AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #13

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Gitana,

Thank you, thank you, thank you for your post that I have snipped and quoted. You spoke my heart!

"This has been my point forever. I am an attorney. If my child went missing, even knowing everything I know about false charges, pressure tactics, misinterpretations of evidence, etc., etc., no way would I be getting an attorney. As I have said in the past, as an attorney, I would counsel my clients to shut up, retain counsel and answer nothing. Because my job as a lawyer is to protect my client's rights.

But as a parent, my job is to protect my child, to live and die for her. And anyone who is worried about their own rights being violated and some possibility of a future case against them, after the worst thing ever already happened - the disappearance of their child - is either guilty as sin or never really loved their child to begin with."

 

[gitana1]

yeah, but what if RC knows what's up at this point... she makes a clear statement, she does not say " hoping " she is going to come home soon she says " KNOWING that she'll be home soon. " KEY WORD " KNOWING" and like you said LE clearly said " LET US DO THE LOOKING " they made it perfectly clear that the public should NOT be out searching for her. It very well is possible that due to certain issues that Isabel is in CPS care and untill they know exactly WTF is up, they are not saying anything except maybe to RC.

The liability they would open themselves up to would be insane. Lawsuits from family who are suffering, waiting for Isabel, including Sergio and his family, for example. Second, CPS cannot withhold custody from a parent without a hearing happening within a day or two of being taken into care (and notice to the parents). And if this was a scheme between Becky and LE, Sergio could sue the heck out of both LE and Becky.

But there is no way LE would be a party to such a thing. A missing child is one of the direst emergencies in the public consciousness. To secret away a missing child who is safe, and keep that info from the public, would be unconscionable and lead to heads rolling and AZ becoming the shame of the nation. It would never happen. :moo:

 

[FrayedKnot]

Blue Font is the universal sarcasm forum mechanism.

Now you tell me. Stupid iphone tapatalk no color having font stupid head. And yet i am too lazy to engage laptop for the sake of cool blue sarcasm font.




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[Okay then]

Since LE threw this curve ball on Friday, I *hope there is a PC Monday to clarify *something, anything.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

from now on lets use Blue Font as the universal sarcasm forum mechanism.

I have used the blue font to denote the University of Michigan. No sarcasm intended: GO BLUE!

 

[liz b.]

BC Quote to News "Just thinking of Isabel and the way she is, the presents she's given me, her drawings, just her being her you know and knowing that she'll be home soon"
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Wow... with a statement like that, it kinda supports my hunch that LE / CPS may already have Isabel in custody.

Maybe just keeping a positive mindset ? MOO Believe in something totally, and it might happen ? MOO

 

[PAXIMUS]

With respect, that would never happen. This is a case with national, even international attention. They would be shouting from the rooftops if she was alive. The outcry if the government pulled a stunt like that would be incredible. It has never happened in the United States before and I don't think it's even legal.

I think JohnQ makes some excellent points, and that would make a FANTASTIC screenplay, but with all of the money pouring and the posters and BILLBOARDS CONTINUING to go up wrt to the SEARCH for ISA, such a scenario would result in heads rolling at the highest levels in this city if that were to be the case.


I do, however, find BC's statement interesting.

The only way I could imagine that happening if there were major crime figures involved in her disappearance, Mafia, Cartels etc and even then it would be totally unprecedented and extremely risky to carry on in that fashion, but with the FBI involved and this being Arizona, a JQP pointed, we do indeed do things a lot differently here, his suggestion did make me pause for a moment but then I quickly came to my senses and realized just how bad of a PR and legal nightmare that would be for this city, its LE and everyone else involved.

Not a chance.

 

[Cazzie]

It can be as simple as a smilie or "/sarcasm" (= end of sarcasm).

Communicating in text is fraught with misunderstandings...yet here we are, still attempting to do just that.

 

[cluciano63]

Parents saying they "know" their child is alive or that they will come home safely is hardly new or surprising...in fact it is often the case. It is nothing more than an abiding hope, or in some cases, when many years have passed, an inability to face the truth. JMO

 

[johnQpublic]

The liability they would open themselves up to would be insane. Lawsuits from family who are suffering, waiting for Isabel, including Sergio and his family, for example. Second, CPS cannot withhold custody from a parent without a hearing happening within a day or two of being taken into care (and notice to the parents). And if this was a scheme between Becky and LE, Sergio could sue the heck out of both LE and Becky.

