AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #16

[panthera]

Well I mean when is the last time you saw that on a missing poster or even heard it come from LE about a missing child? It's always a possibility with any missing child but you don't normally hear it from LE. I think they may have evidence to support this.

I've seen speculation in other cases that the child might be dressed of the opposite sex, but I can't remember anything coming from LE before either. Now I too wonder if there's some information LE hasn't shared or if it's merely speculation? MOO

 

[Blue Ridge]

When did LE say there was a video? I must have missed that.

If I recall, didn't EJ tell TS that there was a video, then immediately LE completely denied it? It could be that there really IS one, but LE doesn't want it known at this time for their own reasons.

 

[not_my_kids]

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2010/01/24/20100124baby0124.html

Though the search for Gabriel Johnson continues, questions have turned to what happens to the missing baby's mother, Elizabeth, if the child is never found.

"We have to look at: Did Elizabeth kill Gabriel like she said she did?" said Sgt. Steve Carbajal, a Tempe Police spokesman.
~snip~
Investigators, including a team from Tempe, have searched dumpsters in San Antonio, where the child was last photographed. So far, there has been no luck in finding Gabriel or his body.

Sorry if it's a repost.

 

[not_my_kids]

If I recall, didn't EJ tell TS that there was a video, then immediately LE completely denied it? It could be that there really IS one, but LE doesn't want it known at this time for their own reasons.

Yeah, I caught my mistake and edited.

 

[TXHOPE]

I've seen speculation in other cases that the child might be dressed of the opposite sex, but I can't remember anything coming from LE before either. Now I too wonder if there's some information LE hasn't shared or if it's merely speculation? MOO

Well I kept wondering why Elizabeth would lie about her attys telling her they have a video of a couple leaving with Gabriel. Why would she lie about that when LE would obviously say "uh..no we don't" if they didn't. Maybe they do have video of a couple leaving the motel with a baby but that baby is a girl and they can't tell if it's Gabriel and maybe that is what her attys were talking about when they told her there is a video of a couple leaving with a baby. Pure speculation I know but this has been on my mind.

 

[not_my_kids]

Well I kept wondering why Elizabeth would lie about her attys telling her they have a video of a couple leaving with Gabriel. Why would she lie about that when LE would obviously say "uh..no we don't" if they didn't. Maybe they do have video of a couple leaving the motel with a baby but that baby is a girl and they can't tell if it's Gabriel and maybe that is what her attys were talking about when they told her there is a video of a couple leaving with a baby. Pure speculation I know but this has been on my mind.

I know why she'd lie about pretty much anything or everything: Muddy The Waters. MOO

 

[panthera]

Well I kept wondering why Elizabeth would lie about her attys telling her they have a video of a couple leaving with Gabriel. Why would she lie about that when LE would obviously say "uh..no we don't" if they didn't. Maybe they do have video of a couple leaving the motel with a baby but that baby is a girl and they can't tell if it's Gabriel and maybe that is what her attys were talking about when they told her there is a video of a couple leaving with a baby. Pure speculation I know but this has been on my mind.

For one thing, I'd think there could be surveillance videocameras at least in the parking lot, and if EJ was involved with illegally adopting out Gabriel inside the hotel room, it wouldn't come as a surprise if he was dressed as a girl when he was taken out of there. But I'd also think if there is video in the parking lot, there would be a description of the car these people got into ~ if they exist. It's only speculation on my part also as to why LE thinks this is a possibility. MOO

 

[TXHOPE]

I know why she'd lie about pretty much anything or everything: Muddy The Waters. MOO

True and if they do have video of a baby girl it could be just that ...a baby girl not Gabriel but there's a chance right? :waitasec:

 

[ella971]

For one thing, I'd think there could be surveillance videocameras at least in the parking lot, and if EJ was involved with illegally adopting out Gabriel inside the hotel room, it wouldn't come as a surprise if he was dressed as a girl when he was taken out of there. But I'd also think if there is video in the parking lot, there would be a description of the car these people got into ~ if they exist. It's only speculation on my part also as to why LE thinks this is a possibility. MOO

I was in Chapel Hill N.C. at a Days Inn and was happy to see cameras all over the parking lot the drink and ice vending machines and of course the lobby.

 

[not_my_kids]

I don't doubt for a minute that there are cameras, what I do doubt is that the footage was even attainable by the time they were looking for it. Surveillance cameras typically record on a loop, just reusing the same tape over and over. By the time she was arrested and they narrowed down the hotel from the pics on her camera, I doubt there was any footage of that day left.

