GUILTY AZ - Daniel Rodriguez, 29, fatally shot by Phoenix PD officer, 5 Oct 2010 #3

  • #181
I have been thinking of something...with the jury being out it seems like forever, I was thinking of reasonable doubt and what reasonable doubt they could possibly come up with.

-Virgillo being outside (would mean Vergillo is for some reason lying)
-But I reasoned in an above post that Vergillo would have to have gone out/not-paid-attention after the taser incident, b/c obviously he was keeping tabs on things if he shot the taser at Danny. (he admitted he went outside for a couple of seconds with the OC spray, but obviously came back to the action b/c he went on to fire his taser).
-but let's just forget why and just say he went outside after that (for some unknown reason). So then Chrisman is inside with Danny alone.
-if he is inside alone, yes, people can stretch and think that he might have perceived a threat from Danny and the bike (have to go a/g the forensic evidence which shows Danny could not have been holding the bike up like Chrisman said, but anyway).
-to get to above conclusion, you would have to believe the situation was out of Chrisman's control and he felt overwhelmed.
-you would also have to believe that Danny was being uncooperative/struggling/fighting....

Which leads me to....what if some jurors question why Vergillo took part in the OC spray-ing/taser-ing of Danny? I'm really worried about this point, if one or more jurors is looking for an excuse to believe all of the above. We know that Danny's actions were a direct response to Chrisman's assault on him and his immediate aggravated assault of Danny with the gun-to-temple incident. But what if some in the jury think that it was just Danny being uncooperative, and that Virgillo must have thought the same if he participated in the OC spray and taser-ing of Danny. From there, they might go on and think, maybe the situation got out-of-control and Chrisman reacted.



Just some thoughts, we never know what some jurors might be thinking.
 
  • #182
Funny, I get the impression he wants to convict.

Usually when a veteran is picked for jury duty it is by the Prosecutor's side. Vets tend to be very law abiding and hard nosed on crime. However; they are also known to be big supporters of law enforcement as well.

So this case is dicey since the defendant is a police officer.

Also the times I have been on jury duty with a veteran they are usually steadfast in their opinion even to the point of being a little stubborn sometime.

IMO
 
  • #183
This is pretty off topic but what gender are you all?

I know meebee is female and I'm guessing jewels is female? Just don't want to offend anyone if I got it wrong.

I'm female (name gave it away?? Lol)
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  • #184
This is pretty off topic but what gender are you all?

I know meebee is female and I'm guessing jewels is female? Just don't want to offend anyone if I got it wrong.

I'm female (name gave it away?? Lol)
Sent from my 'alternate reality' using my hippocampus

Female
 
  • #185
Female
 
  • #186
This is pretty off topic but what gender are you all?

I know meebee is female and I'm guessing jewels is female? Just don't want to offend anyone if I got it wrong.

I'm female (name gave it away?? Lol)
Sent from my 'alternate reality' using my hippocampus


Chubby Old Female
 
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Do you guys think we'll have a verdict on Monday?
 
  • #189
I thought we were all female but I thought I'd check.

I sure hope we have a verdict tomorrow.

we are having a monsoon/Gale force wind storm so I have cabin fever. Kids are driving me absolutely nuts. :floorlaugh:

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  • #190
I thought we were all female but I thought I'd check.

I sure hope we have a verdict tomorrow.

we are having a monsoon/Gale force wind storm so I have cabin fever. Kids are driving me absolutely nuts. :floorlaugh:

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I really hope for a verdict tomorrow too, the waiting for his family must be terrible.

How's the foot?

Send some of that rain over here, we are parched like nobodies business.
We actually have a hurricane just south of us, heading into Mexico, if we're lucky we'll get a drizzle. :o
 
  • #191
You are more than welcome to the rain,I have to avoid going out even for a second.if this thing gets wet it will stink to high heavens.

Foot it OK I guess still a little sore.

Hopefully my day goes as follows tomorrow...

Hospital
Breaking bad
Dexter
Guilty verdict

Fingers crossed

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  • #192
Female, ya'll know that when I said I can't imagine measure.

Peanut shape, or rather rounding out and thinning hair, night sweats, and all that goes with it. Ha!

I'm just here b/c you guys are and b/c it interests me.

My boss lost a case (defense attorney, major winner and fighter like Juan) and was angry. Yep, all attorneys, defense or prosecution, get mad when they know they are older, experienced and good, about a cop lying about drugs and school district. Juries have changed. In this city all know cops lie. All want drugs out. All want to be safe in public.

Heck, I was called for jury duty 20 years ago. Right before I got this job. A fairly large city, at the time #1 for murder rate in U.S. about 10 years running. I worked at a restaurant. Do you know, they still called jurors by name, still said where you worked out loud!!! I freaked out. My restaurant hired people through "The Program", hired from jail. It was a drug case, not murder. I told the lawyers during Juror Voir Dire I could not participate or put anyone in jail. ('Cause I knew in my mind would be killed if I did.) Do you know, the Judge chewed me out for half an hour with hypothetical stories about our known criminal restaurant owner and his potential murder, or him murdering, and the prosecution and defense attorneys came to the restaurant to make digs at me!!! That defense attorney eventually got it (and quit being a lawyer) but I was astounded at the idiocy and lack of concern for the jurors.

