AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #13

[hoppyfrog]

Hoppyfrog - If you are still around, is it okay to post if someone contacts a reporter to ask for clarification? Not a campaign, but just so that a million people don't email the same reporter, all asking the same question?

I think that is a good idea.

Hoppy

 

[DairyGirl]

I thought about that too but I couldn't put it into words to post it.
Although, sedated, was not the word I thought.
Perhaps she "disposed" of him at one of the stops along the bus route to FL. I wonder if LE has been checking dumpsters etc. at those stops.

I think anything is a possibility. All I know is that EJ seemed very confident that he would not be found. I do think if there was any communication with the "adoptive" parents LE would have that by now. EJ was not brilliant in what she did. Otherwise how would LE have found her very quickly after she arrived in FL?
I wonder if she would tell LM what she did? I know she hates him now but they have had bad break ups before. He even filed a restraining order against her and dropped it. Maybe he could try to warm her up and make her think they were getting back together. I think she still has feelings for her. What got her mad was that he wouldn't talk to her anymore and went to court, taking things out of her control. Up until that point she thought she could use Gabriel to get to him and when he stopped talking to her and took the control away from her it seems that is when she went ballistic. I don't know if it's a good idea but I am like others, grasping at straws.

 

[NewMommy09]

Is a youth hostel something someone EJ's age would just know to look for when she got to FL? Was the one where she stayed close to the bus station?

I think it's been determined that the bus route took her to Ft. Myers, and we aren't sure how she got to Miami Beach.
As for the hostel? It may be something she knew to look for, considering her past. Personally I didn't even know what a youth hostel was until the NY Jane Doe with amnesia story a few months back.

ETA: Sorry, I think it was Ft. Lauderdale, not Ft. Myers. My error. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[vjlaw]

Her ticket was to Fort Lauderdale. Did we ever figure out how she would have gotten from there to Miami Beach?

Does LE check lockers at bus terminals when they suspect someone may have stashed cash?

So was the hostel in Ft. Lauderdale or Miami Beach?

 

[danni]

And if she had money why did she need to depend on an "underground" to give her diapers and formula, unless she was just being a mooch. ????

Greed!

 

[not_my_kids]

So was the hostel in Ft. Lauderdale or Miami Beach?

The hostel was in Miami Beach, they found her there on a tip.

 

[BeanE]

I thought about that too but I couldn't put it into words to post it.
Although, sedated, was not the word I thought.
Perhaps she "disposed" of him at one of the stops along the bus route to FL. I wonder if LE has been checking dumpsters etc. at those stops.

That gives me such a sick feeling. I just hate how babies and children get thrown out like trash. It's so important to me that they be found so they can be laid to rest with the dignity and respect they deserve.

The idea that, if Gabriel is no longer with us, that he could be anywhere along that long route, is just awful to me.

 

[panthera]

Her ticket was to Fort Lauderdale. Did we ever figure out how she would have gotten from there to Miami Beach?

Does LE check lockers at bus terminals when they suspect someone may have stashed cash?

Great questions!!!

 

[not_my_kids]

That gives me such a sick feeling. I just hate how babies and children get thrown out like trash. It's so important to me that they be found so they can be laid to rest with the dignity and respect they deserve.

The idea that, if Gabriel is no longer with us, that he could be anywhere along that long route, is just awful to me.

That's one of my biggest fears, that she did do exactly what she says she did to him, although I have my doubts. They never even searched the landfills...if he isn't with someone somewhere, they might never find him now.

 

[vjlaw]

I think it's been determined that the bus route took her to Ft. Myers, and we aren't sure how she got to Miami Beach.
As for the hostel? It may be something she knew to look for, considering her past. Personally I didn't even know what a youth hostel was until the NY Jane Doe with amnesia story a few months back.

ETA: Sorry, I think it was Ft. Lauderdale, not Ft. Myers. My error. Sorry for the confusion.

I am not familiar with them either. If she has never been in FL, it could have been something she was told would be a "safe" place to stay as part of the process. A source for a ride???

 

[b4e]

TPS has just posted that she needs family time and will be unable to answer questions on her 'fan page'.

