AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #16

[oceanblueeyes]

Oh I Do!!!!

Seems like a Jerk to me!

I told her to get her butt home!


jmo

LOL! I dont think that makes him a jerk though. At least he didnt tell the op that he told Becky to get her azz home.

I may have even said that to my hubby to let him know ........I mean come ...right now!

But being a jerk is not a criminal offense anyway or a lot of people would be thrown in jail just based on that!:floorlaugh:

 

[cluciano63]

I think we have all seen more than enough cases where children or parents were NOT removed from the home when CPS was called, due to lack of evidence. Maybe that is what happened in December and the same issue, whatever it was, came up when LE was interviewing the children or someone else, and that is why they decided they had better separate them pending further investigation. Just because someone is not charged, does not mean nothing was going on. JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

The dogs infraction occurred Thurs 4/19 -
Friday - 4/20 -- Celis family goes to ballgame, last known citing of Isabel
Saturday - 4/21 -- 911 called regarding Isabel missing in the a.m.

I wonder SC (on the dogs, running around and getting outside the walls, the night before) let the dogs out in an attempt to get rid of them: that way no noise from barking and no one is alarmed to anything going on when Isabel is taken.
Maybe the "abduction" was planned by dad (and someone else)?
Can´t believe a perp would know they had no alarm, no cams, no fear from the dogs, how did he get into the house , did get out carrying a 6 years old without none noticing anything? not knowing where Isa´s bedroom was and if she had a single room,neighbours,family , did not see /hear any strangers, cars,hmmm

WOW As I was reading I felt like I was reading an intro to the Elizabeth Smart case. Eerily similar.

 

[Whisperer]

If someone left the dogs out on purpose, it would probably be because the dogs were always barking. It appears the Celis family didn't want those dogs inside. Some owners have no concern for dogs at all. Dogs love to be with the human companions. They live and yearn to be with them, not locked out in a hot stone cage. Of course they are going to bark, poor things.

 

[LisaB]

IMO only.

I have concerns with how the "abduction" was first communicated as if it was already known for sure this is what occurred. I realize it is an obvious deduction to make, but I have concerns that the dad may have forced a certain theory onto the son and everyone else because lets take a look at the son's very first comment on the 911 call below....

"My sister's gone uh, someone broke in and grabbed her"

Now, let's take a look at the dad's very first comment on his 911 call....

"I believe she was abducted from our house"

Now, let us recall the first televised interview with the dad where he mentions something about "what are your demands"

So, as we summarize all of this, I have to make an assumption that he was the one that made the declaration to the son that this is what has occurred here, and this is the situation.

Again, it is an obvious assumption to make, but let us try to think how each one of us would have communicated if we woke up and saw the situation. The only thing that I can think of that I would be saying is "she is missing and that it appears someone may have broke in and may have took her". I dont think I would take the leap to affirmitively announce that it was definitetly an abduction or that someone grabbed her.

The fact that the son said someone "grabbed her" really bothers me, as if someone used those words to him prior to him making the call (OR) if he maybe even saw something as it was happening.

This just bothers me, and it probably doesn't help anything, but I found it very concerning when thinking about all the statements together, and thinking about those very first statements on the 911 call before much was known by anyone.

Something about this just doesn't feel right, especially, as we now hear of prior CPS involvement.

I am praying for that poor child.

I suggested this and got a lot of negative remarks. I guess it's you and me against the McCoys.

 

[Donjeta]

I took the plan as a religious reference. "I don't know what God's plan is", that sort of thing.

 

[Hatfield]

Hi Hatfield!

The dogs got out a week before... not the day before. I think I recall he picked them up on Wednesday of the following week so they were already back in the home days before Isa went missing.

But I have always had concern that someone else let those dogs out on purpose.

IMO

Thanks for clearing that up.......I was going by what the poster listed as happening on 4/19, but like you mention, maybe that was just when he went and picked the dogs up. I'll try to be more careful to vett things out myself. I realize it is so easy to miscontrue something, and of course we don't want to make anything more confusing than it already is. Thanks for helping out.

I agree something about the dogs getting out, just seems a little too coincidental to me. I just have a funny feeling that the fact that the dogs got out at all around that time, just seems a little too coincidental, and maybe could be related somehow.

 

[FrayedKnot]

sorry, trying to keep up...has this one been discussed???


