AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #17

[oceanblueeyes]

That 911 call was just hinky.

But I think the thing many of us are having a problem with is his calmness in the 911 call and then his over-dramatic interviews. It's like Jekyl and Hyde.

I am just the opposite. If I had seen one of those drama skits like I have heard before when Sergio made the 911 call my hinky meter would go way up.

In the 911 calls I have heard made by the actual perpretrator they are way over the top wth the dramatics because they are trying to get LE to believe they dont know a thing and its sooooooo traumatic (cough cough) when meanwhile.........they were found out later on to be the actual perpretrator all along.

IMO

 

[Lava]

See, and this is why I am confused. If it were me I would want to be where her things were, where she last was. When my son went missing at DisneyWorld, they had to drag me kicking and screaming to the park office, because I wanted to be where I last saw him. I still do not understand why they have not gone back to that house. At least BC and the boys anyways.

Also, about speaking to the media still. We haven't heard anything out of them anymore. Again, this is just me - but if there was only one story out there of a child that was returned by the public pleas of the parents, that would be enough for me to do it. One story would give me enough hope to at least try! But, again this is only me and MOO.

I wonder if it has something to do with the - rumored, speculated, brought up by a reporter - note. I'm still not clear of whether it was supposed to be handwritten by another person, or Isabel herself. Maybe it was sinister and somehow ruined the innocence of Isabels room, and the house itself, at least for RC. (Just speculation!)

I know when my mom died last year, all I wanted was to be around her stuff. It is actually harder now to look at her pictures and see her things, but when she had just died, those first few months those things gave me great comfort. I too wonder why RC hasn't returned to stay at the house.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Something dawned on me this morning. And, now it seems so obvious. Some of our posters here are firmly rooted in the belief that Sergio is innocent. One of those reasons that make up this belief could be: If he is involved, why wait until morning (6:30 am) to be talking outside or (possibly) removing the screen from the window. It would be too risky to be moving around in broad daylight when so many people are awake.

But, this then thought occurred to me. What if something happened to Isa during the night Speculation here could be anything from sexual abuse to punishment- and she later died from those injuries in the wee hours of the morning?

Sergio could then go in to wake her up and Uh-Oh, now what. He would have no alternative other than to dump the body, provide cover up and quick clean. This would also explain why he states he went in to wake her at 8 am instead of an earlier time. IIRC, her Little League game started at 8 so under normal circumstances, he would have gone in her room at a much earlier time.

Surely Isa would not have kept silent if she was in pain and Becky would have heard her moaning dont you think? And why would he do it while Becky and the boys were in the house and take a risk of them hearing something and getting up to investigate?

I dont think it was ever stated when her game started but that they didnt let her sleep in that day because she had a ballgame that morning.

IMO

 

[emeraldeyes85]

Morning sleuthers!

Did anyone read the comment section of this Huffpo article where someone comments that Isabel's passport is missing, the implication of the comment being that she was taken to Mexico.

Of course those are not always reliable I did find that interesting.

Article here, comments after article on page 2 near the end.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...hild-welfare-officials-arizona_n_1526158.html

 

[No Stone Unturned]

Check out the Huffington Post's article's comment section. Page 2 of comments.

 

[Patty G]

When I heard the reporter on the Today Show state that "SC answers were inconsistent", I thought, I never heard LE state that at all in the press conference and they didn't either.

Press conference:

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/category/179377/video-center?clipId=7285968&autostart=true

Today Show
http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/47473660#47473660

 

[liltexans]

Something dawned on me this morning. And, now it seems so obvious. Some of our posters here are firmly rooted in the belief that Sergio is innocent. One of those reasons that make up this belief could be: If he is involved, why wait until morning (6:30 am) to be talking outside or (possibly) removing the screen from the window. It would be too risky to be moving around in broad daylight when so many people are awake.

But, this then thought occurred to me. What if something happened to Isa during the night.. Speculation here could be anything from sexual abuse to punishment- and she later died from those injuries in the wee hours of the morning?

Sergio could then go in to wake her up and Uh-Oh, now what. He would have no alternative other than to dump the body, provide cover up and quick clean. This would also explain why he states he went in to wake her at 8 am instead of an earlier time. IIRC, her Little League game started at 8 so under normal circumstances, he would have gone in her room at a much earlier time.

