AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #7

[Ransom]

Why did momster need a babysitter at the hotel? And, did the night clerk say momster came to the desk in the middle of the night for milk? They keep milk at the hotel desk??

Also, is Logans father a police officer? In Tempe?

Logan's dad is Phoenix LE.
A hotel keeps milk in the frig in the restaurant, not at the desk EXCEPT at HomeGate Suites on San Pedro (san antonio) they don't have a restaurant???? Was this the other hotel by Fiesta Texas????? I think I'm confused?

http://www.homegatesuitessa.com/html/facts.html

 

[Kateyes]

Bratlings - TS said tonight on the NG show that she walked up to her and asked EJ what she was going to do with the baby, or similar words. TS has said several times while on NG that she met EJ at an airport, and she said it again tonight. The rest of the theory is MOO. I will try to find the transcript of NG although I don't think the show from 1/13 is transcribed yet. And, I sometimes have trouble downloading the transcripts. But to the best of my memory it was at the airport the TS said she met EJ and the baby. I am going from memory on tonight's NG show, but I do recall her saying that. And that she has a lot of gall to interject herself that way is also JMHO.

 

[Bratlings]

Bratlings - TS said tonight on the NG show that she walked up to her and asked EJ what she was going to do with the baby, or similar words. TS has said several times while on NG that she met EJ at an airport, and she said it again tonight. The rest of the theory is MOO. I will try to find the transcript of NG although I don't think the show from 1/13 is transcribed yet. And, I sometimes have trouble downloading the transcripts. But to the best of my memory it was at the airport the TS said she met EJ and the baby. I am going from memory on tonight's NG show, but I do recall her saying that. And that she has a lot of gall to interject herself that way is also JMHO.

That was a paraphrased version of it. She told it another way with more details before. One where she claimed EJ was crying and she asked if her if she was ok and EJ said that her bf had ruined her life etc etc. She did not just walk up to her and say that.

 

[PercyVeer]

You are such a hoot... just for that you get a BananaLama


:bananalama:

Thanks a million, time ! Nice Llama it is cold and windy here and his fur is warm ! I hope the little angel is warm and safe, Dang TayJay enterprises, and Ej and Atty., tell us the dang truth and bring the baby home !

 

[Bratlings]

Thanks a million, time ! Nice Llama it is cold and windy here and his fur is warm ! I hope the little angel is warm and safe, Dang TayJay enterprises, and Ej and Atty., tell us the dang truth and bring the baby home !

What is TayJay? BTW much has been made about TS graduating her colonics stuff in TX but I read on her FB that it was in CA and that was from last year. Posted before this fiasco.

 

[~PrinceSSa~]

Some hotels provide a list of babysitters. I think the babysitter got in touch with Yanni, Yami, whatever, and she called Tammi?? It's probably a lie, anyway. Tammi is a very good liar. MOO

Then how did Tammi even know about this babysitter or why make up a story about a fake babysitter?? oh wait........please tell me it's not ZANNY !! :banghead:

 

[PercyVeer]

What is TayJay? BTW much has been made about TS graduating her colonics stuff in TX but I read on her FB that it was in CA and that was from last year. Posted before this fiasco.

TayJay is my joke name for TS and JS Inc. or whatever their business names are/is ! IIRC she has five clinics? I have a dear friend who has undergone repeated cleansing recently, and she looks like a skeleton of her former self. Actually, she looks ill, IMO. Sure, she lost weight, but I am concerned about repeat treatments being dangerous for health. Bacteria are our friends, at least in the colon ! We would die without them ! (Cite:medical experience)But regarding this case, I am still of a strange opinion that the clinics should be investigated for other quasi-medical procedures, and that TayJay should be investigated regarding business dealings, re: conception and pregnancy. Could this be the straw that breaks a baby-transporting camel's back?

 

[Prof]

As someone who has been in the adoption world for years and who researches agency's, adoption professionals, scammers and yes, potential adoptive parents.
I have seen my share of what we call PAP's who submit false homestudy's because they were able to find the forms on line, and for the most part they would get caught if a smart adoption professional checked with the social worker who supposedly did the h/s.

I can picture EJ meeting up with a couple and them walking away with the baby. BUT, she had to have been introduced to them in some way shape or form. She had to have found out about TX and their laws.

What puzzles me is her need for new identity, was it so she had something that would match a new birth certificate for GJ? She was literally wanting this little guy to disappear out of spite??? or, was it an unethical adoption professional who heard her story and said oh we can help with that, this is what we can do for you, because in your case the law might not be enough to protect your son.

Last night I was thinking,,where would an adoption professional get a birth certificate? When you do private adoptions today, mom fills out the BC at the Hosp. she puts down a name and fills in all the info. when there is a final adoption, then the first BC get filed and sealed in court records and then there is an amended one that has the adoptive parents name on it (even though I am a mom through adoption, I do not like this process, I see it as false documentation),,,,,,,,,,in private adoption, it is easy for the new family, and that adoption professional to get a copy of it. We have a copy of our daughters, but it is for them, not us. And their parents gave it to us.

What do you think?

