AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #13

[callyn]

I just heard this on HLN and thought it was significant:

JVM reported that the two older boys ( were Isabel's Half brothers) both were SC's from a previous marriage and were returned to care of Their Mom - not RC!

:waitasec:

How can that be when they have been married 15 years and the oldest boy is 14???

 

[Prof]

HLN has posted a lot of misinformation, speculation and rumor on this case.

This latest is just not true. It's a snowball out of control..or whatever GA said

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

How long have the Celis' been married? 15 years i had thought...aren't the boys younger than 15? Weird.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I just heard this on HLN and thought it was significant:

JVM reported that the two older boys ( were Isabel's Half brothers) both were SC's from a previous marriage and were returned to care of Their Mom - not RC!

:waitasec:

I heard that, too, but don't know what to think about all of the rumors and/or innuendo that have hit the airwaves. JVM might just be latching on to the report that floated around earlier today and hasn't checked her "sources" for accuracy. I'm going to sit tight until the presser and hope that LE provides the information that we're seeking. :moo:

 

[Lark2]

Rumor is allowed if we label it as rumor, IIRC. Rumor from MSM is criticized highly while rumor labeled as such on here from posters is not because the MSM has a duty to publish only facts from legitimate, vetted sources. If not, they would be no better than the Enquirer. We rely on MSM to be accurate so if the publish rumor, we cannot rely on them anymore.

Posters who clearly state they are posting a rumor are simply giving us fodder for discussion and we know the posts are not to be relied on. Big difference. :moo:

You are right about the difference and I should know better. Thanks for bringing this up.

Also, I think it might be a good idea for posters to clearly state when something is a rumor right up front as opposed to after the fact. Might help to keep things in perspective.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I just heard this on HLN and thought it was significant:

JVM reported that the two older boys ( were Isabel's Half brothers) both were SC's from a previous marriage and were returned to care of Their Mom - not RC!

:waitasec:

I am so confused my head is about to explode. How can that be? Becky and Sergio were married 15 years ago and the boys are 14 and 10.

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: :maddening:

imo

 

[joedotnet]

Hmmmm....that would make the girl calling little Sergio her half brother make sense.

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[Anita Richman]

How long have the Celis' been married? 15 years i had thought...aren't the boys younger than 15? Weird.

Yes, their anniversary was yesterday, I believe.

 

[Pensfan]

Have they said they are no longer searching? I didn't know that..

I haven't heard they stopped searching, but I haven't heard if or where they are still searching.

 

[Prof]

Hmmmm....that would make the girl calling little Sergio her half brother make sense.

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What girl?

Okay, so now we are to believe that the marriage record is false? Or perhaps the boys are much older than everyone says?

We should believe LE and the courts are lying about this family?

 

[gitana1]

Doesn't strike me as creepy..

It strikes me as very sad.

What strikes me as creepy is all the replies of HAPPY Mother's Day with almost no mention of concern that this might not be such a happy day for Rebecca. Just strikes me as strange. JMO MOO totally MOO

Well, you have a point there. A more appropriate post would be, "May this be the best Mother's Day ever, for you. May this be the day Isa comes home."

Here, restraining orders are called "Orders of Protection." I believe there is a difference in Orders of Protection and RO's, and maybe Pax can differentiate them for us.

My ex-son-in-law's order ca be easily looked up using his name. It IS public record. Thank GOD.

You can get a restraining order restraining a party or entity from doing various things. The relief requested though is called injunctive relief. You can also get restraining orders civilly, against a non-related person, who may be harassing you, like a neighbor. That would differ from what AZ calls an "order of protection" which is basically a domestic violence restraining order because the harassment is not domestic. It appears to me that that is the basic difference.

I have known families that separated and the kids ALWAYS stayed in the home, but the PARENTS moved in and out to effect shared custody. If the kids went to bed Friday and Becky had to go to work early Saturday, it is possible that either Becky stayed overnight, but Sergio came over early Saturday so she could go to work, OR he stayed with the kids that night since she had to work on Saturday morning.

And just a thought... Sergio has such a high-pitched voice and some "feminine" inflection... would someone who heard him talking softly but could not make out the words think they were hearing a MAN or a WOMAN talking (in reference to the neighbor hearing voices at 6:30)

I heard nothing in his voice that would allow someone to mistake him fo0r a woman. With respect, I really think that's taking the whole "slight, effeminate inflection" thing a bit too far.