I think I read that Isabel's game was going to start at 9 am. The locals have indicated the ball park isn't too far from the Celis' home either. IIRC it was less than a 20 minute drive from their home to the ball park.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I wonder if it has something to do with the - rumored, speculated, brought up by a reporter - note. I'm still not clear of whether it was supposed to be handwritten by another person, or Isabel herself. Maybe it was sinister and somehow ruined the innocence of Isabels room, and the house itself, at least for RC. (Just speculation!)

I know when my mom died last year, all I wanted was to be around her stuff. It is actually harder now to look at her pictures and see her things, but when she had just died, those first few months those things gave me great comfort. I too wonder why RC hasn't returned to stay at the house.

I dont think so. Sergio had already said that Isa wrote on their walls in crayon everywhere. Our four daughters when they were Isa's age did too and now our granddaughters are paying them back by doing the same thing at their home. LOL!

I just think Becky cant go back to the place when she knows Isa isnt there. Isa's bedroom is sitting empty now. I can understand the reluctance to go back with Isa being missing now.

I do think she and the boys will return one day though but for now I think they are staying with someone who can help Becky out with the boys since Becky has returned to work.

IMO

 

[Lava]

I dont think so. Sergio had already said that Isa wrote on their walls in crayon everywhere. Our four daughter when they were Isa's age did too and now our granddaughters are paying them back by doing the same thing at their home. LOL!

I just think Becky cant go back to the place when she knows Isa isnt there. Isa's bedroom is sitting empty now. I can understand the reluctance to go back with Isa being missing now.

I do think she and the boys will return one day though but for now I think they are staying with someone who can help Becky out with the boys since Becky has returned to work.

IMO

I think the reporter described the wall writing as a "note"...not general kid writing. There is a reason the reporter brought it up, and a reason the Sgt said at the presser they will not confirm any evidence. Until we hear otherwise I will just file it as a speculated note.

 

[Eileen730]

I understand what you're saying....as I said, I'm not saying he's innocent of anything (not saying he's guilty, either), but the laughing during the 911 call keeps getting brought up (and in this case, it may be a legitimate cause for alarm). I was just pointing out that some people (myself included) have been known to laugh at things that aren't funny, due to stress. (Just providing another perspective).

LOL i know what your saying!
That nervous giggle.....

This man tho is one cool cucumber!

Oh BTW a little girl is missing!!!!
Not OMG my daughter is missing.

First thought is abducted! that to me screams this was what he had planned on saying!!!!!!

 

[Lava]

Morning sleuthers!

Did anyone read the comment section of this Huffpo article where someone comments that Isabel's passport is missing, the implication of the comment being that she was taken to Mexico.

Of course those are not always reliable I did find that interesting.

Article here, comments after article on page 2 near the end.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...hild-welfare-officials-arizona_n_1526158.html

Saw this last night, for now its on the back burner. At this point though, anything is possible.

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

I'm STILL not gettin the whole "braid hair" thing, either.

So it's 10:30pm...dad asks Isa if she wants something to eat...IIRC. She supposedly says she's "tired"...maybe she had something at the game. Sometimes there's concession stands, no?? Showers, no food she's tired...too much info....DETAILS.

Maybe I'm going out of succession here, but, again, IIRC correctly, didn't they say Isa was last seen around 11 pm?

So, she's "tired", too tired too eat <- MY assumption - which, BTW, I'd be beat as well at that time...not quite the party girl I used to be when 11 was the time I was just going OUT to the clubs.

But, yet, mom's "braiding her hair" in 4 or 2 or ponytails sticking outta her head, as she's trying to describe to 911. IMO, AGAIN, too much info...DETAILS.

I keep going back to coming home at 10:30pm with a 6 yo. And then wake up at 8 for a baseball game.

I KNOW families do diff things in diff ways, BUT, since mom had to get up early for work, and Isa's 6, why not leave at an earlier time, before the game is over?? It doesn't seem a big thing to me to leave before the games done...again, that's me.
I would think it's safe to say, the coach has to go early to get things done before the game, no?? Wouldn't they take 2 cars...or did Isa and mom sit thru THAT, too??? Maybe Isa played in the park during that time, though.

I honestly think he ran a "tight ship". The comment he made about the boys and school...getting back to their regimen, or some other word that seemed "authoritarian".
The 911 call...I told her to "get her butt home". IMO, maybe a violent temper??? Maybe Isa didn't want to get up for her game?


