daniel took of the lithology logs. That could have led to the photo being automatically synced to the cloud. That might also explain why someone was active on his laptop after the disappearance.
 
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Thanks again for your quick and detailed response. After my last reply, I kept thinking about several possible and necessary connections that could give the theory more substance, but that would require multiple people to be involved. You’ve clearly looked deeper into this case, and the theory is becoming more plausible to me.

You mentioned Ken from Weber Water Resources. He was actually the reason I started digging deeper into the case. Without accusing him of a crime, I can safely say that I find his account of that morning at the very least remarkable. His story doesn’t sound logical at all, and what I find especially incomprehensible is that he took no action after Daniel supposedly drove off. Why didn’t he immediately go after him if he found it so strange? At the very least, he could have contacted his employer right away to report what had happened.

Now that I know Stephen’s son worked for Ken, I find Ken’s story even stranger. A colleague of the father of one of his employees, whose companies were working on the same project, apparently didn’t think it was important to follow the confused Daniel.

The ties between Stephen, his son, and Ken suggest a network that could have influenced decision making in questionable ways. That certainly leaves room for the theory that Daniel’s work was the trigger for his disappearance, especially considering the macro level factors you mentioned that may have influenced the approval process. I’m going to look a bit further into this.

By the way, how is it possible that Stephen wasn’t questioned by the police? That seems absurd given the events of that day. Are you sure about that?

You mentioned the photo(s) Daniel took of the lithology logs. That could have led to the photo being automatically synced to the cloud. That might also explain why someone was active on his laptop after the disappearance.
Ken did call Daniel’s supervisor right after Daniel drove off. He said he then worked the rest of the day by himself until around 2:30–3:00 PM, when he finally went out looking for Daniel by following his tire tracks.

The lithology logs are really only incriminating if Daniel was still around to say they’d been altered. David has a photo of those logs himself, so the existence of the data isn’t in question, the issue would have been Daniel pointing out discrepancies. That also makes it a good theory for why someone might have been on Daniel’s laptop after he went missing.

Ken’s account is interesting because it essentially closes the possibilities. If he’s telling the truth, then Daniel simply drove off and only his tire tracks continued, meaning no one else physically followed him into the desert. If he’s not telling the truth, then that contradiction itself points to motive.

I’m not sure whether Stephen was ever actually questioned by police. What I do know is that it’s not in the police report, and David has even referred to people like Stephen as “ghosts” on his YouTube channel.

One detail left out of the police report is that Stephen called Daniel at 8:33 AM, and Daniel called him back at 8:35. That call happened after Daniel had already left the first well site and was headed toward the second one. The timing matters, because it was that call that caused Daniel to turn around earlier that morning.

This is one of the only parts of the police report timeline where they don't explain where Daniel was when it is easy to do so. Had they questioned Stephen, he would have told them.
 
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Search efforts should have found the Jeep- Major Lane of the Civil Air Patrol said there was a very good chance Daniel would be located because he had both a vehicle and a last known location. The Jeep was later found only two miles away, in clear view from the search area, with a BRIGHT ORANGE REFLECTIVE VEST on the ground next to it. The fact it wasn’t spotted during initial searches strongly suggests it wasn’t there yet.
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I need to clarify something I said earlier. I mentioned that Daniel’s Jeep was found about two miles from where it was last seen turning into the desert. That’s technically true, but it wasn’t the last point where Ken said he saw Daniel’s tracks.

According to David, Ken told him on June 26th or 27th that he had driven farther out searching for Daniel. He said he followed Daniel’s tire tracks through a gate, marked rocks with red paint to mark where he had already gone, then eventually got out of his vehicle after driving further, climbed a hill, and looked around. You can hear David talk about this at the 1:08:15 mark in this video-




That means Buckeye PD may not have documented this detail from Ken, but David himself was told directly that the last place Daniel’s tracks were seen was less than a mile from where his Jeep was ultimately found. Either Ken or David would have relayed this to Buckeye PD during those early days.