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?t...ammi-Peters-SmithGabriel-Johnson/249331974425

 

[NewMommy09]

That gives me such a sick feeling. I just hate how babies and children get thrown out like trash. It's so important to me that they be found so they can be laid to rest with the dignity and respect they deserve.

The idea that, if Gabriel is no longer with us, that he could be anywhere along that long route, is just awful to me.

So sorry for that mental picture BeanE. I wasn't going to share that thought until another poster was on the same wavelength. I feel the same way you do about it. The thought makes me sick.

Unfortunately, IMO, there is some logic to this theory. Elizabeth did tell Logan that when she was out of the country, she would tell him where Gabe's body was. She wasn't arrested for 4 days AFTER the last time Gabe was seen, and who knows how much longer she would have taken to get out of the USA. I can't see how at that point it would do any good to tell Logan what SA dumpster she left him in. They would still have to find him in the landfill. But if she left him somewhere along the way, yeah, it would help to know where. I've heard that there is usually a kernal of truth in the lies with people like this.

I SINCERELY PRAY I AM WRONG!!!

 

[BeanE]

So was the hostel in Ft. Lauderdale or Miami Beach?

The bus ticket she bought was to Ft Lauderdale, but the hostel she was arrested at was in Miami Beach.

 

[hoppyfrog]

I posted a few minutes ago that I was starting to see posters again posting about what they are doing/posting at websites other than WS.

A poster asked me to clarify this, which is a good idea.

What we are trying to avoid are posts like, "I'm going to go over to her FB page and post X."

Or, "I can't wait to see what she posts back to me after I wrote X."

In other words, we don't want a middle school type of narration of a chick fight..."and then she said"..."and then I said"..."and then blah blah blah."

Post at anyone's site, but don't announce here at WS that you did so. Likewise, don't post here what so and so's response to you was on another site.

It's fine to post a link to the FB and say, "I noticed today she said yadda yadda yadda." We just don't want all the details about how you generated a response on a FB page.

I hope that makes sense.

Thanks,

Hoppy

 

[panthera]

I sure wish we knew why she picked Florida.

Since she ended up in Miami Beach, "fun in the sun" comes to my mind. MOO

 

[trudysplace]

Thanks. They emailed and asked me to call back next week while Tammi is on! That should be fun

I don't want to burst your bubble...but don't hold your breath. It is still my belief (and opinion) that anything past this Wednesday (EJ's preliminary hearing date) concerning anything Tammi is involved in or scheduled for is a lost cause. That is, unless they are allowed to gain entry for visitations! Seriously.

 

[panthera]

The bus ticket she bought was to Ft Lauderdale, but the hostel she was arrested at was in Miami Beach.

This kind of belongs with your previous post, but I forgot to add that it's about 30 mi. from Ft. Lauderdale to Miami Beach so she could've gotten on another bus, maybe?

 

[NewMommy09]

This kind of belongs with your previous post, but I forgot to add that it's about 30 mi. from Ft. Lauderdale to Miami Beach so she could've gotten on another bus, maybe?

Sorry, I could probably look this up, but it seems easier to ask for clarification. Is that 30 miles, or 30 minutes? Thanks.

ETA: upon further thought, it's probably about the same thing.

 

[mamaeb]

I don't want to burst your bubble...but don't hold your breath. It is still my belief (and opinion) that anything past this Wednesday (TJ's preliminary hearing date) concerning anything Tammi is involved in or scheduled for is a lost cause. That is, unless they are allowed to gain entry for visitations! Seriously.

I know! Plus She MIGHT get smart by then and get a lawyer who will finally tell her to keep quiet

 

[BeanE]

Since she ended up in Miami Beach, "fun in the sun" comes to my mind. MOO

It's been so long since I was her age I can't begin to think of what kids that age think is "cool".

I rarely watch TV so I'm not even familiar with the popular shows. Are there any shows for 20-somethings that glamorize Miami Beach?

She likes fashion. I wear tshirts and sweats and knit leggings. Not a clue if there's a fashion connection in Miami Beach.

Are there shows on MTV about Miami Beach?

I'm so lost on what the appeal would be.