AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #15

[BeanE]

The phone number matches all of the other craigslist ads that EJ was known to post --

Do you have a link that confirms the specific ads placed by Eliz? If so, it would help us to be able to post about about them without violating the rules.

TIA

 

[not_my_kids]

Wait, where's the news video that references the CL postings and even showed them on video? That would be confirmation that anything else linked that number is likely EJ's.

 

[BeanE]

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[Prof]

Aaahhh, okay. I am still having a little bit of a hard time with the who's who. I'm getting there.

I have found the owner in a people search, and I know it is her because her daughter is listed and they are the only ones that I can find in the SA area-- 2 listings -- she has many names that she has gone by -- I did find a listing for one of her names on the people search who is in the women's health field

 

[BeanE]

Wait, where's the news video that references the CL postings and even showed them on video? That would be confirmation that anything else linked that number is likely EJ's.

Oh wow I didn't know we had that on video! We need that link! lol

 

[time]

Well, someone, I think Prof asked this earlier about the person who appears to have the same phone number as EJ. I can't find anything definite connecting that phone number to her after 2006.)

 

[NewMommy09]

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[momtective]

Is there some reason we think this is EJ's ad? The phone number goes to a Tempe real estate agent.

Funny you should mention that AZLawyer...I posted about the woman early this morning.
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[NewMommy09]

I have copies of the email she supposedly sent to Tammi and the writing is the exact same...all lower case I's, no capitalization at the beginning of a sentence, etc.

Here's a snippet
i will never come forward, yes what i said was wrong but i wanted him to hurt like he hurt me so thats why i said all that. me and gabriel are fine, in fact great i just got a full time job under a fake name and the owner is very understanding of my situation, and is willing to hel...p me get new id's and stuff.

Compare to the ad
hi i am in need of a full time live in nanny so i can go back to work. i dont have any family to help me out with my 7 month baby. i can only provide free rent and free food. female wanted for the job. i myself am a single female. please call

Leads me to believe she was emailing from her cell pone.

The run on sentences, no caps, the greater importance she seems to put on herself (i.e. me and gabriel are fine, instead of Gabriel and I, or I myself am a single female). IMO, I feel this could be a match.

 

[katiemadonna]

Well, someone, I think Prof asked this earlier about the person who appears to have the same phone number as EJ. I can't find anything definite connecting that phone number to her after 2006. Perhaps she got out of the real estate business as I see one home she uploaded photos of in 2006 has still never sold! (map)

Could the RE agent have gotten a new phone # and her old one given to EJ when she bought a phone? Maybe it shows after 2006 she got the new # but it stills shows are hers on websites?

Hope I made this clear LOL

 

[BeanE]

Are we allowed to post emails and ads without links or substantiation now?

TIA

ETA: Because if so, I have a ton of them.

 

[NewMommy09]

http://johnhgohdecommentator.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/gabriels-nanny-lies-grace/

Article titled Gabriels Nanny lies on Nancy Grace

Just posting for reference for those asking about what the babysitter has lied about.

 

[OneLove]

The run on sentences, no caps, the greater importance she seems to put on herself (i.e. me and gabriel are fine, instead of Gabriel and I, or I myself am a single female). IMO, I do believe this is a match.

So WHY is she placing a nanny ad 3 days after she gave Gabe to the Smiths???

Maybe the night Gabe was found with the Smiths, Logan DID say clearly that he would do whatever he had to do to legally get his kid back.

At this point, in a moment of clarity rather than snit fit, EJ may have realized that Logan would probably end up with legal rights and she would have to stick around with Gabe and do what 'divorced' people with kids do. So she started preparing to get a job, etc.

Then as the time went by while Gabriel was with the Smiths, something convinced her that she could scheme to deny Logan his parental rights.:angel: All she had to do was get out of town for a little while while someone else told Logan if he wanted to know his son was ok, he'd sign away his rights. Didn't quite work out, did it?