We don't really have any statements from LE on the fake ID as far as I know
--when I saw the interview of the hotel front desk guy I frankly was not convinced -- it seems that he did not remember EG right away and he was not that confident --he thought it was a TX id, but did not specifically say it was a TX id (why is there no record?? I am always asked for ID and a car plate number when I check in a motel or a hotel)-- IDK he just did not come across that credible
On the other hand, EJ is not credible either, so IDK but she says that she did not get a fake ID

I agree that this fake ID is worrisome though--why would she need it at this point--sure she might need one if she is on the run, but TX? where she knows she is leaving her gramps car?

 

[Bratlings]

TayJay is my joke name for TS and JS Inc. or whatever their business names are/is ! IIRC she has five clinics? I have a dear friend who has undergone repeated cleansing recently, and she looks like a skeleton of her former self. Actually, she looks ill, IMO. Sure, she lost weight, but I am concerned about repeat treatments being dangerous for health. Bacteria are our friends, at least in the colon ! We would die without them ! (Cite:medical experience)But regarding this case, I am still of a strange opinion that the clinics should be investigated for other quasi-medical procedures, and that TayJay should be investigated regarding business dealings, re: conception and pregnancy. Could this be the straw that breaks a baby-transporting camel's back?

I agree with you on this colon cleansing ridiculousness. I have heard and read studies that say it is unnecessary, unhealthy and can even be dangerous. I wonder though how it would facilitate weight loss? It really has nothing to do with what you eat and burning calories. Unless you are counting a pound here or there for excrement? I think the focus should be on EJ and where she left her baby. EJ is no victim here but by all the accusations of the Smith's going on you would certainly think so! No need to unnecessarily ruin these peoples lives, they are licensed by the State of AZ I assume so authorities already know what is going on there. Wouldnt it be a shame if in the end LE admits they really were innocent parties to this except for their over zealousness to adopt Gabriel?

 

[time]

Thanks a million, time ! Nice Llama it is cold and windy here and his fur is warm ! I hope the little angel is warm and safe, Dang TayJay enterprises, and Ej and Atty., tell us the dang truth and bring the baby home !

I second that emotion

 

[time]

We don't really have any statements from LE on the fake ID as far as I know
--when I saw the interview of the hotel front desk guy I frankly was not convinced -- it seems that he did not remember EG right away and he was not that confident --he thought it was a TX id, but did not specifically say it was a TX id (why is there no record?? I am always asked for ID and a car plate number when I check in a motel or a hotel)-- IDK he just did not come across that credible
On the other hand, EJ is not credible either, so IDK but she says that she did not get a fake ID

I agree that this fake ID is worrisome though--why would she need it at this point--sure she might need one if she is on the run, but TX? where she knows she is leaving her gramps car?

Who is IDK?


just joking

 

[PercyVeer]

I agree with you on this colon cleansing ridiculousness. I have heard and read studies that say it is unnecessary, unhealthy and can even be dangerous. I wonder though how it would facilitate weight loss? It really has nothing to do with what you eat and burning calories. Unless you are counting a pound here or there for excrement? I think the focus should be on EJ and where she left her baby. EJ is no victim here but by all the accusations of the Smith's going on you would certainly think so! No need to unnecessarily ruin these peoples lives, they are licensed by the State of AZ I assume so authorities already know what is going on there. Wouldnt it be a shame if in the end LE admits they really were innocent parties to this except for their over zealousness to adopt Gabriel?

Thanks, Bratlings. It truly is a shame when rumor and Intenet talks destroy people's lives. I am not happy with the ads this TS took out regarding babies, as stated in earlier threads, and I am shocked at the way she is changing her story on national tv as we have discussed here. I do not know what her involvement is in this mess, but I have a sinking feeling she is more involved with baby adoption than Gabe and his Mom and Dad. My greatest hope is that EJ will fess up any moment now would be fine ! Blessings to the family, may Gabe be found when I log back in! G'Night !

 

[Ransom]

What is TayJay? BTW much has been made about TS graduating her colonics stuff in TX but I read on her FB that it was in CA and that was from last year. Posted before this fiasco.

I keep asking what is TayJay and I don't get it either. No one is answering. (ETA: read back to the "joke".. got it)

BTW: read
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149469

The International Association of Colon Hydrotherapists certified Tammi Smith of Scottsdale, who was named a person of interest in the search for Gabriel Johnson.

THE only IACT is in San Antonio regardless of what Tammi says on her FB.
http://www.i-act.org/
IF you can find one in CA., please post it. TIA.

 

[Prof]

Brat, sorry I cannot find your original post because I left to find an answer for it lol
You were stating that TS got certified in CA and that is true, but after that in 2007 she got certified in SA ---Kamille provided us with the info today here
[ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4675679#post4675679"]AZ-Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, missing since 12-26-09 thread #7 - Page 19 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

oops it is right up there lol at post 705

Niteall!

 

[Prof]

I keep asking what is TayJay and I don't get it either. No one is answering.

BTW: read
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149469

The International Association of Colon Hydrotherapists certified Tammi Smith of Scottsdale, who was named a person of interest in the search for Gabriel Johnson.

