AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #5

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  • #501
BREAKING NEWS! BOMBSHELL TONIGHT!

Paraphrased --

Polygraph tests are back! "inconclusive!"

TammiJack was told that if they were lying, it would read "lie" The polygraph results came out in the press Conference this afternoon as "Inconclusive"..They were told that if they "Lied", it would say we didn't tell the truth! But if they didn't lie, it would say "inconclusive!"..They understood the results are going to be that way because their feelings are involved and it will pick that up through the Autonomic Ner...vous System! But they are still going to be on Nancy Grace tonight regardless!

It came out in the press conference this afternoon???
How come we haven't seen it yet? What's wrong with the news stations in Arizona, don't they know we expect them to livestream everything online for us? At the very least a video should be up on their website by now.
 
  • #502
Or without regards for anyting but getting their faces in front of the camera and
trying to make everybody think they were duped by a 23 year old mastermind.

JMO of course.
 
  • #503
I think the inconclusive results is because of what LE has been saying all along, they know more then they are saying. I think they sent EJ to San Antonio, probably even gave her the GPS to find the way and all around know much more then they are saying. As someone said earlier, they might not know who has the baby but they know how the baby got to San Antonio.

IMO they knew there was a deal going on there and they helped her to get there but they didn't know the details. Good "underground" helpers usually don't give out that kind of info I would suppose. Helps them to stay...well...underground?
 
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  • #505
It came out in the press conference this afternoon???
How come we haven't seen it yet? What's wrong with the news stations in Arizona, don't they know we expect them to livestream everything online for us? At the very least a video should be up on their website by now.

Well first someone has to write it and then the rest have to copy and paste. Takes time I guess. :waitasec:
 
  • #506
Inconclusive on a LD: usually means they can't tell if they were lying or not...
 
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Does NG pay for "exclusive" interviews such as she has been doing with the Smith's?

P.S. How can something be EXCLUSIVE if everyone has had a turn?
Kinda like a door knob ya know?
 
  • #509
Or without regards for anyting but getting their faces in front of the camera and
trying to make everybody think they were duped by a 23 year old mastermind.

JMO of course.

Or regardless if they are being hauled back downtown after the show for more questioning since their tests were "inconclusive".

So, I guess BOTH of them got "inconclusive"? Sounds like TammiJack got the impression that there were only two possible outcomes: Lying or Inconclusive --

What ever happened to "Passed"?
 
  • #510
has LE posted anything regarding their promised press conference today? Do we know why it wasn't held, or if it's rescheduled, or what?

TIA
 
  • #511
Does NG pay for "exclusive" interviews such as she has been doing with the Smith's?

P.S. How can something be EXCLUSIVE if everyone has had a turn?
Kinda like a door knob ya know?

The NG show loves words like EXCLUSIVE, BOMBSHELL TONIGHT...
Even tho it's not exclusive and a lot of times it is the same info she
covered for a week prior.
Drove me nuts with the CA case. Always a bombshell, always news
she had reported days before.
:waitasec:
 
  • #512
Inconclusive on a LD: usually means they can't tell if they were lying or not...

And I am going to PIZZED if NG does not have someone on that knows all about lie detectors and what this means! And how their "feelings" about the case can change the results. If (which i am sre she will) have someone on she better let them speak and not cut them off like she did Mark Klaas the other night!
 
  • #513
Exactly what purpose does it serve to have the Smiths back on NG, when they (the Smiths) are not going on there for the sake of baby Gabe... they seem to be more about self-promotion.

For once I want to hear that NG went off on these 2... Nancy dislikes parents that don't take care of their kids, surely someone has to inform her of Tammi dropping the ball in regards of her bio kids and giving them up to to be with JS.
 