 

[BeanE]

I wish Logan or anyone from his family would go on Nancy Grace and plea for his return. I know she's probably not their favorite person because she always seems to push the negative but that's who's providing the most coverage and if someone does have him they could be watching her show for updates.

The reward does need to be raised. How is that usually done? Donations?

Logan seems to be working very closely with LE, and it's been in a few news articles that LE has told him not to speak out.

Because they have the FBI Behavioral Analysts involved, I'm thinking those analysts have determined the best things to say and not say on TV to best ensure Gabriel's safety.

But... I'm not an expert. Just a guess.

 

[panthera]

I don't doubt for a minute that there are cameras, what I do doubt is that the footage was even attainable by the time they were looking for it. Surveillance cameras typically record on a loop, just reusing the same tape over and over. By the time she was arrested and they narrowed down the hotel from the pics on her camera, I doubt there was any footage of that day left.

You're right. And it definitely would depend what type of surveillance they're using and how long the tapes are kept. Some places keep them for 30 days though. MOO

 

[BeanE]

Do you think the flyer should also state that he was last seen in San Antonio?

I hope everyone will use the new poster the family has published and requested to be used. I posted the links earlier.

 

[BeanE]

BeanE, I can't get the link to work for me...:waitasec: what am I doing wrong?

You have to be logged in to Google to access that link. I also posted the link to the family's new poster on their FB for Gabe.

I'll add the links to my WS blog and signature in a couple minutes.

I tried to upload the poster to Docstoc and I don't know what I'm doing wrong but it won't upload. If anybody knows how to do that or to load it up to another file storage site and post the link it would be great.

 

[not_my_kids]

I'm actually going to correct myself, as I am not sure when they realized what hotel she had been at. I recall the County Attorney saying that she was located in San Antonio and then arrested in Miami. So, they may have been right on her heels in SA and been able to get the footage from that day. As for what it may or may not show, I have no clue there. I think if there was a couple with a baby that LE could reasonably assume was Gabe, they would have their descriptions plastered everywhere, but I could be wrong.

 

[BeanE]

The link didn't work for me either. But this is available at the facebook group Logan's family is running. Maybe I can post it from photobucket and people can save image as.

I don't think that's the new one, NM. The new one is this one:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?p...al&view=global&subj=251236072296&id=506740741

 

[panthera]

I'm actually going to correct myself, as I am not sure when they realized what hotel she had been at. I recall the County Attorney saying that she was located in San Antonio and then arrested in Miami. So, they may have been right on her heels in SA and been able to get the footage from that day. As for what it may or may not show, I have no clue there. I think if there was a couple with a baby that LE could reasonably assume was Gabe, they would have their descriptions plastered everywhere, but I could be wrong.

I'm rethinking this too. If there was parking lot video of a couple leaving their car without a baby and returning to the car with one, I'm sure LE would be all over that. If Gabriel was handed off I'm thinking it wasn't inside the hotel or they don't have any surveillance tape. MOO

 

[not_my_kids]

I am going to float an off the wall scenario. Please bear with me, as I have a bad case of mental clutter.

What if the couple that took Gabe (providing they exist) are convincing themselves that they don't have the same baby, because they never saw EJ? What if she left him in the car, emailed them instructions and they just picked him up from the unlocked car and took off? They never even had to see her, and they could easily tell themselves that the baby on the news is not their baby. I know it's ridiculous, but at this point, what isn't?
If there is a couple, they have to be justifying this somehow.
EJ could also use this as a justification and even to beat a lie detector. She would have no idea who had him or where they took him.
I don't know if she would think that far ahead.

 

[Prof]

I am going to float an off the wall scenario. Please bear with me, as I have a bad case of mental clutter.

What if the couple that took Gabe (providing they exist) are convincing themselves that they don't have the same baby, because they never saw EJ? What if she left him in the car, emailed them instructions and they just picked him up from the unlocked car and took off? They never even had to see her, and they could easily tell themselves that the baby on the news is not their baby. I know it's ridiculous, but at this point, what isn't?
If there is a couple, they have to be justifying this somehow.
EJ could also use this as a justification and even to beat a lie detector. She would have no idea who had him or where they took him.
I don't know if she would think that far ahead.

I don't think this is that far fetched, and I also still think that a go-between of some sort is possible

 

[NewMommy09]

I don't think that's the new one, NM. The new one is this one:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?p...al&view=global&subj=251236072296&id=506740741

Thank You. Sorry about that, I don't know how I ended up with the wrong one.
Here's the PhotoBucket image in case anyone needs to save it that way.