AZ AZ - Grand Canyon, 'Little Miss X' UP9859, Wht/Hisp Fem, 11-17, nail file case "P" & "R", Oct'58

[doggybag2355]

I am an active researcher for both Connie Smith and Little Miss X cases. My planned podcast was set aside because of a family health issue.

In my almost 60-plus years of researching, collecting, digging, and case sharing into both cold cases, two separate emails resurfaced to open other avenues of clues being investigated.

There is little to report on either yet investigation yet, but I will share when it does. So many Websleuthers have provided ideas, information and support. Hopefully someone may remember an old family story they heard, or saw something that just doesn't fit or stumble upon long stored information, somehow. Share it, no matter how strange or unbelievable they may sound. That is what keeps me looking, they are giant puzzles and we need more eyes, uncommon ideas, “have you thought about…” thinking. Lets throw the ideas onto the wall and see what sticks.
I am open to anything and everything. Let’s do it!

I still think there’s a remote chance that she could have been a victim of the 1956 Grand Canyon mid air collision, as the PMI lines up

 

[Quilty]

I still think there’s a remote chance that she could have been a victim of the 1956 Grand Canyon mid air collision, as the PMI lines up

This is an interesting idea. There was a female listed as a victim of the collision with the last name of Payne. This theory also might suggest that items found near LMX were not necessarily her belongings and could have belonged to a different passenger. It seems that not all remains were accounted for.
Was the location where she was found in an area near the collision or debris field? I have not had much luck finding details…

 

[doggybag2355]

This is an interesting idea. There was a female listed as a victim of the collision with the last name of Payne. This theory also might suggest that items found near LMX were not necessarily her belongings and could have belonged to a different passenger. It seems that not all remains were accounted for.
Was the location where she was found in an area near the collision or debris field? I have not had much luck finding details…

I haven't been able to either. It's a very remote possibility, as the Grand Canyon is over 1000 miles long, but it's just a theory I had.

 

[Quilty]

Is there more specific information available about where she was found? Maybe from contemporary newspaper articles? All I have seen is “approximately 10 miles southeast of the Grand Canyon” and the coordinates on Namus lead to a treed area in Grand Canyon Village. Based on historic aerials from the 1950s, this area was developed and it is unlikely anyone would have been unnoticed for long. (I’ve also noticed that coordinates on Namus generally point to the center of a city/town, not real recovery locations but am not sure if that’s always the case…)
The main areas for the crash debris were around Chuar Butte and Temple Butte. From some digging, the estimated is that debris was found within approximately 1.5 square miles of the impact. Grand Canyon Village appears to maybe be 25ish miles from Chuar Butte as the crow flies.

 

[Issa]

This is an interesting idea. There was a female listed as a victim of the collision with the last name of Payne. This theory also might suggest that items found near LMX were not necessarily her belongings and could have belonged to a different passenger. It seems that not all remains were accounted for.
Was the location where she was found in an area near the collision or debris field? I have not had much luck fi remains get into the rural area she was fouand.

I don’t think that is possible, Little Miss X remains was discovered October 1958 on Skinner Ridge Road, ten miles south of the double crash site. The TWA Super Constellation plunged and crashed 300 feet above the Colorado River on a relativity flat area called Temple Butte.

The second plane, United DC-7 slammed a mile north just below the top of a formation named Chuar Butte, 1400 feet above the CO river on a near vertical slope and slid into a rugged gulch.

13 mountain climbers, five from CO and eight from Switzerland took four days to remove 66 victims for burial in the Citizens Cemetery in Flagstaff.

Ten days later 58 victims from United DC -7 were laid to reat in a marked grave in the Grand Caynon Pioneer Cemetery on the south. At the time the remains could not be identified.

I do not believe the remains of LMX came from either plane crash.

Her boyfriends car, a 1950-51 Dodge Clipper, White with twin exhaust and loud muffler, was found abandoned in Williams, AZ. Donnis Redman and Michael Griffins were last seen in San Pedro, CA March 1, 1958 before heading for Las Vegas to supposedly get married. Neither have ever been found.

 

[Quilty]

I don’t think that is possible, Little Miss X remains was discovered October 1958 on Skinner Ridge Road, ten miles south of the double crash site.

Thank you for the clarification. I could not find specific details about where she was found.

 

[HmmMysterious]

Plugged in the distance between Williams, Arizona and Skinner Ridge (I hope I got it correct).

After looking at the map, it seems possible to me that this girl is Donnis "Pinky" Redman.

 

[doggybag2355]

I don’t think that is possible, Little Miss X remains was discovered October 1958 on Skinner Ridge Road, ten miles south of the double crash site. The TWA Super Constellation plunged and crashed 300 feet above the Colorado River on a relativity flat area called Temple Butte.

The second plane, United DC-7 slammed a mile north just below the top of a formation named Chuar Butte, 1400 feet above the CO river on a near vertical slope and slid into a rugged gulch.

13 mountain climbers, five from CO and eight from Switzerland took four days to remove 66 victims for burial in the Citizens Cemetery in Flagstaff.

Ten days later 58 victims from United DC -7 were laid to reat in a marked grave in the Grand Caynon Pioneer Cemetery on the south. At the time the remains could not be identified.

I do not believe the remains of LMX came from either plane crash.

Her boyfriends car, a 1950-51 Dodge Clipper, White with twin exhaust and loud muffler, was found abandoned in Williams, AZ. Donnis Redman and Michael Griffins were last seen in San Pedro, CA March 1, 1958 before heading for Las Vegas to supposedly get married. Neither have ever been found.

That makes sense, I just had never had any good idea about how close the locations were

 

[Issa]

Connie Smith is well known as a possible match for "Little Miss X"

No, I don't believe so. We may have information on Connie’s case that, while circumstantial, may bring some answers.

Where would Connie have been held for seven years? From Connecticut to Arizona, going where?

But I say, “Never stop thinking out of the box, anything is possible.”