THE only IACT is in San Antonio regardless of what Tammi says on her FB.
http://www.i-act.org/
IF you can find one in CA., please post it. TIA.

I saw someone answer as I just came in to skim what I missed -- the answer was TayJay is TammiJack

 

[Bratlings]

I keep asking what is TayJay and I don't get it either. No one is answering. (ETA: read back to the "joke".. got it)

BTW: read
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149469

The International Association of Colon Hydrotherapists certified Tammi Smith of Scottsdale, who was named a person of interest in the search for Gabriel Johnson.

THE only IACT is in San Antonio regardless of what Tammi says on her FB.
http://www.i-act.org/
IF you can find one in CA., please post it. TIA.

They have schools in several States. One is in California! That is where she claims she graduated from, why should we not believe that?

http://www.i-act.org/schoollist.html

 

[Prof]

He should read his wife's website...


January of 2005 - Certified on the Hydro San Plus - Colon Hydro Therapy Machine


April of 2005 – Certified as a Colon Hydro Therapist through the American Institute of Natural Health of California


April of 2007 – Level 3-Advanced Certified in Colon Hydro Therapy, Parasitology and Colon Implantation, through the International School of Colon Hydro Therapy, INC. in Juno Beach, Florida


May of 2007 – Level 3-Advanced Certified in Colon Hydro Therapy through I-ACT
International Association for Colon Hydro Therapy in San Antonio, Texas

http://www.healingwatersaz.com/Credentials.html

Bumping up for the all nighters :dance:

 

[Bratlings]

I keep asking what is TayJay and I don't get it either. No one is answering. (ETA: read back to the "joke".. got it)

BTW: read
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149469

The International Association of Colon Hydrotherapists certified Tammi Smith of Scottsdale, who was named a person of interest in the search for Gabriel Johnson.

THE only IACT is in San Antonio regardless of what Tammi says on her FB.
http://www.i-act.org/
IF you can find one in CA., please post it. TIA.

I understand that is where their offices are but has anyone contacted them to ask if a person must travel there to be certified? The certification from what I can tell from their website is based upon a 2 hour test. I know many organizations offer those in other States a couple times of year regardless of where their offices are.

 

[DairyGirl]

I agree with you on this colon cleansing ridiculousness. I have heard and read studies that say it is unnecessary, unhealthy and can even be dangerous. I wonder though how it would facilitate weight loss? It really has nothing to do with what you eat and burning calories. Unless you are counting a pound here or there for excrement? I think the focus should be on EJ and where she left her baby. EJ is no victim here but by all the accusations of the Smith's going on you would certainly think so! No need to unnecessarily ruin these peoples lives, they are licensed by the State of AZ I assume so authorities already know what is going on there. Wouldnt it be a shame if in the end LE admits they really were innocent parties to this except for their over zealousness to adopt Gabriel?

I am not ready to give the Smiths a pass but I do think it's entirely possible that EJ thought up this trip to San Antonio on her own. She may have been in contact with other prospective parents. She didn't need help to find TPS. I do think the Smiths have lied, especially with the cousin and also how they met her. With all the trolling she was doing for a baby on the internet I find it hard to believe that she just happened to fall upon one at the airport. I think they met online and maybe arranged to meet at the airport. I think EJ may have met the people who know have Gabriel the same way. Why she would go all the way to San Antonio I don't know. I am sure they are plenty of hopeful adoptive parents in AZ. Might have something to do with laws in TX or maybe she found an underground adoption agency in her searches. I don't know if JM had anything to do with her going to TX. I just can't see the Smiths going to all that trouble for a baby they were handing to another couple. I don't think they are baby brokers, just people who would very much like to adopt again. I may be wrong but I am counting on LE to connect all the dots and if there is a connection they should be arrested. Until that happens I will take TPS at face value that she wants Gabriel found as much as the rest of us do and thinks she may be able to get that out of EJ.

 

[Bratlings]

I am not ready to give the Smiths a pass but I do think it's entirely possible that EJ thought up this trip to San Antonio on her own. She may have been in contact with other prospective parents. She didn't need help to find TPS. I do think the Smiths have lied, especially with the cousin and also how they met her. With all the trolling she was doing for a baby on the internet I find it hard to believe that she just happened to fall upon one at the airport. I think they met online and maybe arranged to meet at the airport. I think EJ may have met the people who know have Gabriel the same way. Why she would go all the way to San Antonio I don't know. I am sure they are plenty of hopeful adoptive parents in AZ. Might have something to do with laws in TX or maybe she found an underground adoption agency in her searches. I don't know if JM had anything to do with her going to TX. I just can't see the Smiths going to all that trouble for a baby they were handing to another couple. I don't think they are baby brokers, just people who would very much like to adopt again. I may be wrong but I am counting on LE to connect all the dots and if there is a connection they should be arrested. Until that happens I will take TPS at face value that she wants Gabriel found as much as the rest of us do and thinks she may be able to get that out of EJ.

I agree with everything you said except I do buy that that is how they met. It just seems like EJ has serious emotional problems if not mental illness or a personality disorder. People like that attract other needy people.