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http://www.azfamily.com/home/related/Elizabeth-Johnsons-initial-court-appearance-81147937.html
Elizabeth Johnson first court appearance in Maricopa County Superior Court, 1-11-2010.
KEY: EJ is Elizabeth Johnson, defendant.
Judge is the judge hearing the case.
AW is Arabella Whitney, County Attorney.
Judge: Johnson. Would you come forward, please? Would you, uh, state your name and dae of birth?
EJ: Elizabeth Johnson. 7-24-86.
Judge: Alright, Ma’am. You’ve been arrested on a direct complaint warrant alleging custodial interference, a class 4 felony. You’ve also been arrested on new charges, alleging, uh, child, uh, abuse, a class 2 felony and one count of kidnapping a class 2 felony. I’m going to appoint the public defender to represent you, and, uh, do the state wish to be heard?
AW : Yes, Your Honor. Good morning, Arabella Whitney for the state. Your Honor, in this case, the state is requesting that the defendant be held on a one million dollar cash only bond. The defendant in this case is currently facing charges of kidnapping, a class 2 dangerous crime against children, child abuse and custodial interference. Your Honor, while these are the only charges that the defendant is currently facing, there is a real potential that she could face more serious charges in the future. This is because in her own words, she stated that she killed Gabriel. Your Honor, I just want to briefly touch on the facts in this case which warrant a high bond. Your Honor, on December 11th of 2009, the defendant and Logan McQueary, the parents of Gabriel, met with Judge McVeigh (SP) in Family Court. At this time, they both agreed that they would share joint custody of their son, Gabriel. On December 27th, 2009, the date that Logan was supposed to get Gabriel from the defendant, he received a text message from her, stating that Gabriel was dead. In a subsequent conversation with Logan, the defendant told, the defendant told Logan that she had killed Gabriel, that she had put him in a diaper bag and thrown him in the dumpster. Your Honor, I do want to point out that the defendant in this case has also admitted, through a media interview that she did send that text message to Logan, stating that Gabriel was dead.
Judge: I’m sorry. Through a what?
AW: Through a text message. She admitted that she sent the text message to Logan, saying that Gabriel was dead.
Judge: And she admitted that to?
AW: In a media interview.
Judge: Media interview. Thank you.
AW: Yes. Your Honor, after the conversation with Logan, where she told him that she put him in a diaper bag and threw him in a dumpster, she told him that she was not going to tell him Gabriel’s location until she was out of the country and in a safe location. From this point, the search for the defendant and Gabriel ensued. The defendant refused to tell investigators, or Logan, where she was located and investigators began a nationwide search. If it weren’t for the hard work of the Tempe police department and the FBI in this case, the defendant would probably still be on the run. She did everything she could to conceal her identity. She paid in cash and she used a different name, a false name. Your Honor, if the defendant in this case gets out of custody there is no question that sh, she’s a flight risk. Not only are the facts of this case, the fact that she has, she has already fled, raised a risk for her flight, but the fact that she knows that she is currently facing higher charges in this case because Gabriel can’t be found. Your Honor, one of the most important reasons that she is deserving of the million dollar cash bond is the danger that she poses. To this date, Gabriel has not been found. The search for him is still on. The defendant is the only person that knows where Gabriel is and if he is dead or alive, and she refuses to cooperate and tell anyone where Gabriel is. Your Honor, there’s two victims in this case, Logan McQueary, Gabriel’s father, and eight month old Gabriel. And I want to point out the harm that is caused to both of those people in this case. The defendant took Gabriel from his father, concealed him, ran to Texas and somewhere in Texas, says she left Gabriel with strangers and/or killed him. We have no idea the harm that Gabriel has suffered or is continuing to suffer in this case, because the defendant refuses to tell anyone where he is or if he is dead or alive. And there is a real possibility, that Gabriel is not alive to this date. He may be dead, he may be alive, and if he is alive, there is no telling the danger that he is currently in. And this is all because of the defendant. Your Honor, the charges that the defendant is facing in this case, the fact that she is an extreme flight risk, the danger that she poses and the harm to the victims in this case, all warrant a bind of a million dollars, cash only. Thank you.
Judge: Alright, thank you. And she was, uh, apprehended in Texas?
AW: In Miami, Your Honor.
Judge: In Miami.
AW: She was actually, she was located in Texas, but she wasn’t found until she had made it to Miami.
Judge: Alright. Uh, ma’am, I have appointed the public defender to represent you. I noted you shaking your head and disagreeing with the comments of the
EJ: Yes. Everything she was saying was completely false.
[EJ talking over the judge]
Judge: Please do not interrupt. I, uh, I noted that you were disagreeing by nodding, er, by shaking your head back and forth with comments made by the county attorney at various, uh, times during her statement. Uh, while I recognize that you may have a different view of, uh, of what was said, um, I’m gonna urge you to, uh, urge or ask you to not make any statements here this morning, uh, given that you have been appointed an attorney and obviously that attorney is not present. Um, that said, if you elect to cooperate and, and, and talk to people, that, that is up to you, but understand that anything can, you say in here is, is, um, may be used against you. This is all being recorded. All that said, is there anything you want to ask me or tell me?
EJ: Um, ask you? I don’t really know what to say, but everything is so false, from the fleeing to everything that she said is so completely false. I
Judge: Alright.
EJ: I don’t know what else to say, but that.
Judge: Alright. Very well. Thank you. Um, I have reviewed the Form Fours, I’ve, uh, considered the, uh, statements of the state and the, the recommendation made by the county attorney, and given the gravity, uh, of the, of this case and the serious, very serious allegations, as well as the concerns for the continued welfare of this child, uh, it is ordered setting a million only bond of a million dollars. Uh, that million, uh, how, there are actually, uh, two different cases at this point. Are they on the same case number?
AW: Your Honor, I do not believe that they are.
Judge: They’re not.
AW: They are not, Your Honor. The direct complaint does have a different case number. I believe she, the charges that will go forward from this point are the new case number that she’s just been page 2’ed on.
Judge: Alright. Well, I, I, I’m going to set a million dollar cash only bond, uh, as you’ve recommended. That said, I don’t want to set a million dollars cash only in both cases. Um, [audio cuts out]
Judge: Well, if number 26 on our calendar gets, does not get pursued by the, uh, by the, by the state, then only the one bond will apply?
AW: Yes, Your Honor. And number 26, at this point, that would be the custodial interference?
Judge: Right.
AW: That only is not, that one will not be pursued. It’s going to be the new, new charges.
Judge: Alright. You’re not making it, you’re not withdrawing it at this time?
AW: We’re not withdrawing it at this time, no.
Judge: Alright. Alright, I’m going to set a million dollars cash only bond with respect to, uh, number 27 on the calendar.
Judge: The other matter, being a class 4 and the court being advised that the, uh, the state will likely be proceeding under number 26 alone, uh, it’s ordered setting, um, a hundred thousand dollar cash only bond as to that case.
Judge: So at this point, there’s a million, one hundred thousand dollar cash only bond. Um, in these two cases.
[Audio cuts out]
Judge: And, uh, we’re going to set these matters in the Regional Court Center in the Southeast Facility. Uh, and my clerk will give you the paperwork. You’re going to need date time and location of those hearings. Should you post these bonds, uh, you are not to leave this jurisdiction. You’re not to have, uh, any contact with the father, and um, is there anything else?
AW: Not from the state. Thank you, Your Honor.
Judge: Alright. Thank you. Thank you, ma’am.
EJ: When do I get a lawyer?
Judge: I’m sorry.
EJ: When do I get a lawyer? I don’t understand.
Judge: You’re appointed a lawyer now. We’re going to give you instructions on how to contact your lawyer.
EJ: Okay.
Judge: Thank you.
End of tape.