You know what, I suck telling these bad stories.

The truth of why this trial is not of interest is because people think the cop will get off. Or some harm will come and we will hear about it a few years from now. Not a story anyone wants to see. They know the possible endings.

I will hope for jail time for the cop. I should shut up, I have said too much, yet again.

ETA: To clarify, as if I can ever make sense. The case I mentioned above was about some cocaine under a passenger seat in a car. The defendant declared it was a passengers. I could see that. I could also see the rest of the jurors not understanding, long story, but even seeming homeless angry (some homeless are not angry) were being chosen, and I'll leave mind sets at that. But it was only that little corner of a baggie, no bigger than a pinkie nail. This guy was looking at 15 years! I don't know what that 4 lines of coke costs now, but back then it was like ten bucks. Our local rules passed a law that has since caused a lot of attorneys more work in retracting sentencing time. Not just the crack retro time, this was just regular coke. (I don't do drugs, but in restaurants, I was exposed to employees being paid in heroin and was more livid about my 4 dead friends in their early 20's than coke. Crack heads were on their own, I could only take so much. I still have friends that will be addicted to heroin forever, I can only try to help them stop, methodone is just a bridge, and does not stop. Oh, and there are some pills that I am told are just as bad withdrawals for heroin users, and please, those with loved ones, don't put faith in that.)

ETAA: (is that like P.S.S.?) What none of them knew, even the Judge that I told I would not see anything as I would be too busy, and I really was. I pulled in the best money I ever made serving food, or having a desk job, at that place at that time. What they did not know was I was the only mid-20's person there with a small child to support and protect. Not just looking out for me, not just being the hung juror, I had my DD.

God I hope none of you deal with this ever. I hope it is not part of the case. I have no idea.

The tweets about "smiling" jurors (which is most likely wrong) would tell me that they are hiding emotions. That bothers me. Sorry I brought up a mini novel about a long time ago. It just seemed time. It may explain small towns now, but we were not a small town then, nor is this. And, just a few days ago, no one cared that a cop lied. However, drug dealer does out weigh cop lying to a degree, but not in my mind. Point being, I hope the crime and fear is not that high there. (Small towns I thought were worse when I moved here almost 30 years ago, and I was wrong.) I hope the jury stands up, and starts to end the cycle there.

I would not want to be in their position.
 
  • #193
Gosh Merc, I thought my first jury experience was bad. lol I think it was in '91 or '92, very big city, never been downtown driving before, got lost on my way, in a bad section of town, had to climb up a trucker's cab to get directions to downtown from there (he was nice but that was scary), got there, no parking in parking garage, tried to park at the meters, changed mind (thank goodness, woulda been ticketed), found last parking slot in garage, made it inside in time.

Got selected for a 30 person panel for a drug with weapon charge, they tell us only the first two rows (15) need pay attention really, they never get to the back rows in selection. They go through typical questions, one - 'Could you convict and then give defendant probation?' All 'No's' raise hand. I raised hand, No, I could not, next question...it goes on. So many people raise hands during questions and are stricken they go through the 15 and can't sit enough, judge has attnys call up those struck but maybe could accept, I was one.

They ask if I 'could', maybe not today, maybe not even 'would', but 'could' I give probation if convicted. I tell them No, I thought it made a mockery of the justice system to convict someone of drugs with a gun and then tell them they can go home and don't do that again. Judge glares at me. Then judge says it's never happened before but he can't approve a jury from our pool so dismisses all of us.

I thought they'd never call me again but I got a summons every year to year and a half thereafter. lol I did sit on one jury, a guy got a ticket for an accident, we acquitted him of any wrong doing, wasn't his fault it was a freeway off ramp and a truck came around the bend too fast and side swiped him, why the heck did the cop ticket him?

I got called for a capital case once, had to fill out a questionaire and go back next day, totally forgot that I had plane tickets north for daughter's graduation during trial dates, showed itinerary to judge and was let off. The questions here for the death penalty (at least as explained during that first jury day by judge) make it very easy to give the DP, only two questions, one answered yes and one answered no, can't recall them exactly now but you barely knew your answers meant death for the defendant. No wonder we have the highest rate of executions.

Sorry for the OT, but it's trial related if not this particular one. lol

Sure hope we get a verdict around lunch tomorrow, my nerves are pretty tense over this.
 
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This is pretty off topic but what gender are you all?

I know meebee is female and I'm guessing jewels is female? Just don't want to offend anyone if I got it wrong.

I'm female (name gave it away?? Lol)
Sent from my 'alternate reality' using my hippocampus

female.:)
 
  • #197
Femme :)
 
  • #198
We better have a guilty verdict today I am not in a great mood after the hospital

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  • #199
We better have a guilty verdict today I am not in a great mood after the hospital

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Oh no, what did they do to you Josie?
 
  • #200
Turns out I have in fact broken both bones,at least another 4 weeks in th's boot and back for a scan then who knows what.

7Weeks at least in this boot...how depressing

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