AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #15

[OneLove]

Seriously? Having her nails done (or not), how would that effect anything?
And how is that going to bring home Gabriel?

Maybe it's important enough to get kicked for? :waitasec: Enlighten me

I kinda had the impression that maybe she was afraid he would show that they feel LE made it up or are elaborating on it just to make EJ look even worse than she is.

I think their true reasoning from the beginning was to defend EJ's position that she was ENTITLED to possession of her child and to deny the father his rights, and wanted to look at EJ as doing the NOBLE thing (yeah, right, giving him to a total unknown psycho in the park, pffft).

As the public tide has grown, they now realize that they aren't SUPPOSED to look like they support her (but they don't want to let go of that dog because of their own complicated history with what they think is the same thing, pfftt)

So Tammi went on high alert when she thought Jack might spill the beans and reveal that they felt EJ was being dealt a bum rap. ?? MOO MOO

 

[Prof]

OK, I just thought of some things.
Who here has pictures up of their holidays on facebook? As soon as we were done with christmas I had pictures up on mine

The smiths only started uploading christmas pictures on the 22nd. and have never added more
http://www.facebook.com/index.php?l...7079b8183&#/album.php?aid=33895&id=1585061919


why aren't there pictures of H.G opening presents, getting her santa gifts? Christmas dinner? IDK. I know because they saw santa that she believes in him. I know they celebrate Christmas because the album is titled "christmas 2009"
Did they possibly celebrate with someone they can not share pics of?


On picture #18 she says that HG was telling santa all she wanted for christmas was to get to keep her 'brother'


IDK something about these pictures are weird to me. the date they were uploaded... the absence of their christmas day pics

Good question! That is very odd -- were not the Smiths involved with LE before Christmas, though?

 

[mamaeb]

I still think Tammi has him. Somewhere. I have no proof. Just a gut feeling. It was Christmas. EJ was not going to come back. No matter what. The plan was not working out. I think she drove to SA on the 26th and got him. That is why the second room. Maybe during the night. EJ said she knows he is safe and alive. I don't think she is lying. I heard alot of confusion in her voice at the first interview while she was playing along with Tammi's story. She doesn't talk because she doesn't have the script! They both share the blame for this... I flop mostly between who deserves more blame....

I agree. That first interview... she acted like a snotty teen almost like "duh tammi, we know he's fine...why ask me, you know where he is too"

 

[OneLove]

I still think Tammi has him. Somewhere. I have no proof. Just a gut feeling. It was Christmas. EJ was not going to come back. No matter what. The plan was not working out. I think she drove to SA on the 26th and got him. That is why the second room. Maybe during the night. EJ said she knows he is safe and alive. I don't think she is lying. I heard alot of confusion in her voice at the first interview while she was playing along with Tammi's story. She doesn't talk because she doesn't have the script! They both share the blame for this... I flop mostly between who deserves more blame....

At this point, I really want to believe this, especially as I do believe that Tammi and Jack love Gabriel very much.

Its just that Gabriel already has parents: one that is unfit to parent and one that IS. That's a hard hard thing for TS and JS to accept, given that they had placed all their betting money on the wrong horse.

 

[OneLove]

Good question! That is very odd -- were not the Smiths involved with LE before Christmas, though?

I'd bet not to the point of being under surveillance yet though.

 

[redfish]

I truly believe these guys aren't in it up to their eyeballs, they are drowning in it!!

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Can someone bring me up to speed really quick please? Any charges on Tammi yet??

 

[OneLove]

tammi's close friend JH is on her page writing stuff about the babysitter and elizabeth
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?v=feed&story_fbid=1258320789867&id=1585061919

asking why she had pictures up in the hotel.. why make it home like
saying she thinks she was hooking.. thinks she is a psychopath and that she turns into someone else.


ok, if tammi's best friend is saying this, I have to assume we should look the entire opposite direction than anything she tries to feed us.


edit: the friend also said she stayed at motel 6! is she just not informed on this or is she spilling something we weren't supposed to know?

And if she says that they should turn the general prison population loose to beat answers out of her, does that mean she'd do that to her own friend if SHE is jailed for witholding information?

edited to add: is this what is called a 'frenemy'?

 

[mamaeb]

And if she says that they should turn the general prison population loose to beat answers out of her, does that mean she'd do that to her own friend if SHE is jailed for witholding information?

I know.. and she calls her the "egg donor" wonder if tammi calls her that

 

[OneLove]

I agree. That first interview... she acted like a snotty teen almost like "duh tammi, we know he's fine...why ask me, you know where he is too"

Yeah, just what I thought, snotty self-involved teen not really understandiing the strategy they were still playing.

OR true sociopath capable of much worse. Just dunno.

