AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #11

[ella971]

I think some people are just like that. my inlaws drive me crazy,
they iron there clothes to sit in a car for an 8 hr trip lol

That made me giggle.Good point. What do you think about her photos displayed on the night table.I'm thinking of it as a a crime scene.What looks out of place.Those few things I mentioned do not look like a Mom who is going to kill her child.IMO. What do you guys think?

 

[Amster]

Apparently there was a little blurb of Gabriel on AMW, in between commercials.

That's awful! How sad.

 

[panthera]

AMW is over and nothing about Gabriel.

I can't believe I just sat through this hour either ~ and they'd posted on their web site they'd have something about him. Now I wonder why they didn't have more than a very brief mention? :waitasec:

 

[Ransom]

It makes sense. I was just saying that what if the adoptive parents had been using a prepaid from the beginning? One that doesn't need to be registered to someone? Also, not sure if Craigslist was used. She may have been searching adoptive forums or even surrogate forums. If that were the case then an email would have been sent and that could be traced, unless they used a public computer like at the library. If what knew what they were doing was illegal then I can see them taking a lot of steps so they would never be traced. I just think if they were able to be traced LE would have done so by know. It seems like LE is at a dead end unless there are things we don't know, which I am sure is the case. I am just getting discouraged that it has been so long. I hope LE has this more under controll then it looks like.

Any contact (by EJ or TS or those unknown people) is traceable in one way on another. LE and FBI have her camera, they have her computer(s), they have Tammi's/Jack's/they have way more than we know. I'm just anxious. We all are. We all want Gabriel found NOW and safe. I guess I just have to trust LE and FBI and be patient.

 

[BeanE]

I'm just catching up. Has this been sent to LE or the FBI? If not, please send immediately. That looks like it could be a match. If it's nothing, they'll be able to determine it. But this needs to be sent to them.

TIA

Thats exactly what it is because if you look at this picture that I blew up you will see that the side that is facing UP is straight and the other side is round.

 

[momtective]

I also would like to throw out there that EJ and LM lived together for 2 years. LM obviously loves his son, and I believe he still loves Elizabeth. He was in a situation where he did the best he could. Then came the predator wanting their baby, pressuring Elizabeth who had had bad time with her early life.

I don't care who is mad at me -- I think that if the predator had not been there from the beginning, maybe things would have worked out.

LM put up with things that were coming up from her childhood. He was not equipped to do it all himself.

If Tammi and Jack had not come into their lives and pressured Eliz, lied to Eliz, this would have never happened. And that's MO.

I couldn't agree with you more! Young couples have trouble all the time and the fact that EJ was off of her meds for a couple of months only compounded the situation. I also see Tammi as a predator, she saw EJ and Gabriel and took full advantage of EJ's diminished mental capacity. She wanted that baby and I think she was willing to go to whatever lengths necessary to get him. If she wouldn't have interfered I think Logan and EJ would have either worked it out or Logan would have gotten her committed and taken full custody of Gabriel until she was well.

 

[what about this?]

My hope is that they are moving in as we speak on a certain Scottsdale couple.

I think earlier they were going to run it, but now they have the goods they need. AND - IMO - can't as for help when they already know where Baby Gabriel is.

Maybe this is it.

 

[Gypsy Road]

I can't believe I just sat through this hour either ~ and they'd posted on their web site they'd have something about him. Now I wonder why they didn't have more than a very brief mention? :waitasec:

Me either! I wish they would have given Gabe more than just a second of their time. That baby/bus story - holy heavens that shook me up. Unbelievable how cruel!

 

[b4e]

I'm just catching up. Has this been sent to LE or the FBI? If not, please send immediately. That looks like it could be a match. If it's nothing, they'll be able to determine it. But this needs to be sent to them.

TIA

I'm working on it.

 

[BeanE]

Yes, it was in the room: picture #2
http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/New-Pics-81822177.html?gallery=y&img=1&c=y

I don't know how to tell a diaper bag from a tote bag lol. Haven't used a diaper bag in many years and they looked much different then.

How do we know that's a diaper bag as opposed to a tote?

TIA

 

[Ransom]

If she was hooked up with some underground group....they know how to be sneaky. But, usually, don't the mom and baby go underground together?

If she "hooked up" with some unknown underground people there will be a trace. Either phone, email, text ... something. Everything is traceable, even an ad in a paper or online. Le and FBI can find that. What they would have a hard time finding is a little body somewhere in Texas.

 

[strawberry]

My hope is that they are moving in as we speak on a certain Scottsdale couple.

I think earlier they were going to run it, but now they have the goods they need. AND - IMO - can't as for help when they already know where Baby Gabriel is.

Maybe this is it.

That's what I'm thinking...something either really good or really bad is going down so they pulled it. I didn't even see the little blurb but my sister had to call right in the middle so I may have missed it....

 

[Amster]

I'm just catching up. Has this been sent to LE or the FBI? If not, please send immediately. That looks like it could be a match. If it's nothing, they'll be able to determine it. But this needs to be sent to them.

TIA

Somebody posted that Logan and others were wondering what it is, also...on Gabriels site.

 

[Ransom]

I don't know how to tell a diaper bag from a tote bag lol. Haven't used a diaper bag in many years and they looked much different then.

How do we know that's a diaper bag as opposed to a tote?

TIA

We don't. It was just a picture from that room and a bag on an ironing board. Looks like one to me, but I have no proof of anything.

 

[mamaeb]

I'm just catching up. Has this been sent to LE or the FBI? If not, please send immediately. That looks like it could be a match. If it's nothing, they'll be able to determine it. But this needs to be sent to them.

TIA

Yes I just got off the phone. We may have an audience here now.

 

[panthera]

My hope is that they are moving in as we speak on a certain Scottsdale couple.

I think earlier they were going to run it, but now they have the goods they need. AND - IMO - can't as for help when they already know where Baby Gabriel is.

Maybe this is it.

I certainly pray you are right!

 

[RJA00]

I couldn't agree with you more! Young couples have trouble all the time and the fact that EJ was off of her meds for a couple of months only compounded the situation. I also see Tammi as a predator, she saw EJ and Gabriel and took full advantage of EJ's diminished mental capacity. She wanted that baby and I think she was willing to go to whatever lengths necessary to get him. If she wouldn't have interfered I think Logan and EJ would have either worked it out or Logan would have gotten her committed and taken full custody of Gabriel until she was well.

meds can make a big impact

my husband ex mother in law is 100 percent when she on her meds
but, once in a blue moon she thinks she dont need them anymore and her kids have to baker act her to get her on shots to get her regulated again, hasnt happend for a long time knock on wood

 

[~Lisa~]

They mentioned Gabriel right before going to commercial. I didn't even turn around in time to see him, it was that quick. It just gave a quick little blurb, and to call if you have seen him. Very disappointing.

Yeah by the time I looked at the tv it was over.
I couldn't believe it!






jmo

 

[what about this?]

Meanwhile, over on FB there appears to be chaos. Hmm.

People asking if a certain predator has ever kissed a girl -- I AM NOT KIDDING.

 

[RJA00]

That made me giggle.Good point. What do you think about her photos displayed on the night table.I'm thinking of it as a a crime scene.What looks out of place.Those few things I mentioned do not look like a Mom who is going to kill her child.IMO. What do you guys think?

my opinion on that from my personal experience with a legal adoption
my sons bio mom gave me pics of the family right before i adopted him

I dont know if the pics have been found in her belongings