AZ - Gabriel Cuen-Buitimea, allegedly shot and killed with an AK-47 by rancher George Alan Kelly, 75, Kino Springs, Jan 2023

[NuttMegg]

But maybe he didn't have BP check the area he fired towards. I don't think he admitted firing at all until much later. JMO.

He said 'there's a body over there, as soon as I saw it I backed away from it.' Later, Kelly spoke with detectives. After initially denying that he shot at the group, he later admitted shooting.

He claimed he directed his shots over the heads of the group.

Rancher who shot dead cartel drug smuggler doesn't know what to expect

George Alan Kelly is facing a 2nd degree murder charge for the January 30 shooting. He insists he did not shoot the Mexican man whose body was found on his Arizona ranch.

www.dailymail.co.uk

If he finally admitted "shooting over the heads", and that just happened to be in the direction the body was found.... I sure would like to see the evidence the Pros. atty said she was not releasing yet.

 

[FLmom777]

If he didn't admit to even firing his AK until after the final BP visit when the body had already been found, then they were probably walking somewhere near the perimeter of his property to see if there was an active threat. It's a large property. It could be hard to see a body if you weren't looking for it, due the grass and vegetation. They weren't thinking that anyone had been shot because K did not tell them that he fired his weapon on that first visit, did he? I don't think he told them he shot at or over the heads of migrants in such and such an area, because he didn't even admit that he shot "over their heads" until speaking with detectives later. JMO.

' Later, Kelly spoke with detectives. After initially denying that he shot at the group, he later admitted shooting.'

Rancher who shot dead cartel drug smuggler doesn't know what to expect

George Alan Kelly is facing a 2nd degree murder charge for the January 30 shooting. He insists he did not shoot the Mexican man whose body was found on his Arizona ranch.

www.dailymail.co.uk

He told them he heard gunfire.

 

[shotgun09]

He told them he heard gunfire.

I wonder if the Sheriff and the DA had their fingers in their ears when that was reported? Just sayin...

 

[pentimento]

He told them he heard gunfire.

Well that sure narrows down where to look.

 

[NuttMegg]

More obfuscation from the defense. Soon to be featured as a script for a western. IMO
Challenge to probable cause doc. dated 3 March 2023

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Kelly-CR-Motion-new-PC.pdf

 

[shotgun09]

More obfuscation from the defense. Soon to be featured as a script for a western. IMO
Challenge to probable cause doc. dated 3 March 2023

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Kelly-CR-Motion-new-PC.pdf

Wow! That sounds just like the 'script' I have been writing!
Impressive Defense, I must say.

I believe Kelly appears in Superior Court today, and faces a judge....not a magistrate. Should prove interesting

 

[SteveS]

More obfuscation from the defense.

How dare the defense show that
... the state's case has so many holes it's made of swiss cheese, or
... the state made a mistake (or was sloppy), or
... there's an incredible paucity of evidence that Kelly shot anyone, or
... the witness statements were inconsistent and not credible, or
... the state's claims really don't hold up to any scrutiny.

The state should be able to jump to conclusions, and accuse people of crimes, and no one should dare challenge it, yes?!?!? Yikes.

 

[NuttMegg]

Anyone note that now he was found with a backpack?

ETA with no weapons inside

 

[NuttMegg]

5 questions likely to emerge in the trial of Arizona rancher accused of murder​

1. How much can one see across a football field?​

2. Why is the bullet trajectory upward? (imo this is easily explained, no one runs from gunfire in an upright posture, he would have been leaning forward, and possibly dove down if he thought bullets were near. If he was wearing a backpack, imo the entry and exit holes on the backpack will help refine the trajectory) ​

3. What did the rancher's wife see and hear?​

4. Why are witness statements inconsistent?​

5. How did border chaos affect this shooting?​

5 questions likely to emerge in the trial of Arizona rancher accused of murder

Did Arizona rancher George Alan Kelly murder an unarmed Mexican man trespassing on his land? Here are 5 arguments that will need answers.

www.azcentral.com

 

[Ontario Mom]

How dare the defense show that
... the state's case has so many holes it's made of swiss cheese, or
... the state made a mistake (or was sloppy), or
... there's an incredible paucity of evidence that Kelly shot anyone, or
... the witness statements were inconsistent and not credible, or
... the state's claims really don't hold up to any scrutiny.