Case Number: File Date: Caption: Judge:

Party Full Name Party Role Name Type

EFREN ROMERO

Plaintiff True

REBECCA L. CELIS Defendant True

SERGIO CELIS Defendant True

Case/Document Information

Order Order Of Dismissal/Dismissing ORDER OF DISMISSAL 12/17/2003 Available at Courthouse

Stipulation Stipulation Order STIPULATION ORDER OF DISMISSAL 12/17/2003 Available at Courthouse

Notice Notice Of Settlement/Offer NOTICE OF SETTLEMENT 11/26/2003 Available at Courthouse

Ptstate Pretrial Statement COUNTERDEFENDANT ROMERO’S PRE-HEARING STATEMENT 11/13/2003 Available at Courthouse

Notice Notice Of Service NOTICE OF SERVICE OF PLNTF ROMERO’S FIRST SUPPLEMENT TO DISCLOSURE STATEMENT 10/22/2003 Available at Courthouse

Answer Answer/Response To Counter/Cross Claim EFREN ROMERO’S REPLY TO COUNTERCLAIM 9/15/2003 Available at Courthouse

Notice Notice Of Service Notice of Service 8/18/2003 Available at Courthouse

Notice Notice Of Service NOTICE OF SERVICE OF PLAINTIFF ROMERO’S RULE 26.1 DISCLOSURE STATEMENT 8/15/2003 Available at Courthouse

Notice Notice Re: Arbitration/Arbitrator NOTICE RE: COMPULSORY ARBITRATION/ APPOINTMENT OF ARBITRATOR 8/8/2003 Available at Courthouse

Amended Answer/Response AMENDED ANSWER COUNTERCLAIM 7/15/2003 Available at Courthouse

Motion Motion To Set MOTION TO SET AND CERTIFICATE OF READINESS 7/9/2003 Available at Courthouse

Receipt All Money Receipts All Money Receipts 320080 7/8/2003 Available at Courthouse

Answer Answer/Response ANSWER 7/8/2003 Available at Courthouse

Affidavit Affidavit Of Service Affidavit of Service 6/12/2003 Available at Courthouse

Receipt All Money Receipts All Money Receipts 312845 6/6/2003 Available at Courthouse

Misc Arbitration/Arbitrator Certificate of Compulsory Arbitration 6/6/2003 Available at Courthouse

Open Petition Complaint Petition/Complaint 6/6/2003 Available at Courthouse

Public Access to Court Information – Case Search

The Arizona Judicial Branch is pleased to offer Public Access to Court Case Information, a valuable online service providing a resource for information about court cases from 153 out of 180 courts in Arizona. Case Information

Yes! And now Google Efron Romero for any MSM articles. Yowza!

Wonder what someone like Romero would be suing the Celis' for? MOO


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[pieper4]

:waitasec:

I am not sure exactly what is being asked about my late night made up scenario lol but quite a few of us assume the surveillance LE mistakenly published as taken the night Isa went missing, may have been from the night before she went missing --Thursday into Friday, not the night LE was there blocking off streets....as discussed around page 30 of thread 8.

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My scenario had no return to the scene of the crime at all. I disclaimed it was just another possibility to explain why the OM store with seemingly the best positioned cameras did not seem to have picked up anything.

(still from the NG show interviewing Mr. Moore)



This was just a scenario, that came about last night while I was discussing this NG video
http://www.mooresecuritysolutions.com/rick-moore-speaking-with-nancy-grace-on-hln

Moore Security is not the business on the West side of that strip mall as shown. It's the second or third store front from that corner. Assuming the storefronts are at least 20 feet wide in frontage, that places Moore about 60+ feet from the corner of the first store front.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

On the topic of Drug related issues and the Cartel perception... Let's just speculate this scenario for a second... If SC was in some way involved in the Meth business or a user then that would explain " who have we had in our home who could have done this " and the appearance to neighbors of strange people coming and going and appearing as cartel activity... Not only that but it could also put this scenario in play... Let's say maybe he left a teaner lay out and Isa thought it was a bag of sugar candy and swallowed down the Meth, she overdosed. SC then took the body somewhere and cleaned the house up and staged the scene as would be the typical behavior of a tweaker. The residue of meth use would also cause a cadaver dog to hit on the smell of death. IDK but my thought is that if your kid accidentally OD'd on your drugs you just wouldn't take her to the ER and having a nurse for a wife you wouldn't go waking her up to tell her about it. Not to mention... if you had a late night at the ball field and you need to be up early for another game.. Wouldn't you think you would goto bed and not watch a 9 inning pro ball game on tv. And the statement ' after they all went to bed, I watched the d'backs game ' an indicater that he was up to no good, hitting the tweak pipe... He is calm in the 911 call because he is on a come down from using and he is emotionally disconnected from the situation as well.. Not only that but he has a sense of paranoia and gives what appears to be a detailed alibi and without any called ending salutation he simple hangs up the phone with the 911 operator.

But from what we have learned the Celis family did not have a lot of people in and out all the time and lived a quiet life. The neighbor who heard the two men talking said she would see the boys and Isa out playing in the backyard or the family would eat outside sometimes. She never mentioned seein a lot of people or traffic at the Celis home. Other neighbors have said they would see Serigo and Isa walking around in the neighborhood.

