AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #13

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Just a thought ... the Mexican border is only about 4 hrs away from SA. Provided EJ's one story wasn't actually untrue regarding the couple she allegedly gave him to, I could actually see this scenario truly happening. Couple illegally acquires the baby in the park or however it happened, then immediately take off for Mexico crossing the border before the case even really started making major news around the country and no one is none the wiser. LM didn't officially call the police til the text on the 27th of December ... if EJ gave the baby up to the couple right before she texted LM (to get him off her back since she originally stated to LE that she told him she'd killed GJ to get back at him and to have LM stop calling her), they would've had a major head-start getting out of the country completely unnoticed.

As an aside to this theory, TPS commented on one of her business pages last year that they had a timeshare in Mexico ... anyone know if LE has followed up on this? I haven't heard anything about Mexico even mentioned by NG or LE but if I were them, I would definitely check up on that ... maybe the couple was in on the deal with TPS and she his them there? I mean ... who would even THINK to look in Mexico, right? It's much easier to hide out in the US but I bet in Mexico, no one even knows about this case. Easy way to hide, but this is just my opinion.


I just checked Google maps, and Mexico is less than 200 miles from Tempe. If someone was going to take Gabriel to Mexico, why wouldn't EJ have headed straight south with the baby and maybe meet the couple in Tucson (about 100 miles away) or Nogales, AZ? I'm not disagreeing with you, more like thinking aloud, because I do think there is a possibility that they did head into Mexico. However, I also think that the reason that SA was chosen could be very significant, but I can't figure out why.
 
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Hi b4e,
Is there stuff being posted right now? I'm just trying to figure out what my BlackBerry FB limitations are. I'm not seeing anything but her wall posts from hours ago.

You can see posts other than Tammi's by switching from the default view to 'Just Fans'. People are posting fairly regularly. There is also a lively discussion going on under the Discussion tab. (Not sure if you can access that on a Blackberry.)

ETA: You can switch the views in the space directly above the top comment posted on the wall. There's a blue box around TPS/GJ - click on Just Fans (right next to it) to change the view.
 
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I just checked Google maps, and Mexico is less than 200 miles from Tempe. If someone was going to take Gabriel to Mexico, why wouldn't EJ have headed straight south with the baby and maybe meet the couple in Tucson (about 100 miles away) or Nogales, AZ? I'm not disagreeing with you, more like thinking aloud, because I do think there is a possibility that they did head into Mexico. However, I also think that the reason that SA was chosen could be very significant, but I can't figure out why.
I agree with you. Going to San Antonio first seems to be a round-about way of getting to Mexico, imo, when EJ was originally in Arizona. I don't think Gabriel is there, and if he's alive, most likely still in Texas. It's a big state with plenty of places to hide. MOO
 
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You can see posts other than Tammi's by switching from the default view to 'Just Fans'. People are posting fairly regularly. There is also a lively discussion going on under the Discussion tab. (Not sure if you can access that on a Blackberry.)

Thanks for the info. Looks like I am SOL on the BlackBerry as far as this goes. I will have to try to catch up tonight at home. :(
 
  • #89
Horn says investigators believe all the photographs were taken at a Home Gate Hotel and that the last two photos have a date stamp of December 26.
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/s...olve-missing-baby/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx

Re: the pics of Gabe in the hotel. I hadn't seen this snippet confirmed, so I'm sorry if it's a repost.

Does anyone else think it's odd that only two of the photo's are date stamped?
Were they taken seperately (i.e. some on a phone camera, some on regular camera)?
Maybe the date wasn't set to show, and EJ decided to set it so she could stamp the date on what would be her last pictures/moments with Gabe (one way or another).
Or maybe the date stamp was meant to throw someone off. (i.e. Gabe was with her on Dec. 26th, see, here's the pictures (date stamped) to prove it?)
ETA: You can set the date to whatever you want on most camera's.

I don't know, maybe it's nothing. Just caught my attention.
 
  • #90
Golly, that hasn't been reported by the main stream news. I hope this woman contacted LE asap. Any one who's had a private adoption recently, and adopted a baby boy around Gabriel's age should be in touch with LE. imo

This was reported by the main stream news, and was also investigated and debunked by LE. The woman from Wisconsin originally posted on this site: http://www.beckyhiggins.com

and the site owner completely talked about it here:
http://www.beckyhiggins.com/blog/labels/Baby Gabriel.html

Also, I hope no one minds if I quote my own post from page three:
The "Wisconsin Gabriel" was thoroughly covered by the local news here in AZ and several stations reported that LE completely ruled it out. I wish the tv stations would put more of their videos online so everyone in the country could know what's happening in the case, and so that I could give everyone a link. However, I don't have a link, but I definitely remember the debunking being reported by abc15.com, azfamily.com and kpho.com.
 
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That begs the question... How do we know she doesn't have a bunch more money sitting in an account somewhere, perhaps under an assumed name? Maybe the problem here is that EJ doesn't simply want to get out of the pokey... she wants to get out of the pokey and still be able to spend the money she made selling her child.

That is one alternative to the murder scenario that I think could explain EJ's failure to talk. Imagine she sells Gabriel and takes on a new identity as part of a plan (orchestrated by certain persons with experience in these matters). Delivery takes place in SA, money is deposited into an account with EJ carrying a smaller amount on her person for spending (she can withdraw more later), and she takes off for FL to explore a potential new life, under an assumed name.

She thinks she's in the clear now that Gabriel is delivered and the money is in the bank, but things start to unravel when she can't resist telling LM she killed Gabriel out of spite. LE involvement steps up and things get messy.