(I'm sorry, it's 6 pages long and the kids have been up and about. :))
 
  • #517
Exactly what purpose does it serve to have the Smiths back on NG, when they (the Smiths) are not going on there for the sake of baby Gabe... they seem to be more about self-promotion.

For once I want to hear that NG went off on these 2... Nancy dislikes parents that don't take care of their kids, surely someone has to inform her of Tammi dropping the ball in regards of her bio kids and giving them up to to be with JS.

perhaps someone from here could email NG ... seems to me she relies on second-hand info, hearsay, gossip, innuendo, speculation etc. for all her shows anyway
 
  • #518
It came out in the press conference this afternoon???
How come we haven't seen it yet? What's wrong with the news stations in Arizona, don't they know we expect them to livestream everything online for us? At the very least a video should be up on their website by now.

When it came time for the press conference at 1 pm, I hopped from station to station to station, hoping one of the Phoenix channels would carry it, but I guess they had already planned to pre-empt a lot of their programming when the governor gave her speech at 2 pm.
(I didn't watch tv long enough to see if the stations did carry her speech, that's just what I'm assuming from the way things are usually done in Phoenix.)
 
  • #519
There are several factors that could cause the results of a polygraph examination to be rendered as “Inconclusive”.
Some of these factors include improper question formulation based on bad case facts. The lack of fear by the examinee of getting caught in a lie is sometimes a reason for this result. The issue of little or no consequences is another contributing factor that has to be addressed.

There are several factors that could cause the results of a polygraph examination to be rendered as “Inconclusive”.
 
  • #520
http://patc.com/weeklyarticles/polygraph.shtml

Inconclusive Polygraph Results-Why?

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Well, the answers to those questions are “No”. Just because an individual’s test results were rendered as “Inconclusive” or “No Opinion” doesn’t mean that the individual is lying or telling the truth. In fact the examinee may be doing some of both

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