AZ - Gabriel Cuen-Buitimea, allegedly shot and killed with an AK-47 by rancher George Alan Kelly, 75, Kino Springs, Jan 2023

[Deleted member 39678]

His ranch doesn't touch the border which is the point. Kino Springs does not touch the border, it is not a border town. The only border town in that area is Nogales and Nogales is a little farther south than Kino Springs.

I can't tell that from the map you posted.

 

[FLmom777]

It might be this one, from Feb 3, 3 days after the shooting when they had just identified the victim but were withholding his name. The official didn't yet know if it was an entrance or exit wound, he referred to "If they deem it....", ie he didn't know yet.

But 19 days later after the investigation the prosecutor says he was shot in the back.

Victim in Kino Springs shooting identified as Nogales, Sonora man

The Santa Cruz County Sheriff’s Office said Friday that it had tentatively identified the man who was shot and killed Monday in the Kino Springs area as Gabriel Cuen Buitimea,

www.nogalesinternational.com

No. It was very specific that it could be either.

 

[FLmom777]

His ranch doesn't touch the border which is the point. Kino Springs does not touch the border, it is not a border town. The only border town in that area is Nogales and Nogales is a little farther south than Kino Springs.

His ranch is only 1.5 miles from the border.

 

[Cool Cats]

I can't tell that from the map you posted.

Kino Springs is located 3 miles (5 km) southeast of Beyerville and 5 miles (8 km) east of Nogales. Kino Springs lies on the western foothills of the Patagonia Mountains with the highest peak, Mount Washington, rising approximately four miles due east.

The Mexican border lies about 1.5 miles to the south.[4]

Kino Springs, Arizona - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[wary]

K’s book, Far Beyond the Border Fence, is on Kindle Unlimited. I’m reading it.

So far, there are some themes and phrases that his attorney will probably wish he hadn’t written, but I’m not seeing anything that creeps me out, (compared to the book that Mackenzie Lueck’s murderer wrote.)

 

[Deleted member 39678]

His ranch is only 1.5 miles from the border.

Correct. Very close to the border.

Kelly’s home is roughly a mile and a half north of the U.S.-Mexico border and about 8 miles east of Nogales.

'Political powder keg': New details emerge as rancher charged with murder of Mexican citizen returns to court

George Alan Kelly, 75, is facing a first-degree murder charge for a man found on Jan. 30 shot dead on his ranch near Kino Springs.

www.azcentral.com

 

[Cool Cats]

His ranch is only 1.5 miles from the border.

Kino Springs is 1.5 miles from the border so his ranch is at least 1.5 miles from the border if not farther then that.

So close that he must be very familiar with the situation he found himself in, so why was this different for him? Did he snap?

That is, if he was indeed the person who shot an unarmed man in the back who was not right next to his house.

 

[Cool Cats]

Arizona rancher George Alan Kelly's murder charge downgraded to second-degree in shooting of Mexican migrant​

Arizona rancher George Alan Kelly's murder charge downgraded to second-degree in shooting of Mexican migrant

George Alan Kelly, the 73-year-old rancher accused of shooting and killing a Mexican man on his Arizona property on Jan. 30, has had his murder charge downgraded.

www.foxnews.com

His attorney, Brenna Larkin, entered a not guilty plea.

"That's a significant change in the charge," she said. "Second-degree murder is, frankly, a more complicated theory of the case for both the state and the defense."

 

[Missing Susan]

The victim was so far away that the rancher wouldn't be able to tell if he had a gun or if he was a threat but was also close enough for the rancher to drop him in his tracks with a bullet to the back as he was running away through the trees?

 

[SteveS]

Kino Springs is 1.5 miles from the border so his ranch is at least 1.5 miles from the border if not farther then that.

So close that he must be very familiar with the situation he found himself in, so why was this different for him? Did he snap?

That is, if he was indeed the person who shot an unarmed man in the back who was not right next to his house.

While Kino Springs center is about 1.5 miles from the border, (a) a Kino Springs address doesn't mean someone lives in the center of the town itself, and (b) even 1.5 miles is not that far!!