She didn't count on being caught. Now she has many thousands of dollars sitting in a bank account and she's sitting in jail. Her goal is to somehow get out of jail and get on with the show without blowing the plan wide open so she can still enjoy the money someday, and she's got others with a vested interest in the outcome helping her along. If Gabriel is found and the plot is exposed, the money is gone. She isn't too worried about the murder scenario because she knows he isn't dead and she believes she is unlikely to end up in prison for a murder that never happened, with no body and no evidence. So she goes with a distorted version of the truth, with enough red herrings thrown in by her and TS to make it nearly impossible to find Gabriel or to prove what happened, which makes it more likely that she will walk away a free woman with money in the bank... if not right away, then in the not too distant future. That's really her only hope at this point.

Maybe?

She went to SA for some reason. I don't believe EJ's actions were random at all, and so I am not ready to lean in the direction of Gabriel's murder.

Good theory

How about a promise of money to come after she gets settled? Now who would she trust that much to believe she'd actually get the money? And who would she protect now to make sure she got it? :waitasec:

As it is now, because she got caught, she's going to spend some time in jail no matter what happens. What are the charges for selling your baby anyway? Would they be the same or worse? So does she take others down with her and set the ball in motion to get Gabriel back. That would mean he would go back to the person she detests and she would still go to prison and get out eventually with nothing and because of her stupidy in getting caught, others would go down (perhaps the ones she expects to raise Gabriel?) too. Does she let things stand and take the full blame for this? Seems like a better plan. Would a murder charge change this?
 
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Does anyone else think it's odd that only two of the photo's are date stamped?
Were they taken seperately (i.e. some on a phone camera, some on regular camera)?
Maybe the date wasn't set to show, and EJ decided to set it so she could stamp the date on what would be her last pictures/moments with Gabe (one way or another).
Or maybe the date stamp was meant to throw someone off. (i.e. Gabe was with her on Dec. 26th, see, here's the pictures (date stamped) to prove it?
ETA: You can set the date to whatever you want on most camera's.

I don't know, maybe it's nothing. Just caught my attention.

I was kinda hoping it was anew camera she maybe got for Christmas. Maybe the date wasn't set to begin with, and one evening, sitting in a motel room, bored silly, she was playing with it and set the date....

I prefer NOT to think she did it to fool someone about when Gabriel was alive, because I want to believe he's STILL alive. Not to say you might not be right, I just don't want to believe it.
 
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On her Facebook TPS says something to the effect of EJ wants her baby back, too. You may not like her but she is Gabriel's mother. Yeah, his mother that handed off to total strangers (best case scenerio).
 
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I agree with you. Going to San Antonio first seems to be a round-about way of getting to Mexico, imo, when EJ was originally in Arizona. I don't think Gabriel is there, and if he's alive, most likely still in Texas. It's a big state with plenty of places to hide. MOO

One of the reasons I think EJ ended up in SA was because afaik, there's only two major routes from AZ to TX. EJ could have headed north to Flagstaff and then through NM to a city like Amarillo, TX, but I think Flagstaff was under a lot of snow at the time she was on the road. I don't think Grandpa's car was snow-worthy, so that could be one of the reasons she headed south, then east to Texas.

Then again, maybe there is more to SA than the weather, I admit I am completely puzzled on this part of her story. Heck, I admit that most of EJ's story has me puzzled.
 
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Does anyone else think it's odd that only two of the photo's are date stamped?
Were they taken seperately (i.e. some on a phone camera, some on regular camera)?
Maybe the date wasn't set to show, and EJ decided to set it so she could stamp the date on what would be her last pictures/moments with Gabe (one way or another).
Or maybe the date stamp was meant to throw someone off. (i.e. Gabe was with her on Dec. 26th, see, here's the pictures (date stamped) to prove it?
ETA: You can set the date to whatever you want on most camera's.

I don't know, maybe it's nothing. Just caught my attention.
"... that the last two photos have a date stamp of December 26."
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it doesn't say that all the others aren't date stamped, just that the last two were stamped (taken) on the 26th. :waitasec:
 
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Good theory

How about a promise of money to come after she gets settled? Now who would she trust that much to believe she'd actually get the money? And who would she protect now to make sure she got it? :waitasec:

As it is now, because she got caught, she's going to spend some time in jail no matter what happens. What are the charges for selling your baby anyway? Would they be the same or worse? So does she take others down with her and set the ball in motion to get Gabriel back. That would mean he would go back to the person she detests and she would still go to prison and get out eventually with nothing and because of her stupidy in getting caught, others would go down (perhaps the ones she expects to raise Gabriel?) too. Does she let things stand and take the full blame for this? Seems like a better plan. Would a murder charge change this?

good points
I was also thinking they were going to GIVE their home in Tennessee to her. Why else would Tammi mention that they were looking into having her stay there? The fact that the Smiths were looking at her staying in their home in TN concerns me because you guys mention their supposed home in Mexico. Maybe that is what they offered her? It should be checked, if it exists.

Also the connection to Janet Morris. I Just went to Tammi's facebook and there are posts from her friend "JH" posted in a post that "JJN" made. JH says that she is an old friend of Janets. JH is also an old friend of Tammi's!
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?v=feed&story_fbid=1256115174728&id=1585061919
 
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Someone on Tammi's FB page has published a link - to mamaeb's Websleuths blog!

Bumping......

Mamaeb, did you see this????
 
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It would still seem really interesting to me the route the bus took to get from SA to Fl.

The bus probably took I-10 from SA to FL. It seems the most logical route. Interstate 10 runs from Cali to FL, and includes going through SA.


http://www.ihoz.com/I10.html

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