AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #10

[~n/t~]

I wonder if any abductor ever let the child go because she is beautiful.

It might have played a part in why she is missing in the first place.

Pleading to the kidnapper's emotional side, imo

Sadly, I only know of one case where pleading to the kidnapper resulted in the child being released and that was Kienan Hebert's case up here in Canada.

I suppose if the kidnapper is a woman and wanted Isabel as a child of her own, it may work. If the kidnapper is a sex offender/pedophile, sadly it's false hope.

 

[~n/t~]

Respectfully,yes we should expect the parents to keep their stories straight. Because the truth doesn't change....MOO

Yes of course it shouldn't but sometimes in a tragedy such as this, people will forget or remember things later. It doesn't mean they're lying.

I'd be a basket case.

 

[TxLady2]

:seeya: We can agree that we disagree ... :truce:

lease: But we do agree that we want Isabel found !

My responses are in red to give a "better explanation" and of course, all are JMO and MOO :




:moo::moo::moo:

Your responses are not showing up, but I would like to make a couple quick points.
LE rarely informs the public whether family has taken or passed a polygraph.
And they rarely keep the public informed about who is or is not a suspect. If it is a family member, we won't know that until that person is arrested, I can almost guarantee that.
IF something had happened in the home, it would probably not be released back to the family so quickly, LE would still be holding it for further searches and collecting evidence.
I also agree with Ocean, the family doesn't have to prove anything to the public. Their only obligation is to cooperate with LE and LE has said recently that they are doing that.
I do agree that the police escorting them back into the home yesterday was not for the purpose of gathering clothes or personal items. My own opinion is that they were asked to reconstruct the scene on the night Isa disappeared and to give them as many details as they could about what could remember. There are specialists in FBI who can talk them through that night in such a way that the witness can go back in their minds and recall things that they may not have remembered on their own. But if LE had found some evidence of a rape or murder in the home, they would not be leading them back into the crime scene.

 

[cluciano63]

If the same LEO had said that, the one we've been listening to every day (about bringing her home alive) I would have more hope that there is new info to suggest it...JMO

 

[joedotnet]

Live at 7pm ET an EXCLUSIVE interview with Isabel Celis' uncle with @jvelezmitchell on @HLNTV

 

[liz b.]

Well, in the case of Jahessye Shockley, if they had checked the landfill sooner, they may have had more success finding her. It seemed to take them weeks before the got around to it, even after they had identified interest in a particular portion of a specific landfill.

If, as someone said, garbage had been picked up earlier the morning that she was reported missing, it makes sense to look there. MOO

ITA about the Saturday garbage pick up. Someone without access to a vehicle could have placed her in a commercial garbage dumpster. She could have been killed in her room . MOO

It is just such a strange coincidence that the family's dogs were let out of the yard exactly a week before Isabel vanished. I wonder if something scared him off the week before,or he lost his nerve at the last minute ? IMO this could well be someone who lives very close by. Someone who has been in the house before. Knows the layout.Knows the family routines. MOO

 

[~n/t~]

If the same LEO had said that, the one we've been listening to every day (about bringing her home alive) I would have more hope that there is new info to suggest it...JMO

Which one? The police chief? Vilasenor?

 

[~n/t~]

Live at 7pm ET an EXCLUSIVE interview with Isabel Celis' uncle with @jvelezmitchell on @HLNTV

Whoa! I wonder if it's JM? If it is, it should be good. Too bad he's not on NG. :what:

 

[TxLady2]

Respectfully,yes we should expect the parents to keep their stories straight. Because the truth doesn't change....MOO

No, the truth doesn't change, but peoples' memories do. In times of stress, they cannot be expected to recall every detail in the exact order, every time. If they did, that would be a big red flag for most LE. That would indicate a made-up story for sure.
If you ever have a chance to watch a police interrogation of a suspect, (NOT on t.v.), you would see that they will keep going back over the same timeline, but not in the same order. They purposely mix the questions up so that it confuses the person and makes them slip up and give the wrong answers. It's a great trick and I used to use this on my kids when they were growing up. One of them turned out to be a cop!