From information about the case, it looks like Kelly lives south/southeast of the town on a 170-acre gated and fenced ranch, with the southern edge of his property about 0.5 miles from the border. It's not unreasonable to consider him as living right on the border, being that close. It's also noteworthy that early reports said "Two migrants in the group later told authorities that Kelly shot at them as well, but they were not hit and escaped over a fence back into Mexico." That also implies he lives incredibly close to the border, where going over a fence essentially gets them back to the border.

 

[Laughing]

His ranch doesn't touch the border which is the point. Kino Springs does not touch the border, it is not a border town. The only border town in that area is Nogales and Nogales is a little farther south than Kino Springs.

Link, please?

Did someone check at the Santa Cruz County Courthouse to see how far south this ranch reaches?

 

[NuttMegg]

The victim was so far away that the rancher wouldn't be able to tell if he had a gun or if he was a threat but was also close enough for the rancher to drop him in his tracks with a bullet to the back as he was running away through the trees?

His story is all over the place. They will have to firm that up. Too far away to see if they had guns, that one will be hard to retract.

Imo

 

[shotgun09]

His story is all over the place. They will have to firm that up. Too far away to see if they had guns, that one will be hard to retract.

Imo

Similar to the "witness' ( other victim) who claimed via LE yesterday, about the distance between Kelly's and the deceased. According to the states' witness, Kelly was within 10 yards of the victim when he shot GC-B. Next to impossible, per the defense, being that the body was 100-150 yards away from the home, and 9 shell casings were all found near the porch area of the ranch. Zero casings were found near the victim in the field. It seems like the witness statements have a bit of firming up to do as well. MOO

 

[NuttMegg]

Similar to the "witness' ( other victim) who claimed via LE yesterday, about the distance between Kelly's and the deceased. According to the states' witness, Kelly was within 10 yards of the victim when he shot GC-B. Next to impossible, per the defense, being that the body was 100-150 yards away from the home, and 9 shell casings were all found near the porch area of the ranch. Zero casings were found near the victim in the field. It seems like the witness statements have a bit of firming up to do as well. MOO

The judge (another term for that) referred to the difference in accounts and said that the account of Kelly was the least believable, paraphrased. Sorry I bookmarked everything on my pc and now I have just my phone. They haven't released whether a bullet was found where the victim was, 80 yards iirc from where Kelly had been shooting. Anyway that distance is far more damning than the weird report of 10 yards from that one guy. Maybe both things happened, he ambushed them closer up then went back to his porch and sprayed more bullets which shot the victim in the back.

 

[worm]

Did they find evidence of the rancher being shot at like he said?

 

[Cool Cats]

Link, please?

Did someone check at the Santa Cruz County Courthouse to see how far south this ranch reaches?

Arizona rancher, 73, who shot trespassing migrant released on $1M bond with help of Christian group

Christian fundraising site steps up after GoFundMe takes down pages for elderly AZ rancher charge with first-degree murder

www.bizpacreview.com

VERMILION MOUNTAIN RANCH

Vermilion Mountain Ranch is a must see property. This absolutely beautiful ranch includes 169.5 +/- acres of native grass lands with varied terrain and vegetation. It is a very picturesque setting wit

www.landwatch.com

AZ Rancher Accused of Murder Claims He Fired Warning Shots, Lawyer Says

Counsel for the Arizona rancher held in the shooting death of a Mexican migrant claims self-defense, asks the court to reduce or eliminate bond.

www.drovers.com

Victim in Kino Springs shooting identified as Nogales, Sonora man

The Santa Cruz County Sheriff’s Office said Friday that it had tentatively identified the man who was shot and killed Monday in the Kino Springs area as Gabriel Cuen Buitimea,

www.nogalesinternational.com

1.) Outline of ranch
2.) Call came in that body was found by Sagebrush Rd

 

[SteveS]

Similar to the "witness' ( other victim) who claimed via LE yesterday, about the distance between Kelly's and the deceased. According to the states' witness, Kelly was within 10 yards of the victim when he shot GC-B. Next to impossible, per the defense, being that the body was 100-150 yards away from the home, and 9 shell casings were all found near the porch area of the ranch. Zero casings were found near the victim in the field. It seems like the witness statements have a bit of firming up to do as well. MOO

There's another issue here in relation to distance -- these are people trying to unlawfully trespass across Kelly's property, but why were they so close to his home? His property is about 1000 yards x 1000 yards, and aerial photos show it's just scrub trees and dirt/grass. His house is in the middle and north of center of that massive area.

Yet here, the witness says they came within 10 feet? And the evidence is that Kelly didn't go to them - he was shooting from his porch -- so that means they must have been coming at him, right towards his house, right? They shouldn't have come anywhere near his home, yet they did.

These are not people on the edge of his property, or on a nearby property, but rather ones who have breached his fences and then come up to his home. There are hundreds of yards in other directions, acres and acres, where they can stay far away AND also be less likely to be seen (if hiding is their goal). Why do they head towards his home?

At the very least, there's an incredible hubris here to breached a man's fence, go across his property anywhere you want, without his permission, as if you own the place and have the right to be there. But it seems to me it's even more than that, because if you are so bold as to disrespect my property rights and then you head towards my house, what more might you think you can do? With plenty of ways you could avoid that, but don't, heading at me and mine might feel like a threat, or some sort of looming attack, because why else would you do that?

 

[NuttMegg]

Arizona rancher, 73, who shot trespassing migrant released on $1M bond with help of Christian group

Christian fundraising site steps up after GoFundMe takes down pages for elderly AZ rancher charge with first-degree murder

www.bizpacreview.com

VERMILION MOUNTAIN RANCH

Vermilion Mountain Ranch is a must see property. This absolutely beautiful ranch includes 169.5 +/- acres of native grass lands with varied terrain and vegetation. It is a very picturesque setting wit

www.landwatch.com

AZ Rancher Accused of Murder Claims He Fired Warning Shots, Lawyer Says

Counsel for the Arizona rancher held in the shooting death of a Mexican migrant claims self-defense, asks the court to reduce or eliminate bond.

www.drovers.com

Victim in Kino Springs shooting identified as Nogales, Sonora man

The Santa Cruz County Sheriff’s Office said Friday that it had tentatively identified the man who was shot and killed Monday in the Kino Springs area as Gabriel Cuen Buitimea,

www.nogalesinternational.com

Wow very interesting, again. Sounds like a wonderful place, but with it adjacent to all those subdivisions I wonder what the property taxes are.

Eta: how could he see anyone clearly 100 yards through that scrub. (Referring to the 51 photos at the link)

 

[SteveS]

The more I look at this case, the less simple it looks. And if it devolves into some sort of "whose fault is it" issue, it's hard to defend people who are disrespecting a person's property rights, and invading his homestead. Aren't you deliberately putting yourself in harm's way, when you do something like that?

 

[shotgun09]

There's another issue here in relation to distance -- if these are people trying to sneak across Kelly's property, why were they so close to his home? His property is about 1000 yards x 1000 yards, and aerial photos show it's just scrub trees and dirt/grass. His house is in the middle and north of center of that massive area.

IN THAT CONTEXT, here's a group of uninvited trespassers coming across his fence and then heading towards his house and getting within 100 yards of his house when it's all alone in wide open spaces. These are not people on the edge of his property, or on a nearby property, but rather ones who have breached his fences and then come up to his home. There are hundreds of yards in other directions, acres and acres, where they can stay far away AND also be less likely to be seen (if hiding is their goal). Yet they head towards his home? That might feel like a threat, or some sort of looming attack, because why else would they do that?

Yet here, the witness says they came within 10 feet? And the evidence is that Kelly didn't go to them - he was shooting from his porch -- so that means they must have been coming at him, right?

Per court testimony yesterday of LE, one of the witnesses stated that they were ''looking for water", while on Kelly's property. When the defense attorney asked where was the water source on the property, LE 'did not know'. They did not investigate that.