Now I know nothing about meth users but I have seen gobs of photos of them and Sergio and the entire family looks very fit and healthy.

IMO

 

[LisaB]

Is that not having proof of insurance?

It means he must provide proof of insurance. Often even a traffic citation will result in the Motor Vehicle Administration requesting this information.

 

[Donjeta]

LOL! I dont think that makes him a jerk though. At least he didnt tell the op that he told Becky to get her azz home.

I may have even said that to my hubby to let him know ........I mean come ...right now!

But being a jerk is not a criminal offense anyway or a lot of people would be thrown in jail just based on that!:floorlaugh:

I have probably said much worse things at time to time but I wouldn't think that he'd have needed any strong language as emphasis to get Becky to come home. I think most mothers respond immediately if they are told that their child is missing and probably abducted.

 

[Patty G]

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/02/ng.01.html

Now there is. She showed a criminal record on the screen that is identical to JM's, which is public record.

NG was very careful not to name the criminal record of the cousin, as well as indicating anything with "concrete" facts that the cousin lived with the Celis'.

JM did state he was going to Arizona to visit family, and he may have stayed at the Celis' as well as other family members, but to say "he lived there" is a unrealistic stretch of a "unconfirmed" source.

Heck, JM has pictures of his Jeep in front of the Celis' home on 6/11/11 and also on a mountain road in Washington State on 6/11/11. :crazy:

 

[Whisperer]

Becky was not clear on the time she left for work. It sounded to me like she started work @ 0700. Remember her boss said she was @ work early that particular day. So did she leave the house early or did she leave @ 0700? Can't recall her exact words but I know she left it open for interpretation.

Many nurse's hours start @ 0700. The 1st shift (2300 to 0730) will leave @ 0730, giving time to give report to the 2nd shift.(becky's). They used to always have 1/2 hour overlap.This is, of course, just a sample but these are the shifts I am familiar with.

 

[cluciano63]

With the house behind the walls, as it were, I am not sure anyone would really notice if people were coming to stay, or coming to visit, etc...I live in a similar neighborhood and I sure don't notice such things.

As far as the dogs...we don't know that they have not been out of the yard on other occasions and this is the time they were caught.

JMO

 

[joedotnet]

But from what we have learned the Celis family did not have a lot of people in and out all the time and lived a quiet life. The neighbor who heard the two men talking said she would see the boys and Isa out playing in the backyard or the family would eat outside sometimes. She never mentioned seein a lot of people or traffic at the Celis home. Other neighbors have said they would see Serigo and Isa walking around in the neighborhood.

Now I know nothing about meth users but I have seen gobs of photos of them and Sergio and the entire family looks very fit and healthy.

IMO

I agree about the meth...they don't look like that type to me...but I've been wrong before...but I do think weed may be a possibility...but that doesn't normally lead to people violently killing someone...maybe falling asleep during the baseball game though.

 

[Prof]

But even Nancy said he use to live there. Did he ever put down their address as his address.

I honestly dont think he was there that night. Neighbors would have seen him coming in and out and no one has ever mentioned seeing him the night they came home from the ballgame or even confirmed it was JM that went to the neighbors door around 8.

When he was in the media it was much later in the day and evening.

imo

I file NG saying "a source" says Isa slept with her brothers usually, and the cousin used to live there as an easy way to have a bombshell to get the viewers in.

Who is this mystery source NG?

Who knows, maybe it's a website? :waitasec:

 

[GutFeeling!]

That is not SC's record. That is BC's

All of these records were discussed by many esteemed posters in the first few threads of this case. It's worth going back and reading if there is confusion.

Prof just called me esteemed :blowkiss:

:skip: You did right Prof? lol

 

[joedotnet]

NG was very careful not to name the criminal record of the cousin, as well as indicating anything with "concrete" facts that the cousin lived with the Celis'.

JM did state he was going to Arizona to visit family, and he may have stayed at the Celis' as well as other family members, but to say "he lived there" is a unrealistic stretch of a "unconfirmed" source.

Heck, JM has pictures of his Jeep in front of the Celis' home on 6/11/11 and also on a mountain road in Washington State on 6/11/11. :crazy:

Yeah, on his fb the dates of all of his pictures seem to come from the day he uploaded them...I can only confirm he moved to AZ from Washington at the end of 2010 based on a review he gave of the company that moved his car from WA to AZ. They apparently did a great job btw, he gave them a glowing review. Not that any of this is related to the case...but at least it appears JM had been in AZ a full 16 months or more before all of this happened.

 

[Patty G]

I file NG saying "a source" says Isa slept with her brothers usually, and the cousin used to live there as an easy way to have a bombshell to get the viewers in.

Who is this mystery source NG?

Who knows, maybe it's a website? :waitasec:

Oh, I was thinking the same thing. One of those "unreliable" websites, not even allowed here! :woohoo: :woohoo: