AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #13

[Pensfan]

This ^^^^^ is what I believe happened. I think the boys went back to school,and I know from working in the school system, that they would have been taken in to see the principal or the counselor, at some point, to see how they were coping. I believe one or both of the boys opened up at that point and said they were feeling pressure from their father for some reason. [i.e. either they felt pressured to say something untrue, or not to say something they may have seen or heard, etc etc.]

If they told a teacher or counselor something like that, it would have been reported immediately. And I am sure that LE has already been in and around that school interviewing their teachers so the communication was already open.

Sergio stated, “I am hoping next week, we will start some school, and set some boundaries.”
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/150175035.html

What did he mean by “set some boundaries”? Was he implying that his boys would be told to not speak with anyone who might question them at school (guidance counselor)?

 

[~n/t~]

Sergio stated, “I am hoping next week, we will start some school, and set some boundaries.”
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/150175035.html

What did he mean by “set some boundaries”? Was he implying that his boys would not be told to not speak with anyone who might question them at school (guidance counselor)?

Wow...good catch!

 

[Emeralgem]

Yea I did clarify a post or two later that it is just what I am hearing from people around town and at the office, that they have not been a couple for a while but came together when this happened to show a united front, which is understandable.But CBS has also reported that she is his EX WIFE...


The problem is I have not found any legal documents to support that, looking though.

BBM.. Why is deceiving the public considered to be understandable?

 

[marazul]

I am hoping that moving the PC time means having something worthwhile to share. I think I will check back in then!

 

[Whisperer]

At least we know now why many of us had "Gut feelings" that something was wrong when they watched the first interview. These two were presenting a false front and many of us picked up on it immediately. We knew something was wrong.

Some people are tuned in and get that inner sense; others don't, they bring other talents such as reason, analysis etc. to these type of cases. For those who work in a LE profession, that instinct can save your life. However, not all people who work in that profession have that "Gut feeling"...

 

[Boodles]

Just some random thoughts:

1. Nowhere have I seen any evidence or indication that Sergio is "depressed". Where the heck did that come from? He has his "positive endorphins flowing", was coaching little league where he was "having fun", spoke incessantly about himself, plugged his gig doing Ave Maria at the church, and is in the "healing" process, professing that they can “ride this out”. Did I miss something other than rumors here about him falling apart and being depressed/suicidal? I don't see the remotest hint of that.

2. IMO, it's no coincidence that Becky stopped by the house yesterday and walked right into a media opportunity. It was planned. Her affect still does not seem like that of a mother with an abducted child. And she said something about "want (stops and corrects herself)...knowing that Isa will be home soon." Another slip of words. She always corrects herself when she catches herself saying the "wrong thing". IMO, she is involved with the disappearance.

3. Sergio and Becky both still appear very hinky in my eyes. Maybe Becky is secretly working with LE to get evidence about Sergio in exchange for immunity for her part in whatever happened. Maybe Sergio planned an abduction scheme and LE has found out that Isabel is with a trusted party and LE is onto that. Maybe that's why Becky doesn't seem to act fearful about her daughter's status.

4. I wonder how much gratitude Sergio is feeling now…

 

[Donjeta]

Sergio stated, “I am hoping next week, we will start some school, and set some boundaries.”
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/150175035.html

What did he mean by “set some boundaries”? Was he implying that his boys would be told to not speak with anyone who might question them at school (guidance counselor)?

Reporter: question about other two children)

Rebecca: The boys are hanging on but it is wearing on them. The youngest one is breaking down more, crying more. My oldest is a little stronger. He is like I am, and hides it more.

Sergio: It's a lot of quiet cuddle time, and holding them. It is wonderful to see when they smile. They come right up, and hold them tight. And the hold right back. It is wearing them down. We didn't even have intentions of possibly getting them back in school this week. I am hoping next week, we will start some school, and set some boundaries. They each have gone back and played one game with their Little League teams. It was extremely difficult. They only have so much time left with school, we do want them back there. But at the same time we do notice it is taking its toll on them.

Taken in context I think he means they need to try and settle back into some kind of routine that has a little closer resemblance to normalcy. Going back to school, getting back to sports etc.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

IF SC is a theatrical performer he needs to seek another profession..JMHO
Also, IF true they were both putting on a act for the cameras, they BOTH failed miserably.. They never looked unified to me..JMH

I thought they looked strained, tense, and uncomfortable but, given the circumstances of their daughter being missing, their discomfiture was easily understandable. Sergio seemed more animated and at ease in the situation, but Becky didn't want to be there and said as much. :moo:

 

[johnQpublic]

I don't think the parents were separated at the time of the abduction nor were they living separatly.. There are no court filings for divorce or legal separation. Also, per the video statements made by uncle/cousin from 04MAY2012 there seemed to have been an implicative amount of evidence indicating something involving SC. He was very reserved with respects to issuing statements pertaining to the LE side of the case. .. I know a lot of folks will likely not want to think so but something tells me Dad never went to bed that night and that he is a meth user. There are just some things about him that make me think so.. In one statement from a neighbor he had a very lax calm attitude when asking her if she had seen Isa that day, as if he were asking a question he already knew the answer to, of course she hasn't seen her because he knew what happened to her. Furthermore there is no mention of what time he went to bed or if her ever did. IDK just my opinion but really think daddy was burning the midnight oil and did something stupid with Isa and covered his tracks really well like a tweaker would do.

 

[Whisperer]

Sergio stated, “I am hoping next week, we will start some school, and set some boundaries.”
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/150175035.html

What did he mean by “set some boundaries”? Was he implying that his boys would be told to not speak with anyone who might question them at school (guidance counselor)?

Sounds like there was therapy taking place....

 

[~n/t~]

Taken in context I think he means they need to try and settle back into some kind of routine that has a little closer resemblance to normalcy. Going back to school, getting back to sports etc.

Still...setting boundaries sounds controlling. Under normal circumstances, it is the right thing for a parent to set boundaries but under tragic circumstances such as a sister disappearing in the middle of the night, snatched from her bed....

Like I said earlier....we're talking about kids with feelings not robots. I would think the first step would be to get them some sort of counselling. Yes, school is important but how can they concentrate on school work when their little sister is gone without a trace? Sorry but that's just not right. IMO

 

[PAXIMUS]

Interesting about the presser delay...

Yea =X

 

[Boodles]

Sergio stated, “I am hoping next week, we will start some school, and set some boundaries.”
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/150175035.html

What did he mean by “set some boundaries”? Was he implying that his boys would be told to not speak with anyone who might question them at school (guidance counselor)?

I believe the boundaries probably pertained to media access to the boys. Remember they were dead set against the boys being on camera by the media. Becky also said they never leave her sight. I don't think they want(ed) anyone having access to speak with or photo/video the boys.

 

[utahagen]

Boodles, great post! I agree with all your points, which are quoted below:

1. Nowhere have I seen any evidence or indication that Sergio is "depressed".

2. IMO, it's no coincidence that Becky stopped by the house yesterday and walked right into a media opportunity. It was planned. Her affect still does not seem like that of a mother with an abducted child...IMO, she is involved with the disappearance.

3. Sergio and Becky both still appear very hinky in my eyes. 4. I wonder how much gratitude Sergio is feeling now…[/QUOTE]

 

[PAXIMUS]

I understand what media is saying. I was questioning the passing along of rumor. I thought rumor was not allowed on WS.

Also, I find it amusing that when MSM gets it wrong, it's characterized as spreading "chum." But when rumor is posted here, it's just, well, "buzz" and if it turns out to be wrong, well, no big deal.

Look, I am just posting what I heard as a local, I am not here in any official capacity and I did not base what I said on the CBS report, I merely cited that they too seem to be taking the same tact wrt to their marriage. I have heard from some credible folks I know who work at TMC that they have not been a couple for a while, take it for what it is worth, some people asked and I answered as to what I know. If the mods dont like what I post they can delete no sweat off my , friend.