Makes sense to me.

 

[ella971]

Maybe the night Gabe was found with the Smiths, Logan DID say clearly that he would do whatever he had to do to legally get his kid back.

At this point, in a moment of clarity rather than snit fit, EJ may have realized that Logan would probably end up with legal rights and she would have to stick around with Gabe and do what 'divorced' people with kids do. So she started preparing to get a job, etc.

Then as the time went by while Gabriel was with the Smiths, something convinced her that she could scheme to deny Logan his parental rights.:angel:

Makes sense to me.

I have a question... Would you call your ex and tell him what E said about baby?

 

[Prof]

Do you have a link that confirms the specific ads placed by Eliz? If so, it would help us to be able to post about about them without violating the rules.

TIA

I am looking for the video that flashed on these particular ads -- I am going to take an educated guess that the print media might not be able to post copies legally -- JMO

I do remember there is a video out there that flashed on these same ads

If anyone else remembers let me know, but I will find it -- I edited my original post to include the link that I do have at the moment

I will delete the post if Hoppy or another mod asks me to

for your convenience I have posted my edit below

Is there some reason we think this is EJ's ad? The phone number goes to a Tempe real estate agent.

The phone number matches all of the other craigslist ads that EJ was known to post *according to speculation as far as I have read --

I also remember a video media report that showed a copy of the ads on the video-- i will keep looking for that link

This print article states

Johnson had placed an ad on craigslist seeking a nanny to take the baby, according to the police report taken when she left the baby with the Smiths. Charges are pending from Tempe city prosecutors, according to the report.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149285

BBM and IMO the ad we are discussing matches this article by date -- Johnson had placed the ad before the police found the baby at the Smith's on the 9th or 10th of December

Another article that mentions the types of ads EJ placed on craigslist --
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2010/01/10/20100110missingbaby0110.html

"She posted multiple listings on Craigslist trying to raise money. She sold her dogs, took on a roommate and also offered to give away baby clothes. " http://www.kpho.com/news/22213153/detail.html

 

[momtective]

Are we allowed to post emails and ads without links or substantiation now?

TIA

ETA: Because if so, I have a ton of them.

Probably not...lol but I didn't post the entire email, just a snippit of it to compare to the ad. The ad, I have a link for...the email...huh-ah:no:
I removed the post.

 

[BeanE]

Probably not...lol but I didn't post the entire email, just a snippit of it to compare to the ad. The ad, I have a link for...the email...huh-ah:no:
I removed the post.

Okay I thought maybe it had changed for some of the specific stuff that's floating around.

 

[Prof]

The run on sentences, no caps, the greater importance she seems to put on herself (i.e. me and gabriel are fine, instead of Gabriel and I, or I myself am a single female). IMO, I do believe this is a match.

So WHY is she placing a nanny ad 3 days after she gave Gabe to the Smiths???

I believe she placed the ad before she gave the baby to the Smith's -- she placed the ad on the 8th of December IMO
Here is a link to one article that states the police report from the incident where EJ reported Gabriel missing states that she had placed an ad for a nanny


Johnson had placed an ad on craigslist seeking a nanny to take the baby, according to the police report taken when she left the baby with the Smiths. Charges are pending from Tempe city prosecutors, according to the report.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149285

 

[OneLove]

I have a question... Would you call your ex and tell him what E said about baby?

Ella, could you clarify that question a bit? I think I understand it, but don't want to answer until I'm sure.

 

[BeanE]

I believe she placed the ad before she gave the baby to the Smith's -- she placed the ad on the 8th of December IMO
Here is a link to one article that states the police report from the incident where EJ reported Gabriel missing states that she had placed an ad for a nanny


Johnson had placed an ad on craigslist seeking a nanny to take the baby, according to the police report taken when she left the baby with the Smiths. Charges are pending from Tempe city prosecutors, according to the report.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149285

She also called the Smiths on the 8th. What's unknown is which of those happened first.