So, now I'm gonna go where even NG didn't dare go. Maybe Isa was locked in her closet as punishment?? She doodled on the walls when she was in there??? (Sorry, just read this morning about the grandparents who baracaded their grandaughter for years in a bathroom.)
There HAD to be some other reason a crime scene "psychologist" went to that home to "look at the layout".....PLEASE, correct me if my memory is off...do NOT want to start any rumor/supposition that takes on a life of it's own.

All, as always, IMO.

 

[Eileen730]

I think the reporter described the wall writing as a "note"...not general kid writing. There is a reason the reporter brought it up, and a reason the Sgt said at the presser they will not confirm any evidence. Until we hear otherwise I will just file it as a speculated note.

Someone on NG last night kind of described the as disturbing pictures.

 

[LisaB]

In there last interview that I just watched, Sergio and Becky said that they had the house cleaned because LE left behind so many chemicals while testing for evidence that they didn't want it to be dangerous for the boys.

I had a 3 year old when we had our house fire. Our carpets were REALLY stained from all the spills and steam cleaning helped for a while, but the stains kept reappearing. We had the typical little handprints on the walls and it was all really dated. Our kitchen floor was peeling and we had mismatched cabinets. Our washer and dryer were out of date and the dryer took hours to dry things. There was kid clutter and books, and the house was really small, so it was always a mess. When the house was returned after the fire, it had new paint and new carpet and smelled new. We got a new stacked washer/dryer, new kitchen cabinets, built in shelving for books and toys and lots of other "upgrades" we would not have done on our own. I had been one of those people reluctant to let anyone inside the door, but afterward, because someone ELSE cleaned it and fixed it, it looked good and I was able to let my daughter start having playdates. I know the chemicals were the official reason for the cleaning (at Celis'), but if they have to repaint walls, or scrub them down, this will eliminate fingerprints, marks, etc. that are unrelated to Isabel's disappearance.

 

[Eileen730]

I'm STILL not gettin the whole "braid hair" thing, either.

So it's 10:30pm...dad asks Isa if she wants something to eat...IIRC. She supposedly says she's "tired"...maybe she had something at the game. Sometimes there's concession stands, no?? Showers, no food she's tired...too much info....DETAILS.

Maybe I'm going out of succession here, but, again, IIRC correctly, didn't they say Isa was last seen around 11 pm?

So, she's "tired", too tired too eat <- MY assumption - which, BTW, I'd be beat as well at that time...not quite the party girl I used to be when 11 was the time I was just going OUT to the clubs.

But, yet, mom's "braiding her hair" in 4 or 2 or ponytails sticking outta her head, as she's trying to describe to 911. IMO, AGAIN, too much info...DETAILS.

I keep going back to coming home at 10:30pm with a 6 yo. And then wake up at 8 for a baseball game.

I KNOW families do diff things in diff ways, BUT, since mom had to get up early for work, and Isa's 6, why not leave at an earlier time, before the game is over?? It doesn't seem a big thing to me to leave before the games done...again, that's me.
I would think it's safe to say, the coach has to go early to get things done before the game, no?? Wouldn't they take 2 cars...or did Isa and mom sit thru THAT, too??? Maybe Isa played in the park during that time, though.

I honestly think he ran a "tight ship". The comment he made about the boys and school...getting back to their regimen, or some other word that seemed "authoritarian".
The 911 call...I told her to "get her butt home". IMO, maybe a violent temper??? Maybe Isa didn't want to get up for her game?


So, now I'm gonna go where even NG didn't dare go. Maybe Isa was locked in her closet as punishment?? She doodled on the walls when she was in there??? (Sorry, just read this morning about the grandparents who baracaded their grandaughter for years in a bathroom.)
There HAD to be some other reason a crime scene "psychologist" went to that home to "look at the layout".....PLEASE, correct me if my memory is off...do NOT want to start any rumor/supposition that takes on a life of it's own.

All, as always, IMO.

I said the same thing why was she in her closet?

 

[prima.facie]

I just watched the Today Show (anyone else?) and they said NBC was told that the previous visits by CPS had "nothing to do with Isa."

I dont think the Today Show has transcripts, sorry....I tried to rewind so I could stop/play/stop/play to get the exact wording, but I accidently hit the wrong button losing my place. grrrr.