And that’s important because this is exactly the area the Phoenix Fire bird helicopter, Civil Air Patrol and ground teams would have started with, branching out from that last known position heading south following the direction of those tracks. It's possible that the search area would have started less than a half a mile away from where the Jeep was eventually found.

The fact that the search teams began right there and didn’t find the Jeep adds even more credibility to the belief that the vehicle wasn’t in that ravine the whole time. It suggests the Jeep was moved and staged after the initial searches had already cleared the area.
 
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I need to clarify something I said earlier. I mentioned that Daniel’s Jeep was found about two miles from where it was last seen turning into the desert. That’s technically true, but it wasn’t the last point where Ken said he saw Daniel’s tracks.

According to David, Ken told him on June 26th or 27th that he had driven farther out searching for Daniel. He said he followed Daniel’s tire tracks through a gate, marked rocks with red paint to mark where he had already gone, then eventually got out of his vehicle after driving further, climbed a hill, and looked around. You can hear David talk about this at the 1:08:15 mark in this video-




That means Buckeye PD may not have documented this detail from Ken, but David himself was told directly that the last place Daniel’s tracks were seen was less than a mile from where his Jeep was ultimately found. Either Ken or David would have relayed this to Buckeye PD during those early days.

And that’s important because this is exactly the area the Phoenix Fire bird helicopter, Civil Air Patrol and ground teams would have started with, branching out from that last known position heading south following the direction of those tracks. It's possible that the search area would have started less than a half a mile away from where the Jeep was eventually found.

The fact that the search teams began right there and didn’t find the Jeep adds even more credibility to the belief that the vehicle wasn’t in that ravine the whole time. It suggests the Jeep was moved and staged after the initial searches had already cleared the area.
"followed Daniel’s tire tracks through a gate"

Gate to where or from where? Usually, a gate implies an enclosure of some kind. Did Daniel go onto some rancher's property; or, did this the gate lead from the company's property?
 
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Along this route to the ravine there is a gate that needs to be opened to continue. Its not the ranchers property, almost all of the property out there is owned by BLM or the state itself. The rancher is just leasing the property.
 
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Along this route to the ravine there is a gate that needs to be opened to continue. Its not the ranchers property, almost all of the property out there is owned by BLM or the state itself. The rancher is just leasing the property.

Just to be clear, I don’t think Daniel’s Jeep actually took this route. In earlier posts I’ve shared satellite imagery showing that the route Police point to didn’t even exist when he disappeared. On top of that, Daniel’s Jeep was always very clean, he kept it that way, so it doesn’t make sense that he would suddenly start off roading for no reason when there was still a regular road available right in front of him.

It also doesn’t make sense for him to randomly pull up to that gate, get out, open it, drive through, close it, and then head off into the desert only to crash less than a mile later. Especially when you consider that directly to the right of that gate there was a road he could have taken, with no gate at all. The 23.6 miles driven between 9:06am and 12:54pm also supports this theory.
 
  • #760
Just to be clear, I don’t think Daniel’s Jeep actually took this route. In earlier posts I’ve shared satellite imagery showing that the route Police point to didn’t even exist when he disappeared. On top of that, Daniel’s Jeep was always very clean, he kept it that way, so it doesn’t make sense that he would suddenly start off roading for no reason when there was still a regular road available right in front of him.

It also doesn’t make sense for him to randomly pull up to that gate, get out, open it, drive through, close it, and then head off into the desert only to crash less than a mile later. Especially when you consider that directly to the right of that gate there was a road he could have taken, with no gate at all. The 23.6 miles driven between 9:06am and 12:54pm also supports this theory.
Another thing i just thought of-


If Daniel's tire tracks were fresh and the only ones on the road, why did Ken stop following them? He thought well enough to paint the rocks red but he didn't continue to follow fresh tracks?


Even if it stopped raining and Daniel went off-road then his tracks would still be visible the whole time. And if he did follow them until they went off-road then the search area turns from less than a mile to less than a quarter mile with tracks to follow off-road.
 

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