AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #13

[Madeleine74]

How to Interpret LE-speak:

1. LE is not going to publicly say they are focusing in on someone. Why? Because when a case goes to trial they do not want a defense attorney to tell the jury..."my client was railroaded! The police never considered other scenarios or other possible perps!" They have to be open to any and all possibilities. That doesn't mean they actually believe in these other theories!

2. It's all about preserving the case for the DA for eventual litigation, whether it's via a trial or a plea agreement. EVERYTHING SAID is to not actually say anything to implicate any one person. Why? See #1 above.

3. "We were told that..." It means exactly that. LE was not in the house. They only know what they were told by the people they are interviewing. What they are not saying is whether they believe what they were told or not. And LE is not going to tell the public what they really believe. Why? See #1 above.

4. "We're not focusing on any one thing, but are considering all avenues." They are focusing in, of course they are. That doesn't mean they won't consider information if it is real, verifiable and leads them to a resolution. But don't be misled. LE has a focus. It may pan out, it may not.

5. "The family is cooperating" or "Mr XYZ or Mrs XYZ is cooperating." This means...kind of nothing. It's LE-speak for "don't publicly call anyone a suspect because that can only cause trouble for us. We want them to keep talking if possible so we can get more information."

6. "We have not named any person as a suspect or POI" This means...they have not publicly said anything about who they suspect. For legal reasons they do not want to back themselves into a corner or create any kind of adversarial situation. It does not mean they don't suspect someone. It means they haven't NAMED anyone (publicly).

7. "We're asking pointed questions of..." This means LE is focusing in and trying to get more information. Maybe it means they are trying to get a confession. It could mean they are trying to get someone to implicate themselves (or someone else). It means they are most definitely focusing in on one or more targets.

 

[nanwv]

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[oceanblueeyes]

I am not getting the vibe that Sergio is a threat to the kids out of any of this, I know I have argued the case over and over and some of you believe that to be the case and I may be wrong but it seems there is another reason, what it may be I have no idea.

I dont either. The Chief stressed Sergio was a free man who could come and go like he pleased. He also said that the agreement didnt include Becky so she could be seeing him through the day when the kids are in school.

I am glad he cleared up JVMs nonsense about the boys having another mom and that as far as he knew they were not separated when Isa went missing.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Admits the relationship between TPD and the Celis' is strained. They are asking "pointed questions" of them.

Ruh-Roh! This IMO is not a good sign.. just wish we knew exactly which members of the "family" are being asked the "pointed questions".. or is it all of them with which the relationship is strained(as for example it be Sergio the pointed questions are mainly asked of. .yet the entire family relationship is strained because they are all of the opinion dad is in no way involved) ..just a possibility.. guess we'll have to wait for more info to come tolight before we can see a clearer picture.. jmo..

Where are you, Isa?

 

[cluciano63]

The boys are not in hiding...they were out yesterday with their mom...I don't think they are in danger from some unknown source. JMO

 

[marazul]

I must check homework and feed my children, hoping there are 911 call links when I am back.

 

[Prof]

He[Villasenor] said Sergio and Becky Celis are still cooperating with the investigation, but he said the relationship between the parents and police is "somewhat more strained now."

Villasenor said as far as he knew, neither parent has any attorney.


Read more: http://azstarnet.com/news/local/cri...dec-11e1-b1f1-001a4bcf887a.html#ixzz1ut21fm2v

 

[cluciano63]

WS is acting up again

 

[Curious Me]

Pressing the thanks button for nothing! Just so you know, I keep thanking everyone, but it doesn't show up.

 

[PAXIMUS]

What are the reasons, for all you experts out there, that he would be removed from the kids but still be allowed to see Becky?

 

[Knox]

Ruh-Roh! This IMO is not a good sign.. just wish we knew exactly which members of the "family" are being asked the "pointed questions".. or is it all of them with which the relationship is strained(as for example it be Sergio the pointed questions are mainly asked of. .yet the entire family relationship is strained because they are all of the opinion dad is in no way involved) ..just a possibility.. guess we'll have to wait for more info to come tolight before we can see a clearer picture.. jmo..

Where are you, Isa?

Villaseñor said the police relationship with the Celis family has become more strained, but he said that's to be expected.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18389824/tpd-to-release-911-tapes-from-celis-case-today

 

[Deleted member 718]

The no contact order has to be connected in some way to Isa's case, otherwise outside of RC making a direct complaint to police or one of the kids, nothing would have occurred. It is within the context of Isa 'missing' that all of this is unfolding. Of course it's all connected. LE said this action was the result of information learned during the course of their investigation. That's as clear a signal as any they've given.

It doesn't tell us what happened to Isa, but what we can see by the actions/activity is that there is drama within the family and the scenario of a "kidnapper/abductor" seems unlikely.

Watch actions instead of trying to decipher MSM and other published verbiage to see the direction a case is heading.

- Where is LE spending their time? With the family and inside the house or out in the community looking for sightings and leads and passing out flyers and conducting searches? (hint: interviewing family over and over, searching inside the house).

- Has TPD issued a warning to parents that some kidnapper is loose in their community? (No).

- Has TPD said anything to indicate there is someone dangerous lurking in that community waiting to enter a house to snatch away a child? (No).

What do their actions indicate? That's the real story IMHO.

BBM

Actually there was an article this morning that Tucson PD, along with several agencies from the city, are hosting a community forum today to discuss the recent events involving children. Sounds to me that they think it's very important the public is aware and educated.

"In response to Isabel Celis' disappearance and the break-in and molestation of a girl on Tucson's northeast side, several organizations will gather for a community forum today about how to discuss the events with children.
Experts from the Tucson Police Department, the Southern Arizona Children's Advocacy Center and mental health agencies will present the "Courage Through Knowledge" forum and will offer information on home and personal safety, developing a family safety plan and discussing child abductions with children."


Read more: http://azstarnet.com/news/local/cri...71b-53fb-852b-5c675acdd2aa.html#ixzz1ut1xGplZ

 

[SmoothOperator]

OK.. where's the 911 Cal being released?. Through what source? Did he say?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Ruh-Roh! This IMO is not a good sign.. just wish we knew exactly which members of the "family" are being asked the "pointed questions".. or is it all of them with which the relationship is strained(as for example it be Sergio the pointed questions are mainly asked of. .yet the entire family relationship is strained because they are all of the opinion dad is in no way involved) ..just a possibility.. guess we'll have to wait for more info to come tolight before we can see a clearer picture.. jmo..

Where are you, Isa?

The Celis family had already voiced their frustration about how much time has spent looking at them. Heck Mark Lunsford was mad as he** at how much time LE spent on him and his parents instead of looking for the real perp that had kidnapped Jessica and there were heated moments between Mark and LE.

He also said that they continue to meet with both of them everyday and they are continuing to cooperate and as far is he is aware they dont have an attorney.

 

[~n/t~]

He[Villasenor] said Sergio and Becky Celis are still cooperating with the investigation, but he said the relationship between the parents and police is "somewhat more strained now."

Villasenor said as far as he knew, neither parent has any attorney.


Read more: http://azstarnet.com/news/local/cri...dec-11e1-b1f1-001a4bcf887a.html#ixzz1ut21fm2v

It won't be long before they get one, imo.

 

[pieper4]

Did anyone else catch the Chief specifically state kidnapping? Or was I hearing things...

 

[cluciano63]

What are the reasons, for all you experts out there, that he would be removed from the kids but still be allowed to see Becky?

For me, it is what I thought all weekend, that perhaps Dad was encouraging the boys to say certain things about what happened. JMO

 

[Taminator]

I am not getting the vibe that Sergio is a threat to the kids out of any of this, I know I have argued the case over and over and some of you believe that to be the case and I may be wrong but it seems there is another reason, what it may be I have no idea.

I agree with you completely.

My opinion is Sergio is a threat to himself, but as a precautionary measure they have to separate him from the children. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the boys were expressing the symptoms Sergio was having when they went back to school. The whole CPS 'increased involvement' seemed to happen after the boys went back to school, and as we all surely know--teachers are mandatory reporters of suspected abuse or neglect. Maybe the boys felt neglected by their father.

Guilt can be an ugly thing. It's my opinion that Sergio feels tremendous guilt and trauma. Imagine waking up like its any other day, going to your child's room and they aren't there.

I know a lot of people have the opinion that he is a drug-addicted, human smuggling, closet homosexual, but I'm just not seeing it.

JMO

 

[AnaTeresa]

I've never seen a case that hasn't been played "close to the vest." Have you? There's always more than meets the eye. LE hasn't been sitting around playing checkers for the last several weeks.

In FL there are Sunshine laws that legally allow the release of certain documents as a case proceeds, but I've never seen LE share details of their investigation other than to say the cursory "we're doing everything, following up on everything" type of statements.

In my opinion, this one is a bit more close to the vest than others. Compare this to Kyron or Lisa's case, where LE have been a bit more blunt in their suspicions. This LE has been very careful to keep walking the line of parents vs. stranger, not giving any significant indication which way the investigation is blowing. Compare that to statements LE have made in other cases, and you'll see that they are being very circumspect here.

 

[Knox]

CPS increased their involvement with the Celis family last week after detectives became aware of information pertaining to the welfare of the two boys, J and S. Details about those concerns have not been made public.

Read more: http://azstarnet.com/news/local/cri...dec-11e1-b1f1-001a4bcf887a.html#ixzz1ut3ZG0dn
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