 

[GutFeeling!]

And that's exactly why I've never leaned toward there being a cadaver hit.. nonetheless some have speculated there to be such.

Police said there was a hit in the house. They also said there were bloodhounds and cadavar dogs, way back in threads gone by (lol) the cadavar dog seemed to be the more popular pooch to mention. We really don't know which pooch hit on what

(Nice seeing you again btw)

 

[Dr. Know?]

Live at 7pm ET an EXCLUSIVE interview with Isabel Celis' uncle with @jvelezmitchell on @HLNTV

I was hoping he'd show up! Ta-dah! (watch it be a real uncle)

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

For me, the opposite is true. I find it much less disturbing to imagine unknown predators, "outsiders," than to think that "one of us" would be responsible. Like I already acknowledge and accept that there's danger "out there," and do what I can to protect myself. I don't expect to be perfectly safe so I don't let my guard down with everyone, I take reasonable precautions. It is way scarier for me to wonder if the greater threat is from one of "my people." I think it is interesting how we (you and I but also posters in general) have different perspectives on this. I think it is great that you analyzed yourself. We all see things thru different eyes, and it's important to understand what "eyes" you see the world thru. :cow:

Thanks PlainJaneDoe!
Psychology is my background, so analyzing motives in many areas of life is intriguing to me.

Thank you for sharing your views! :seeya:

 

[nutkin]

No, the truth doesn't change, but peoples' memories do. In times of stress, they cannot be expected to recall every detail in the exact order, every time. If they did, that would be a big red flag for most LE. That would indicate a made-up story for sure.
If you ever have a chance to watch a police interrogation of a suspect, (NOT on t.v.), you would see that they will keep going back over the same timeline, but not in the same order. They purposely mix the questions up so that it confuses the person and makes them slip up and give the wrong answers. It's a great trick and I used to use this on my kids when they were growing up. One of them turned out to be a cop!

That is very true. I shared before about the shooting that happened in front of my house on Easter. I still remember seeing an older white truck drive past. It was a new silver truck. I know what the truth is now, but whenever I replay it in my head, I see what I remembered. I was in a hurry to get my children to the back of the house in case the shooters came back, so I guess that is what made me invent incorrect details.

 

[~n/t~]

If it is JM, do you think Jane told Nancy that he's an uncle and not a cousin?
:crazy:

 

[LisaB]

It sounds like it was shortly after Becky braided Isa's hair so her hair would already be ready for the ball game the following morning.

I think Sergio was still up because he asked her did she want anything to eat and she said 'no, she was tired.' So I think she went to bed within a few minutes of getting her hair braided by her mommy.

IMO

I thought that was what I said.
I had heard that Becky was in bed before Isa went to bed and assumed it was by a significant amount of time (i.e. she was ASLEEP before Isa was put to bed). But if she had finished Isabel's braids just before Isabel went to bed, then she could not have been in bed long before Isabel, if at all.

I was not questioning when Sergio went to bed, or whether he should have offered a story instead of food, although that's all very interesting too. Rather, I was commenting on the fact that the brevity and content of the conversation between Sergio and Isabel gives perspective of how much "earlier" Becky went to bed than Isabel. In essence, they went to bed right around the same time, with Becky being in bed maybe a minute or three before Isa, but probably not yet asleep.

As you said, within a few minutes of her braids being done, Isa was off to bed. That doesn't put Becky in bed until, at most, the few minutes that it took Isa to get into her bed.

 

[katydid23]

I was hoping he'd show up! Ta-dah! (watch it be a real uncle)

I have a hard time believing it is the uncle/cousin we have been discussing. I think there are a few uncles on Dad's side of the family so I think it might be one of them.

eta; JVM just now said it was the MOTHERS brother who is coming on next. [ but I think LE is interested in the cousin, who might be his stepson actually]

 

[Lava]

JVM: Uncle on the mothers side - no name.

 

[~n/t~]

JVM - The uncle is the mother's brother.

 

[Shelby2]

Mother's brother to be on JVM

 

[Patty G]

Jane is going to interview the Uncle on her show tonight.