But there is no way LE would be a party to such a thing. A missing child is one of the direst emergencies in the public consciousness. To secret away a missing child who is safe, and keep that info from the public, would be unconscionable and lead to heads rolling and AZ becoming the shame of the nation. It would never happen. :moo:

You would be shocked at the things AZ has done in the past and gets away with... lol unless you have dealt with LE in AZ you wouldn't understand, your not dealing with " The United States " your dealing with Arizona, a state which has been known to do things with shady tactics. Don't agree then maybe you should read the Thomas Dissbarment or take a gander at the shady tactics of Joe Arpaio, they tend to have an above the Fed mentality, they have tent jails which are against the law but are approved as temporary by a pay off to the fire marshall and they have chain gangs which were outlawed many many years ago. So anytime you want to think AZ LE would'nt pull a stunt that borders on somewhat shady or risky... trust me when I say this... AZ will do what they want no matter what and they will find a way to support it. Tell you what though, just take a weeks vacation to AZ and speed down the 51 or the 101 in Phoenix and maybe pull out from a bar sober and make a left hand turn or get in a public argument. You would soon find out your stuck in an episode of locked up abroad and not so much in the US by what happens... and if you try the speeding thing and see a bright flash come from the side of the road... don't be too shocked if when you get back to Florida theres a nice picture in your mailbox and a suspended drivers license.

 

[lonetraveler]

BC Quote to News "Just thinking of Isabel and the way she is, the presents she's given me, her drawings, just her being her you know and knowing that she'll be home soon"
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Wow... with a statement like that, it kinda supports my hunch that LE / CPS may already have Isabel in custody.

Well, I can't help but reflect on Casey Anthony's statement to Cindy and George that "Caylee will be home soon".

 

[galiuro]

This ain't Joe Arpaio territory, not even close...many folks in Tucson frown with dismay at the antics of our govt to the north; we have NO DESIRE to secede from the Union, a sentiment it seems some of those said neighbors seem to harbor...

 

[PAXIMUS]

It can be as simple as a smilie or "/sarcasm" (= end of sarcasm).

Communicating in text is fraught with misunderstandings...yet here we are, still attempting to do just that.

Yea I know but I like to make people work for it a little bit...

 

[PAXIMUS]

This ain't Joe Arpaio territory, not even close...many folks in Tucson frown with dismay at the antics of our govt to the north; we have NO DESIRE to secede from the Union, a sentiment it seems some of those said neighbors seem to harbor...

Damn Sundevils!


*People in Tucson generally dont like Phoenix much.


Arpaio would not last FIVE MINUTES in office in Tucson. Tucson is much more liberal and a lot less Tea Party than up north, more democrats, artsy and cultural types down this way. We dont do right wing extremism here much.

 

[Okay then]

What are the chances of a couple who may or may not be together... who are very careful Media wise... so much so, you ( me) would think there is a "High Priced Lawyer/Advocate" lurking? I feel the spin. jmo... again

 

[Deleted member 718]

Since LE threw this curve ball on Friday, I *hope there is a PC Monday to clarify *something, anything.

Me too. I think it's still Tues and Thurs unless they have breaking news. There is this on twitter if you want to watch another paid consultant give their opinion.

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[cluciano63]

JMO but I won't be spending any vacation dollars in AZ....just my personal feeling.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

CPS is about and only about, protecting children. imo I do not see CPS playing along with the obvious ( to me, jmo) chess game between the Celises' and LE...Me thinks SC crossed a line somewhere. :moo:

I hope each and every mom here has had a day filled with love and relaxation! It has been a very full day for me but one that will hold beautiful memories forever.

I still stand by my opinion I posted last night about the 'no contact' order and I even supplied a legitimate link to the Arizona CPS to support my opinion. It clearly states mental instability due to a certain situation can be a valid reason to remove a parent. So I didnt pull it out of thin air.

It is very simple to me. LE does not protect law breakers such as abusers if they have evidence that they sexually abuse their children and they dont protect those who may have threatened their children nor parents if they have found evidence of them doing drugs in the home.

There is absolutely no reason for LE to not charge Sergio with a crime if they had evidence that he has committed any.

They would arrest him on these other charges and that would give them plenty of time to continue their investigation into Isa's disappearance.

Just like they arrested Guy Heinz Jr on other charges so they could hold him until they found the evidence that he had murdered his entire family. Just like they arrested Casey on other charges before charging her with Caylee's murder.

So LE isn't going to let someone walk around free who has committed criminal acts when they could easily arrest him if they have evidence to support any criminal wrongdoings.

Imo, we wont hear much more about this and there will come a point in time Sergio will be reunited with his family.

I dont think LE has a clue what happened to Isa or who kidnapped her from her bedroom. Soon we will be going into a month and they still have absolutely nothing to report in their mundane PCs concerning Isa's disappearance.

The odds are against Isa because stranger pedos that abduct small children usually kill them within hours after being taken but I will continue to believe she could be alive until LE tells me that is not the case.


imo

 

[Okay then]

JMO but I won't be spending any vacation dollars in AZ....just my personal feeling.

Excuse my LOL, I visit AZ often,:banghead: they get our $'s...on business!

 

[PAXIMUS]

JQP is right though, AZ as a WHOLE is a much, much different breed of law and order animal than any other state in the Union, it is not quite a police state but the nutty right wing Tea Party controlled AZ legislature would love to make it one. My point though is that Tucsonan's in particular do not tolerate as much of that sort of thing here as they do in Phoenix and surrounding areas, our LEO, like Dupnik our Sheriff do not like or agree with anything Arpaio does and do not carry on as he does down in these parts.