 

[Donjeta]

Still...setting boundaries sounds controlling. Under normal circumstances, it is the right thing for a parent to set boundaries but under tragic circumstances such as a sister disappearing in the middle of the night, snatched from her bed....

Like I said earlier....we're talking about kids with feelings not robots. I would think the first step would be to get them some sort of counselling. Yes, school is important but how can they concentrate on school work when their little sister is gone without a trace? Sorry but that's just not right. IMO

It struck me as a little off too, like, we were cutting them some slack for all of a couple of weeks because they were upset but now it's time get over it already. But he doesn't say that good grades are expected... It is possible imo that the children do not particularly enjoy being holed up in some hotel room or a relative's house or wherever they've lived and that they would prefer to go back to school and their hobbies, see their friends regularly again and get something else to think about besides Isabel's disappearance. I don't think that it's necessarily good for the children in times of crisis to cut them off from school and their other familiar routines indefinitely.

If they are getting counseling, we might not know about it.

 

[pieper4]

I anticipate an interesting presser. If not today then pretty darn soon. And perhaps nothing any of us were/are expecting. BWDIK? Just another local here. :/

 

[Prof]

I think that will be one of the missing pieces of this puzzle. I don't think she lived there either.

I am not getting where this is coming from personally. She had a very recent video on her phone of Isa at home. She had pictures of Isa at home on FB.
Why would it be RC not living there? Why not Sergio?
Why would a pediatric nurse not live with the children she is proud of on FB?
Why would they both lie about such a thing when their daughter is missing?
It would not matter if they were living separately when Isa went missing, if they had nothing to do with it, so why add that lie?

Anyone?

 

[PAXIMUS]

I anticipate an interesting presser. If not today then pretty darn soon. And perhaps nothing any of us were/are expecting. BWDIK? Just another local here. :/

If what is going around is true there is going to be a collective jaw dropping here and everywhere else. Cant wait till 3. We will see what happens.

 

[txanmom]

Just some random thoughts:

1. Nowhere have I seen any evidence or indication that Sergio is "depressed". Where the heck did that come from? He has his "positive endorphins flowing", was coaching little league where he was "having fun", spoke incessantly about himself, plugged his gig doing Ave Maria at the church, and is in the "healing" process, professing that they can “ride this out”. Did I miss something other than rumors here about him falling apart and being depressed/suicidal? I don't see the remotest hint of that.

2. IMO, it's no coincidence that Becky stopped by the house yesterday and walked right into a media opportunity. It was planned. Her affect still does not seem like that of a mother with an abducted child. And she said something about "want (stops and corrects herself)...knowing that Isa will be home soon." Another slip of words. She always corrects herself when she catches herself saying the "wrong thing". IMO, she is involved with the disappearance.

3. Sergio and Becky both still appear very hinky in my eyes. Maybe Becky is secretly working with LE to get evidence about Sergio in exchange for immunity for her part in whatever happened. Maybe Sergio planned an abduction scheme and LE has found out that Isabel is with a trusted party and LE is onto that. Maybe that's why Becky doesn't seem to act fearful about her daughter's status.
4. I wonder how much gratitude Sergio is feeling now…

bbm - this is what I am starting to pick up on. Could CPS take the action they did if let's say BC told them in a seperate LE interview, that she was wanting to seperate/divorce and SC had said to her if she did she would never see her kids again? If that is the case, maybe she was trying to seperate, spent that night away and he used that opportunity to spirit Isa away with family members in Mexico. This could be why she looked nervous around him. I always thought it was because she had done something and didn't want him to find out, BUT what if it is because she was scared he was making good on a threat. Therefore, CPS would not want him to have access to the boys where he could kidnap them as well. This would make sense of the weird "custody-issue" comment from early on. It could also tie in the non barking dogs, and the 6:30am male voices that made the neighbor think Isa knew the men because she wasn't making any noises. Actually, this would be the best case scenario, because it would mean she is alive, and will come home once they figure out where he is keeping her. It would also make sense as to why they didn't seem as upset as we all thought they should be, the disconnect between the two of them and the lack of ground searches nearby looking for a body? PURE SPECULATION! JMO!