Anyone on the West Coast maybe tune in so you can catch it....it came (their coverage) just after the bottom of the first hour of the Today Show

 

[Anita Richman]

BBM

In addition, from my observation, kids wear their little league uniforms directly to the game . . they don't get there and change. SO, if as people here have speculated, Isabel was wearing "tomorrow's clothes" to bed, I think Mom at least would have said she was wearing her uniform, or whatever it was that they wore for the games. To me, what she wore that day and what she wore to bed, and if they are the SAME outfit, is highly significant. Wish we know what she had on that day.

That may be why LE was searching for video tape of Isa at the baseball game. They wanted independent confirmation about what she was wearing.

 

[No Stone Unturned]

To be honest, I have been completely on the fence during this case and trying my best not to root for one side or the other, but instead to parse out any and all possibilities.

However, the HuffPo was a game changer for me. It makes the most sense. It explains the no contact agreement. It explains 911 demeanor.

 

[Lava]

I'm STILL not gettin the whole "braid hair" thing, either.

So it's 10:30pm...dad asks Isa if she wants something to eat...IIRC. She supposedly says she's "tired"...maybe she had something at the game. Sometimes there's concession stands, no?? Showers, no food she's tired...too much info....DETAILS.

Maybe I'm going out of succession here, but, again, IIRC correctly, didn't they say Isa was last seen around 11 pm?

So, she's "tired", too tired too eat <- MY assumption - which, BTW, I'd be beat as well at that time...not quite the party girl I used to be when 11 was the time I was just going OUT to the clubs.

But, yet, mom's "braiding her hair" in 4 or 2 or ponytails sticking outta her head, as she's trying to describe to 911. IMO, AGAIN, too much info...DETAILS.

I keep going back to coming home at 10:30pm with a 6 yo. And then wake up at 8 for a baseball game.

I KNOW families do diff things in diff ways, BUT, since mom had to get up early for work, and Isa's 6, why not leave at an earlier time, before the game is over?? It doesn't seem a big thing to me to leave before the games done...again, that's me.
I would think it's safe to say, the coach has to go early to get things done before the game, no?? Wouldn't they take 2 cars...or did Isa and mom sit thru THAT, too??? Maybe Isa played in the park during that time, though.

I honestly think he ran a "tight ship". The comment he made about the boys and school...getting back to their regimen, or some other word that seemed "authoritarian".
The 911 call...I told her to "get her butt home". IMO, maybe a violent temper??? Maybe Isa didn't want to get up for her game?


So, now I'm gonna go where even NG didn't dare go. Maybe Isa was locked in her closet as punishment?? She doodled on the walls when she was in there??? (Sorry, just read this morning about the grandparents who baracaded their grandaughter for years in a bathroom.)
There HAD to be some other reason a crime scene "psychologist" went to that home to "look at the layout".....PLEASE, correct me if my memory is off...do NOT want to start any rumor/supposition that takes on a life of it's own.

All, as always, IMO.

My whole childhood I was a cheerleader, my brother played football, and my dad coached. We lived at that field weekdays and weekends. It isn't unusual for games (especially baseball!) to go late, and generally leaving early isn't a good idea. The kids put a lot into those games, to leave without getting to finish is bad for their team spirit. I think in all my years there I don't remember ANYONE leaving early - especially since it isn't a school night. We were taught we needed to support our team, and that is what we did. (And Sergio is a coach, how can he leave them??)


About the braids...I bet RC wanted Isabels braids to be done for the game the next day, but knew she had to go to work. Not unusual at all to do them the night before.

 

[LisaB]

:waitasec:

I'm confused.

Let me see if I can recap this latest piece of info. There is a video out there somewhere that shows an explosion near the Celis home during the night in question and also during the time frame that she went missing?


Do we have confirmation that is was on the right date, right street, right time?

Do we have confirmation that is was a transformer blowing out (as someone suggested)?


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This begs the question, what does this mean for our case? Would their house or security system (if they have one) lost power?

I know the neighbor says she used her phone to determine what time she heard the voices outside. The biggest POTENTIAL change I see would be if she had actually checked an alarm clock without a bettery backup that had stopped during a power outage and restarted when power was restored. When the family came to the door, she may THEN have checked her phone, and just thinks the events happened hours apart instead of minutes because she dozed off briefly. MOO