 

[Ives]

I know.. and she calls her the "egg donor" wonder if tammi calls her that

Maybe, TS was looking at serrogates, but TS is young and previously birthed children. I'm guessing her tubes are tied or emergency Histerectomy, due to complications, so the need to "adopt"??

Anyone know if the eggs can still be used if your tubes are tied? just curious.

On an O/T note, my sister informed me today, that haveing a C-section means you have a 50% chance of death on the table:waitasec: she is about to have her 5th child. I wonder why some people have children?? Good thing she has "beat the odds" 3 times :doh:

 

[OneLove]

Can someone bring me up to speed really quick please? Any charges on Tammi yet??

no charges, but lots of rotten tomatoes thrown:crazy:

 

[mamaeb]

Can someone bring me up to speed really quick please? Any charges on Tammi yet??

nope! boooo.
no updates from the court hearing this morning either.. that I have seen.
tammi and jack were on nancy grace tonight but were only shown for a few pointless questions.

 

[Ives]

Can someone bring me up to speed really quick please? Any charges on Tammi yet??

I believe that to be a big NO. :banghead:

 

[OneLove]

Maybe, TS was looking at serrogates, but TS is young and previously birthed children. I'm guessing her tubes are tied or emergency Histerectomy, due to complications, so the need to "adopt"??

Anyone know if the eggs can still be used if your tubes are tied? just curious.

On an O/T note, my sister informed me today, that haveing a C-section means you have a 50% chance of death on the table:waitasec: she is about to have her 5th child. I wonder why some people have children?? Good thing she has "beat the odds" 3 times :doh:

Do not for a MINUTE believe that statistic, unless there is a specific underlying prior complication that is known in advance. uh uh

edited to add: and even THEN, I don't believe that would be an accurate statistic

 

[PercyVeer]

I got the AOL thing twice too. Thought maybe I scrolled-over something inadvertently.
I want to thank everyone monitoring these social websites and pages! 1000 times over ! So much is coming out and it gives me hope that someone may ? have hidden Gabe.
I find today's info about a new page, and info about comments players have made to be so helpful. (prayers)
I am curious about churches and adoptions, I was reading about this before i joined WS. Strange stuff. Probably some of these groups do a lot of good.
At this point I wonder exactly when TS first had contact with EJ?
I am sure LE has all these timelines going. (Ai,What a mess.)
Could EJ have learned of TS wanting a baby when Gabe's dad was away at jail? LM and EJ discussed adoption before the angel was born, and I know the couple had challenges from the start, could they have looked into TS a long time ago?
I wonder a bit about the contact between TS and the babysitter, weird.
Was this cleared up? "a claim by a desk clerk that this babysitter was not the same babysitter in the room?"
Sad day, so hoped EJ court would bring news of the angel Baby Gabriel. peace to all.

 

[mamaeb]

Maybe, TS was looking at serrogates, but TS is young and previously birthed children. I'm guessing her tubes are tied or emergency Histerectomy, due to complications, so the need to "adopt"??

Anyone know if the eggs can still be used if your tubes are tied? just curious.

On an O/T note, my sister informed me today, that haveing a C-section means you have a 50% chance of death on the table:waitasec: she is about to have her 5th child. I wonder why some people have children?? Good thing she has "beat the odds" 3 times :doh:

yes she wrote on the surrogate site that she had an emergency hysterectomy 10 years ago

 

[not_my_kids]

I don't believe that Tammi and Jack loved him. They wanted him. They loved Gabriel the way I love my truck or the way I love my house. Not the way you love a child.
Just my opinion.

 

[Ives]

Do not for a MINUTE believe that statistic, unless there is a specific underlying prior complication that is known in advance. uh uh

edited to add: and even THEN, I don't believe that would be an accurate statistic

Oh, I don't, I tried to tell her otherwise, but apparently, her second epidural, since it only numbed half her body, is the reason she has complications. no matter that was one epi, and it was just placed wrong, and has nothing to do with futer epi's:banghead::waitasec:

 

[CHICANA]

I still think Tammi has him. Somewhere. I have no proof. Just a gut feeling. It was Christmas. EJ was not going to come back. No matter what. The plan was not working out. I think she drove to SA on the 26th and got him. That is why the second room. Maybe during the night. EJ said she knows he is safe and alive. I don't think she is lying. I heard alot of confusion in her voice at the first interview while she was playing along with Tammi's story. She doesn't talk because she doesn't have the script! They both share the blame for this... I flop mostly between who deserves more blame....

You don't think EJ would have rolled on Tammi by now ?

Is it possible that EJ is talking but doesn't know where Gabe is and LE is denying it so Tammi leads them to the baby ?

IDK, last night I was crying because I was sure he was dead, but there are so many spins on this that I'm not giving up all hope just yet.
I also get the feeling that TPS is throwing out false leads to deter the investigation.