The state should be able to jump to conclusions, and accuse people of crimes, and no one should dare challenge it, yes?!?!? Yikes.

Following this from Canada has proven difficult at times since many links are blocked. Based on what I've been able to read, and the comments here, it strikes me that this case appears to be (from the prosecution's side) a matter of looking for evidence to support a theory (i.e., of course he's guilty, he hates illegal immigrants, or something, therefore he's a murderer), instead of letting the actual evidence tell the story.

jmo

 

[SteveS]

5 questions likely to emerge in the trial of Arizona rancher accused of murder​

1. How much can one see across a football field?​

2. Why is the bullet trajectory upward? [sbm]​

3. What did the rancher's wife see and hear?​

4. Why are witness statements inconsistent?​

5. How did border chaos affect this shooting?​

5 questions likely to emerge in the trial of Arizona rancher accused of murder

Did Arizona rancher George Alan Kelly murder an unarmed Mexican man trespassing on his land? Here are 5 arguments that will need answers.

www.azcentral.com

These are good, fair, necessary questions.

The more closely we look, this does seem to be a kangaroo court thing. You can't put a man on trial in peril of his life or freedom, forcing him to spend lots of money to hire attorney, experts, etc to prove he didn't do it, with evidence this weak. REASONABLE cause means there's enough evidence that it's "reasonable" to think a jury might convict. But with this bag of bricks they've collected, and the obvious gaping holes, it's fairly absurd. imo anyhow

A man is dead. Kelly is a possible suspect. But there is NO physical evidence, there are other reasonable suspects, and the only witnesses they have offer stories that contradict themselves and the facts of the case. They need way way way way more to take this to trial. Goodness, at this point, they can't even prove it was a bullet from Kelly that did this.

 

[Cool Cats]

5 questions likely to emerge in the trial of Arizona rancher accused of murder​

1. How much can one see across a football field?​

2. Why is the bullet trajectory upward? (imo this is easily explained, no one runs from gunfire in an upright posture, he would have been leaning forward, and possibly dove down if he thought bullets were near. If he was wearing a backpack, imo the entry and exit holes on the backpack will help refine the trajectory) ​

3. What did the rancher's wife see and hear?​

4. Why are witness statements inconsistent?​

5. How did border chaos affect this shooting?​

5 questions likely to emerge in the trial of Arizona rancher accused of murder

Did Arizona rancher George Alan Kelly murder an unarmed Mexican man trespassing on his land? Here are 5 arguments that will need answers.

www.azcentral.com

Same article but do not have to create a free account:

5 questions likely to emerge in the trial of Arizona rancher accused of murder

Did Arizona rancher George Alan Kelly murder an unarmed Mexican man trespassing on his land? Here are 5 arguments that will need answers.

news.yahoo.com

Wanda Kelly (George Alan Kelly's wife) leaves Nogales Justice Court on Feb. 22, 2023, in Nogales.

 

[Cool Cats]

These are good, fair, necessary questions.

The more closely we look, this does seem to be a kangaroo court thing. You can't put a man on trial in peril of his life or freedom, forcing him to spend lots of money to hire attorney, experts, etc to prove he didn't do it, with evidence this weak. REASONABLE cause means there's enough evidence that it's "reasonable" to think a jury might convict. But with this bag of bricks they've collected, and the obvious gaping holes, it's fairly absurd. imo anyhow

A man is dead. Kelly is a possible suspect. But there is NO physical evidence, there are other reasonable suspects, and the only witnesses they have offer stories that contradict themselves and the facts of the case. They need way way way way more to take this to trial. Goodness, at this point, they can't even prove it was a bullet from Kelly that did this.

It is already going to trial.

Kelly's case will now head to the Santa Cruz County Superior Court for a full trial.

“There’s just so many things that are in question,” Justice of the Peace Emilio Velasquez said during his ruling. “The court does find that these offenses were committed by this defendant.”

 

[PrairieWind]

It is already going to trial.

Kelly's case will now head to the Santa Cruz County Superior Court for a full trial.

“There’s just so many things that are in question,” Justice of the Peace Emilio Velasquez said during his ruling. “The court does find that these offenses were committed by this defendant.”

This case is moving right along, isn't it?

 

[SteveS]

It is already going to trial.

Kelly's case will now head to the Santa Cruz County Superior Court for a full trial.

“There’s just so many things that are in question,” Justice of the Peace Emilio Velasquez said during his ruling. “The court does find that these offenses were committed by this defendant.”

"It is already going to trial.

Respectfully, that remains to be seen. The defense has taken issue with the correctness of the "probable cause" ruling, which sent it to trial. They have filed motion to, in essence, have it vacated, and go back to start. They make quite a few reasonable objections to the process, and therefore the findings. Unless the JP ruling clears this hurdle, there is no trial looming until the JP court can offer much better.

That motion was filed Friday. A hearing is today (1:30 pm), for both arraignment and motion, but imo we shouldn't expect a ruling today.

Kelly-CR-Motion-new-PC.pdf

 

[Cool Cats]

This case is moving right along, isn't it?

I am used to cases taking forever, this is too fast. Arrested the next day, overcharged because they were too quick to charge, trial probably will be rushed. Some report his trial starts today!

Took a year and 4 months to charge Alec Baldwin of shooting on a movie set. They investigated it that long.

This case had no investigation, seriously. Keystone Cops - Keystone Court.

 

[Cool Cats]

"It is already going to trial.

Respectfully, that remains to be seen. The defense has taken issue with the correctness of the "reasonable cause" ruling, which sent it to trial. They have filed motion to, in essence, have it vacated, and go back to start. They make quite a few reasonable objections to the process, and therefore the findings. Unless the JP ruling clears this hurdle, there is no trial looming until the JP court can offer much better.

Kelly-CR-Motion-new-PC.pdf

Thanks, this is a bit "weird" to me, quite different from the usual. Media says his trial is today, that's how strange this case is, even the media is confused about this case - how it is being handled.

NO NORMAL INVESTIGATION BEFORE ARREST ... !!!!!!!!

 

[shotgun09]

Thanks, this is a bit "weird" to me, quite different from the usual. Media says his trial is today, that's how strange this case is, even the media is confused about this case - how it is being handled.

NO NORMAL INVESTIGATION BEFORE ARREST ... !!!!!!!!

Today is scheduled as an arraignment. So, the beginning. Kelly will be formally charged in Superior Court, under a real live judge, who will oversee the case. Kelly will then be able to plea not guilty ( I am assuming). He did not formally do that two weeks ago. It is scheduled for a short amt of time, however with the Defense's motion ^^^^, this may not even happen if the judge agrees to consider their motion presented.

Court will be livestreamed today also, I believe

 

[NuttMegg]

These are good, fair, necessary questions.

The more closely we look, this does seem to be a kangaroo court thing. You can't put a man on trial in peril of his life or freedom, forcing him to spend lots of money to hire attorney, experts, etc to prove he didn't do it, with evidence this weak. REASONABLE cause means there's enough evidence that it's "reasonable" to think a jury might convict. But with this bag of bricks they've collected, and the obvious gaping holes, it's fairly absurd. imo anyhow

A man is dead. Kelly is a possible suspect. But there is NO physical evidence, there are other reasonable suspects, and the only witnesses they have offer stories that contradict themselves and the facts of the case. They need way way way way more to take this to trial. Goodness, at this point, they can't even prove it was a bullet from Kelly that did this.

Kelly IS a suspect, not a "possible suspect", he's been charged, far more than being a "suspect". He's not some vaguely-defined POI. Also we haven't heard all the evidence. We don't know if they can prove it was a bullet from Kelly.

The main thing I have said over and over, imo, it was an accident (due to recklessness or bitterness taking over his mind and maybe loss of physical control, for the reasons we've laid out, loss of value of land, failure at tourism, combined with disdain for immigrants, etc),

and that he will get off no matter what the evidence, jmo.

 

[SteveS]

Thanks, this is a bit "weird" to me, quite different from the usual. Media says his trial is today, that's how strange this case is, even the media is confused about this case - how it is being handled.

Today is not the trial. It's a (preliminary) hearing. One of the issues to be aired is whether it even heads to trial at all.

If you want to follow the process first-hand, here's the schedule step by step. I think you can click on the link and see the actual court hearing, when the time comes.

State of Arizona Vs. George A. Kelly - CR-23-0026 | Santa Cruz County, AZ - Official Website

High-Interest Case

santacruzcountyaz.gov