I've dealt with CPS before and they come to you with a "safety plan". They typically present it as if you have no choice (sign this agreement saying dad will move out and not be around the children or we will send the kids to foster care). In reality though, if you don't agree to it, then they would have to get a court order from a judge before they could really enforce anything (CPS alone does not have the power to remove the children, except maybe temporarily for a couple days in some states).

If the parents don't know any better and just agree to the safety plan - NO PROOF is required for this. CPS could be acting on a tip or a hunch or anything without any evidence to back it up.

As far as getting charged, that takes more time and more proof. CPS typically acts first and then builds their case. The police typically build their case and then act. Once CPS has finished their investigation, they will then turn all of their notes over to the DA who then decides if there is enough evidence for the police to open and investigation and charge him with something.

Perfect explanation of how it works, Amy. That's exactly how it goes in CA and I;m guessing AZ is quite similar.

Interesting about the presser delay...

Yeah, are they delaying to they can make an arrest first?

Just saw on PIMA COURT docket there is a 2:15 PM review hearing with [Restricted Name] as the defendant on the schedule. Not sure if it is related to this case BUT it's not usual for the court to Restrict the name on the docket schedule. The allotted time is 30 minutes which could be the reasoning for the move in the PC time to 3PM. When trying to access the case number it too does not come up. I have a feeling this 2:15 restricted review hearing is somewhat involved in this case.

A review hearing indicates there was another hearing, likely at least 3-6 months ago. So I doubt it is connected to this case. But, it is a good catch on an unusual day!

 

[Pensfan]

How long have the Celis' been married? 15 years i had thought...aren't the boys younger than 15? Weird.

Yes, they have been married for 15 years and Sergio's sons (which may not be Rebecca's are 14 and 10).

 

[PAXIMUS]

I just heard this on HLN and thought it was significant:

JVM reported that the two older boys ( were Isabel's Half brothers) both were SC's from a previous marriage and were returned to care of Their Mom - not RC!

:waitasec:

SO THAT IS WHY the news keeps saying the boys went to HIS EX WIFE, now it makes sense. But When BC was interviewed yesterday she seemed to indicate she had the boys, strange.

 

[iSleuth]

Wait a sec...is right.
I have not seen records for a previous marriage.
I have seen records for RC and SC married on May 13, 1997.
The boys are 10 and 14, so it is unlikely they are from a previous marriage unless daddy's a bigamist?
:waitasec:

???? I know...
This was a JVM "preview" on HLN for JVM's "Issues" show it aired at about 4:00-4:05 pm EST because she said there is an presser in less than one hour.

or ....well.. ...baby daddy...or yet another thing that came up in the investigation?

 

[Prof]

Here's what happened IMO
The old game of telephone.
The local CBS affiliate in Tucson tried to retell the story Monday morning in catch up mode. They got it WRONG. All the locals flooded them with calls, and then they fixed the online story. In the meantime, big CBS just ran the local story's version before the fix. Then JVM producers picked it up.
This makes more sense than some huge coverup in Tucson to me...

 

[time]

I just heard this on HLN and thought it was significant:

JVM reported that the two older boys ( were Isabel's Half brothers) both were SC's from a previous marriage and were returned to care of Their Mom - not RC!

:waitasec:

What?? I'm thinking this is wrong, right? How is that possible if the Celis' have been together 15 years? Or am I wrong about that. Although I'm always amazed at how much misreporting there is!

 

[Cheewawa007]

Maybe there were more kids living in the house that we aren't aware of... like a couple of older boys from another mother???

 

[PAXIMUS]

Hmmmm....that would make the girl calling little Sergio her half brother make sense.

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Did you see the girl on Tumblr with all the marijuana pictures who called Sergio Jr her brother? Does make sense now eh?


Someone asked her who Isa was and she said "Its my brother's little sister."

 

[Emeralgem]

I just heard this on HLN and thought it was significant:

JVM reported that the two older boys ( were Isabel's Half brothers) both were SC's from a previous marriage and were returned to care of Their Mom - not RC!

:waitasec:

Say what? RC is not the mother of the two older boys? Isn't the oldest boy 14 yrs old and didn't someone post RC and SC had been married for 15 years? IIRC.. Someone posted their anniversary was yesterday, May 13th....JMHO

 

[TexasLil]

According to KPHO, Isabel's two brothers were turned over to their biological mother, the ex-wife of Sergio Celis.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...abel-celis-barred-from-contact-with-his-sons/